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Does Japan deserves 2 spots in franchise?

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#1
chocoinmytacos

In terms of competitiveness, I would say no. But Rito needs those passionate Japanese fans and that money from them, so they have no choice but to keep those 2 teams in franchising.

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no

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Mortadelo
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Yes but they probably need to expand out of 100% Japan players

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IonlywatchvcjXD
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They just need better management

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cyk
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who cares competitiveness, its all about fanbase and brand

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ShuGo
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They legit do not deserve 2 spots

They only have them cause of their viewership, however.

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IonlywatchvcjXD
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cyk [#5]

who cares competitiveness, its all about fanbase and brand

Esports is just business( marketing) at the end of the day

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bronzil_enjoyer
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yes

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sleeek
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i think indo deserve 2 tbh imo ngl xoxo

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IonlywatchvcjXD
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ShuGo [#6]

They legit do not deserve 2 spots

They only have them cause of their viewership, however.

No shit, 30k viewers even when zeta is at its lowest point. Even without zeta they would at least be around 10-12k , and the same goes for tier 2
( im only talking about youtube). As riot you wouldn't want to lose that kind of fanbase

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straybullet
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Deserve cuz their economy power? Val isn't cs buddy
I wouldn't be surprised if Aespa will appear at the 2024 Champions and XG - Undefeated (VCT Pac official song) are from Japan :D

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sleeek [#9]

i think indo deserve 2 tbh imo ngl xoxo

nvm, BOOM will win Ascension and buy out Kush, so we'll have a stacked Indonesian roster and smash RRQ. If we don't win Ascension, our players will separate again into other APAC teams.

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USCK
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cyk [#5]

who cares competitiveness, its all about fanbase and brand

Exactly riot couldnโ€™t give a shit who won as long as they brought in viewers

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KaedeTsuneta
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absolutely not

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KaedeTsuneta
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Gatzk [#12]

nvm, BOOM will win Ascension and buy out Kush, so we'll have a stacked Indonesian roster and smash RRQ. If we don't win Ascension, our players will separate again into other APAC teams.

BOOM will win Ascension

Stop dreaming my brotha, you guys got smashed by tiktok raze

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Gatzk [#12]

nvm, BOOM will win Ascension and buy out Kush, so we'll have a stacked Indonesian roster and smash RRQ. If we don't win Ascension, our players will separate again into other APAC teams.

Even bleed that destroy boom is in shambles right now. Boom ? Can't even make it into grand final ascension getting cocky yourself.

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AutismCanBeCured
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IonlywatchvcjXD [#10]

No shit, 30k viewers even when zeta is at its lowest point. Even without zeta they would at least be around 10-12k , and the same goes for tier 2
( im only talking about youtube). As riot you wouldn't want to lose that kind of fanbase

Damn, I imagined Japanese viewership to be higher, even individual Finnish players get 10k viewers on their pro teams games

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AutismCanBeCured [#17]

Damn, I imagined Japanese viewership to be higher, even individual Finnish players get 10k viewers on their pro teams games

tbf it was higher before franchising, VCT JP had one of the highest averages from all VCTs, alongside with VCT Turkey, Brazil and NA.

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The Japanese fanbase is pretty big, so yes? Also it isn't like there aren't a good amount of talented Japanese players, they are just simply incapable of decent strats/coaching

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SAMPV6
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hell nah and neither does china

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KOMPOSTO
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Does China deserve 10 spots in franchising

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IonlywatchvcjXD
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AutismCanBeCured [#17]

Damn, I imagined Japanese viewership to be higher, even individual Finnish players get 10k viewers on their pro teams games

The numbers can fluctuate. Teams like fennel will get you around 20k . Murash at 40-60k and riddle at around 40k ( cmiiw). Regardless, if we count apac as a whole jp has a huge proportion.

Now I have a hard time counting on my head because I always missed twitch or youtube side of things ๐Ÿ˜…

Mb don't trust my numbers , but I can guarantee you it's huge. The point is some team has clout while others don't ๐Ÿ˜…

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KOMPOSTO [#21]

Does China deserve 10 spots in franchising

they havent experienced a lot of intl competition but i think they'll be good later on.. just look at how bad tier 1 games looked a few yrs ago

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KOMPOSTO [#21]

Does China deserve 10 spots in franchising

Yes they do if you have a brain and want money ๐Ÿ˜‚

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munestar [#23]

they havent experienced a lot of intl competition but i think they'll be good later on.. just look at how bad tier 1 games looked a few yrs ago

sure theyll get better but they are the only country in the world that has 10 spots

NA has like 5, SA has like 5, Turkey has 2, Korea has 2 etc etc

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pugz
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yes

#27
merciless-pity8989-89
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yes, they have avery big and loyal fan base, + pacific isnโ€™t that strong yet, also, these japanese teams still easily farm apac tier 2

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KOMPOSTO [#25]

sure theyll get better but they are the only country in the world that has 10 spots

NA has like 5, SA has like 5, Turkey has 2, Korea has 2 etc etc

China has a massive population and insane viewership. In terms of population, that ratio to those other countries seems about right for a country of well over a billion people with a large esports scene (India has a similarly big population but lower viewership/revenue).
According to this article from 2022, China's total esports revenue is greater than the rest of Asia combined; from that perspective, China having its own league makes perfect sense; there's enough of a market to support it, and it worked for League with the LPL.
Also, Korea has 3 teams (DRX, GENG, T1).

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