Does Japan deserves 2 spots in franchise?

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chocoinmytacos

In terms of competitiveness, I would say no. But Rito needs those passionate Japanese fans and that money from them, so they have no choice but to keep those 2 teams in franchising.

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no

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Mortadelo

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Yes but they probably need to expand out of 100% Japan players

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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They just need better management

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cyk

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who cares competitiveness, its all about fanbase and brand

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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Esports is just business( marketing) at the end of the day

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USCK

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Exactly riot couldn’t give a shit who won as long as they brought in viewers

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ShuGo

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They legit do not deserve 2 spots

They only have them cause of their viewership, however.

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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No shit, 30k viewers even when zeta is at its lowest point. Even without zeta they would at least be around 10-12k , and the same goes for tier 2
( im only talking about youtube). As riot you wouldn't want to lose that kind of fanbase

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AutismCanBeCured

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Damn, I imagined Japanese viewership to be higher, even individual Finnish players get 10k viewers on their pro teams games

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Nakao

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tbf it was higher before franchising, VCT JP had one of the highest averages from all VCTs, alongside with VCT Turkey, Brazil and NA.

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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The numbers can fluctuate. Teams like fennel will get you around 20k . Murash at 40-60k and riddle at around 40k ( cmiiw). Regardless, if we count apac as a whole jp has a huge proportion.

Now I have a hard time counting on my head because I always missed twitch or youtube side of things 😅

Mb don't trust my numbers , but I can guarantee you it's huge. The point is some team has clout while others don't 😅

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yes

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i think indo deserve 2 tbh imo ngl xoxo

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nvm, BOOM will win Ascension and buy out Kush, so we'll have a stacked Indonesian roster and smash RRQ. If we don't win Ascension, our players will separate again into other APAC teams.

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BOOM will win Ascension

Stop dreaming my brotha, you guys got smashed by tiktok raze

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Greyash

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Even bleed that destroy boom is in shambles right now. Boom ? Can't even make it into grand final ascension getting cocky yourself.

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straybullet

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Deserve cuz their economy power? Val isn't cs buddy
I wouldn't be surprised if Aespa will appear at the 2024 Champions and XG - Undefeated (VCT Pac official song) are from Japan :D

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KaedeTsuneta

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absolutely not

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swerdog

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The Japanese fanbase is pretty big, so yes? Also it isn't like there aren't a good amount of talented Japanese players, they are just simply incapable of decent strats/coaching

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hell nah and neither does china

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Does China deserve 10 spots in franchising

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munestar

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they havent experienced a lot of intl competition but i think they'll be good later on.. just look at how bad tier 1 games looked a few yrs ago

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KOMPOSTO

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sure theyll get better but they are the only country in the world that has 10 spots

NA has like 5, SA has like 5, Turkey has 2, Korea has 2 etc etc

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MadMusketeer

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China has a massive population and insane viewership. In terms of population, that ratio to those other countries seems about right for a country of well over a billion people with a large esports scene (India has a similarly big population but lower viewership/revenue).
According to this article from 2022, China's total esports revenue is greater than the rest of Asia combined; from that perspective, China having its own league makes perfect sense; there's enough of a market to support it, and it worked for League with the LPL.
Also, Korea has 3 teams (DRX, GENG, T1).

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ShuGo

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Yes they do if you have a brain and want money 😂

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pugz

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yes

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yes, they have avery big and loyal fan base, + pacific isn’t that strong yet, also, these japanese teams still easily farm apac tier 2