Are TH actually good?

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DuD5K1S

The only teams TH have beaten:

Fnatic, FPX, FUT, Na'Vi, KC, TL, and DRG

Aside from Fnatic and FPX, these are not good teams
Teams TH have lost to:

BBL, VITALITY, G2, KC, PRX, Fnatic, and Sentinels

The only reason they made it to playoffs, is because they beat 2 CN teams
Are they fraudulent?

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Fpx was evenly matched with geng + heretics are missing their best player

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DuD5K1S

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They lost to BBL and Vitality with their full team

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Ok ?

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Mozzarellas

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And 100t lost to sen who couldnt even make playoffs

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Psion

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sen is much better than Vit or bbl lol

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Mozzarellas

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Not in their current form lol

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Psion

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by "is" i mean today
you seriously think they'd still be burnt-out today? after taking a 2 week vacation and a month since the last official.
if I'm forced to bet today im picking SEN vs both those teams

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Mozzarellas

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Why does "today" matter and not the exact time that they lost?

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Psion

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do you want to go by when 100T lost to SEN? that was madrid SEN still, they weren't burntout yet and were still the #1 team itw.

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Mozzarellas

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So they werent burnout from madrid but they got instsntly burned out after a random gsme vs 100t 🤣 ok bro

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Psion

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there were 2 weeks between the end of madrid and the start of stage 1,they almost certainly had a few off days in that time that gave them enough energy to not get burned out until after the 100t match.....

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no wo0t btw

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Siigma777

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so did half of their group...

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youssef714

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wo0t didnt play against bbl and vit

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Mortadelo

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No they did not wtf

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DuD5K1S

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Caught

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there was no wo0t

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beaver_man

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I thought woot was their best player? 😭 you guys change up the story every other post

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Mozzarellas

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Wo0t being the best player was cope for their loss at madrid, miniboo proved at madrid that he's their best player

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wo0t is just as good as miniboo, same narrative in both cases

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Lyy

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no, watch gameplay :)

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Pretty good yeah

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dort

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emea has to overrate their teams to cope for placing last in Madrid

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FrogGrenade

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This is cope, heretics are clearly good

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dort

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name one top team Heretics beat

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RNGlim

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fnc twice 2-0?

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dort

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i said top team not washed team

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TM06Nick

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Flair

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ErCharlie

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NRG fan lmao

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hellfire

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cove harbor sam booo booo

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are you retarded? kkkkkkkkkkk

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Cookierookie577

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half of the matches you named off were in the group stage of EMEA stage 1 when they didn't have wo0t, and literally every game was with a sub aside from FNATIC

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dort

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and what has TH achieved with wo0t? please elaborate

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uwukitten

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when does NRG play?

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Cookierookie577

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they made grands in Stage 1 when he was put in the lineup (they were 1-2 in groups without him btw)

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dort

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they also lost to G2 with him on the lineup

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Cookierookie577

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hence why I said every game aside from the FNATIC one was played with a sub aka
paTiTek

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dort

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12 games played with the roster but yeah lets keep using the "sub" excuse

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Cookierookie577

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bro stop coping i'm from NA they obviously play better with their full roster, not shit you would. It's a cohesion and firepower thing. even though paTiTek plays good enough hes still not as good as miniboo. There's a reason why they were 1-2 in groups in stage 1

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dort

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they couldnt even get past fnatic with their entire roster, how are they gonna get past any top americas or apac teams?

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Cookierookie577

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Is Fnatic supposed to be super bad? Fnatic in form is one of the best teams in the world. There's no way you think that g2 or LEV is better than Fnatic

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dort

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100t > prx > geng > g2 > lev > fnc > th

continue thread →

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abhaudk

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The same that NRG with his "Super Team"

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TooCaution_Heartless

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woot carry this team
fpx should be there

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Mortadelo

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They've currently only lost 1 game with their full roster and that was the finals against FNC that they shouldn't have choked

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Cookierookie577

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they were flawless in playoffs until grands

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Mortadelo

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should have been a 3-0

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TooCaution_Heartless

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fnatic should be elimanated in group stage
weakest EU team btw

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Mortadelo

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I believe they would have lost their first playoff game to NAVI, that being said they grew into themselves through the run and are now probably the best EMEA team until TH gets their full roster back

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TooCaution_Heartless

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On the other hand, Navi played very poorly

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Mortadelo

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Nah, literally beat FNC one week before, and then played TH who were the best at the time. They were fucked by the format

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beral

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Emea in stage 1 was so messy every team had potential/chance to beat other team.
Also, in both masters they attended without their full roster and made it playoffs. They made the matches close with a SUB (not disrespecting Patitek but he is still a sub).
This does not make them fraudulent instead I think they are decent.
Have a nice day.

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TooCaution_Heartless

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lol u mean NA
EU ain't potential allat

#49

beral

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I said during STAGE 1. This means during EMEA STAGE 1. This also means that TEAMS ARE IN EMEA STAGE 1. Examples of teams that in emea stage 1 such as fnc, th, fut, navi, kc, tl, bbl, koi, m80, vit, gx. So, there is no NA team in stage 1 emea? Right? Therefore, emea teams didn’t have a chance to face against any NA teams because in emea stage 1 there is ONLY emea teams. I talked about their potential to beat other emea teams

I don’t understand why did you try to bring NA into this conversation.
Hope this will help you.
Just have a day.

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SEA iq once again

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beaver_man

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No

#51

DuD5K1S

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simple as

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Na'Vi and FUT are good, yes TH is good, they played well against PRX and SEN which could've easily gone either way. G2 are just better than most people think. Vitality and BBL are also not that awful.

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TM06Nick

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The only thing this thread taught me is user dort has no clue what they are talking about and should be ignored

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StutterSt3p

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Yeah, TH is good, it's kind of hard to argue that. As much as I like to hate on EMEA, TH is insane at incorporating their players. Each iteration of TH this year has been good, which is crazy. That being said, I think they still struggle a little with the mental aspect of the game. We'll see, but I feel like they'll crumble against other good teams if they get behind.

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i JUST WONDER WHAT MORE DAMAGE CAN THEY DO IF MINIBOO WAS PLAYING THEY WOULD BE A VERY VERSATILE TEAM LIKE THE EARLY OPTIC DAYS WHEN EVERY PLAYER CAN JUGGLE ANY AGENT IF THEY WANT TO

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DuD5K1S

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What happened to loud being the best Valorant team?

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hellfire

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what does that have to do with anything

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DuD5K1S

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Its their name :P

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TH is the only non-fraudulent team outside of FNATIC in EMEA this year. They've clearly been able to prove themselves at being able to contend with top teams internationally (almost beat Sentinels & PRX at Madrid) and are a clear tier above every other team in their region apart from FNATIC. EMEA is quite the sleeper region but don't lie to yourself and say that Heretics aren't good even with a stand-in