Ange1 vs Munchkin

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sentinelmain377

There is no way y'all are saying Munchkin > Ange1 for ALL TIME bro the fuck???

2020: Ange1 > Munchkin

FIRST STRIKE: Ange1 > Munchkin
Ange1 Top 4 First Strike EU (tier 1 region)
Munchkin lost First Strike Korea (tier 2 region)

2021: Ange1 > Munchkin

STAGE 1: Ange1 > Munchkin
Ange1 Top 4 Masters 1 2021 EU
Munchkin Top 1 Masters 1 2021 JP (tier 6 region)

STAGE 2: Ange1 > Munchkin
Ange1 Top 6 EU
Munchkin given charity slot to Reykjavik 2021 (JAPAN tier 6 region) - didnt win a game

STAGE 3: Ange1 > Munchkin
Ange1 Top 10 EU
Munchkin given charity slot to Berlin 2021 (JAPAN tier 6 region) - won a game against Havan Liberty ☠️☠️

CHAMPIONS: Munchkin > Ange1
Ange1 Top 12 EU
Munchkin given charity slot to Champs 2021 (JAPAN tier 6 region) - didnt win a game

2022: Ange1 > Munchkin

STAGE 1: Ange1 > Munchkin
Ange1 Top 1 EU, Top 3 World Minimum (if not top 1)
Munchkin didnt even attend event despite being from charity slot region ☠️

STAGE 2: Ange1 > Munchkin
Ange1 Top 1 EU, Top 1 IN THE WORLD
Munchkin didnt even attend event despite being from charity slot region ☠️

CHAMPIONS: Ange1 > Munchkin
Ange1 Top 1 EU, Top 4 IN THE WORLD
Munchkin didnt even attend event despite being from charity slot region ☠️

2023: Ange1 > Munchkin

LOCK//IN: Ange1 > Munchkin
Ange1 Top 4 LOCK//IN
Munchkin 17th-32nd LOCK//IN

STAGE 1: Munchkin > Ange1
Ange1 11th-12th Tokyo
Munchkin 9th-10th Tokyo

CHAMPIONS: Ange1 > Munchkin
Ange1 9th-12th Champs 2023 (very impressive showing against LOUD and DRX (3rd and 5th place teams of the event))
Munchkin 9th-12th Champs 2023 (only beat CN team - free group)

2024: Munchkin > Ange1

KICKOFF: Munchkin > Ange1
Munchkin 2nd at Madrid
Ange1 (NAVI looks good) not at Madrid

STAGE 1: Munchkin > Ange1
Munchkin 1st at Shanghai
Ange1 (NAVI looks good, but fkd by format) not at Shanghai

STAGE 2/CHAMPIONS: Munchkin > Ange1
Munchkin at Champions 2024
Ange1 (NAVI looks ass) not at Champions 2024

TLDR:
Munchkin is a great IGL, but he is not better than Ange1 YET for the all time success/performance.
Top 5 all time is:
Boaster, Saadhak, FNS, Ange1, Boostio
(yes, Im putting Ange1 > Boostio now since I have reconsidered my previous top 5 using the logic I used above)

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who’s actually compared ange1 to munchkin?

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Btwfan

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munchkin overrated, he will be exposed at champs

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ButterflyEffect23

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nah

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Jihyeok

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ANGE1 not even at Champs 😭🙏

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Btwfan

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this isn't about ange1

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Cu55Ku55_______

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BRO IS FUCKING DELUSIONAL

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paci0

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If anything munchkin is UNDERRATED bruh best fragging igl

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Btwfan

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yeah, which takes a toll on his calling

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hellfire

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kingg? 😭

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catNmouse

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i see people talk about kingg more than munchkin

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paci0

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Lol kingg doesn't even have half the success munchkin has had in calling in internationals

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Aayan

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im fine with ange1 > munckin (for now)

but idk Boostio's success is sort of short term. Ofc champs is a huge achievement, but I just need to see it over a longer term internationally, idk I would value someone like stax more, who's shown consistent success at the international level

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The difference with Boostio is that he won champs with a team and then moved to a new team with 4 new players and was able to revitalize that team up to being the best team in Americas for a short time

Being able to do it with two teams MEGA boots stats for IGLs/coaches

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LeCat

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IMo if we are comparing all time records munchkin>boostio (slightly)

Both have 1 trophy and 1 2nd place. But Munchkin makes have like 7 appearances while boostio have 4. Granted NA is harder than KR and is not even close to JP, but he was never close to qualifying in NA before 2023 iirc

Boostio finish top 4 once, but Munchkin won a regional title, those two are about equal imo.

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finnwithtwons

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2024 meta is fraudulent compared to 2023 meta for callers, boostio > munchkin

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egann

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ange1 can't even face munchkin at champs 😂

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ASTEROIDCHILD

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brother will be in 2026 with munchkin gapping angel saying it doesn't matter because of 2020 first strike

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sentinelmain377

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no i wont lmao.
im just waiting to see one more year of success for Munchkin in which Ange1 is also worse

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AutismCanBeCured

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Ange1 won't even be playing professional valorant next year so unless munchkin just goes missing entirely, he's got it locked

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Yuh_aye

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Ange1 loses this this just on the account of trolling his team's roles and wasting an entire year of Cned's career

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Diebs

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munchkin clears ange0

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masterX

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comparing individual performances based on team achievements is stupid.

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sentinelmain377

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Ange1 still wins in terms of individual performance.
He has been able to igl top teams in 3 different metas (Astra Viper 2021, Chamber 2022, Viper Skye 2023)

while Munchkin only good in 2024 (in the flash initiator ohio flash neon stun ohio meta)

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sheahhhh

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ange1 is mid bruh

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Yuh_aye

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Since when was Navi a top team of 2023 😂😂😂

Munchkin is on the cusp of igling the greatest team ever while we wouldn't even be talking about Ange1 if PRX didn't play Fade on breeze.

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mngueki

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Stop comparing the early years when the game was just released. Now, everyone knows the game much better. You can see a big gap between Ange1 and every other good IGL right now. NaVi now in EMEA weak as fk. This guy's career is already over.

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bronzil_enjoyer

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navi dickrider back at it again

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ayamgeprek1

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dickrider goes crazy

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KClaw

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Bro ange1 has been good for a long time here so obviously he will be better , munchkin is good as well but he will be more better with time

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catNmouse

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sentinelmain377 with his navi glazing #300

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7whanzussjwbsysbbejskaoao

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NAVI LET VIT QUALIFY FOR CHAMPS LMFAO