region ranking everyone on VLR should agree on

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sentinelmain377

2021: EMEA > AMERICAS > PACIFIC
2022: AMERICAS = EMEA > PACIFIC
2023: AMERICAS > EMEA > PACIFIC
2024 so far: AMERICAS > PACIFIC > EMEA

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asscific finally managed to overcome a region congrats asscific

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W for assific

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i'd say americas > emea in 2022 EMEA didn't even have a team in top 3 twice that year

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Reykjavik 2022 should not be included for arguing that "EMEA didnt have any other top 3". FPX could not attend because of war and FNC had 2 subs. If someone wants to use the "G2 (EU) being 2nd seed and getting 5th/6th" argument, OPTIC was 2nd seed from NA for both Reykjavik 2022 and Copenhagen 2022, and they ended up being the highest placing team from NA in all events.
EMEA shit on AMERICAS in Copenhagen 2022. FPX > OPTIC, GUILD > OPTIC.
Rest of NA was so bad compared to OPTIC until XSET finally performed at Champs 2022. SA was literally only LOUD being good, who flopped at Copenhagen 2022.
EMEA Top 6: FPX, FNC, TL, M3C, GLD, G2(EU) >>>> AMERICAS Top 6: OPTC = LOUD, XSET, 100T, TGRD, KRU

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and? shit happens. If it happens in the future to americas im not gonna make this dumbass fucking excuse.
head to head really does not matter for who had a better year lol, and also it was 8-10 (and 8-6 if you discount KRU)
sure, the rest of NA was bad, but its not like optic was unfalliable, they lost to Xset, Guard, Version 1, Rise, and EG. The bigger cause was that we sent rookies straight to playoffs twice
sure, inspite of this I'd still say Americas getting 2 trophies between 2 teams including winning the year by winning champions gives them the edge

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doesnt matter if it happens to Americas or not. but it changes up the stats and we dont know if FPX would have won Reykjavik 2022 or if maybe Gambit wouldve still been the best team in the world if war didnt happen
fine mb. h2h point was dum
FPX lost to FNC thrice, OGLU, and Acend in 2022. idk how this point matters cuz some games dont matter too much.
we dont know if FPX wouldve won Reykjavik 2022 or not

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G2 got sixth, FPX were not 3 spots at an international event better than G2 to make top 3, or 5 spots better to win the event
I'm saying the rest of NA wasn't THAT bad compared to Optic, NA was just full of young and inexperienced teams that saw them suffer internationally compared to domestically
Refer to #1

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FPX was way better than G2. Like you can only know if you watched Valorant/EMEA at the time.
ok, ig.
#1?

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Psion

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i watched the games back then lol, i've been watching since before first strike, Paper rex beat G2 harder than FPX did
(FPX won 55.6% of rounds, PRX beat G2 winning 60.5% of rounds

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idk why round % matters

but this makes FPX look better
FPX > PRX (who shit on G2, making the gap between FPX and G2 larger) >>> G2

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Psion

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because it was a bo5 vs a bo3 we can't directly compare, so I used round win%
like even theoretically if FPX > PRX
thats still 4th
they weren't beating zeta on their miracle run

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the way you argue is bullshit: just look at this:
https://www.vlr.gg/85523/g2-esports-vs-zeta-division-valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k-ubqf

also, ZETA wouldnt even have the miracle run if not for FNC having 2 subs lol... u might be baiting

If war didnt happen, GMB and FPX would prob both be in Reykjavik 2022 and they wouldve taken FAT shits on OPTC and LOUD in that event

continue thread →

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agreed, Optic and Loud may have been the 2 best teams of the year but the gap between them and the rest of the teams in their regions was huge. EMEA while not having the same peak, did not of the America's lows.

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it most certainly did, it just had more teams in the middle

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sentinelmain377

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it didnt
even BIG and Fokus were good teams (unlike today's emea lows), but idk if u watched their games or not

emea also had bangers like these, which sadly emea doesnt have anymore:
https://www.vlr.gg/79075/fnatic-vs-m3-champions-champions-tour-stage-1-emea-challengers-ubsf

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Psion

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are we forgetting papara supermassive? 0-5 1-10 on maps -51 rounds?

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well..., ig they are an outlier (the only)

but they didnt qual for stage 2
and stage 2 of 2022 in EMEA was so good

but some NA teams were way worse bro, let alone BR or LATAM teams (excluding LOUD LEV & KRU) at the time

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which team did worse compared to them?? what?

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Psion

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NA was relatively similar at stage 2, the bottom of Group A was TSM (beat 100T who made champs which shows parity) and TGRD (literally #1 seed of stage1)
and group B was close with C9 being positive on rounds yet going 2-3 and SEN had to have rawkus sub for sick, and they won their only map in the 1 series sick played

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sentinelmain377

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LDN UTD (OGLU) beat FPX (EU) who also went on to win Copenhagen

ur point on TSM beating 100T is stupid

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Psion

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are you ok? my point was that they were similar in regional leagues, and you countered that by showing a similarity?

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2023 was a fairly even year, 2 EMEA wins, 1 NA win and 1 Pacific GF like always.

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2021: EMEA > AMERICAS > PACIFIC
2022: AMERICAS > EMEA > PACIFIC
2023: EMEA > AMERICAS > PACIFIC
2024 so far: AMERICAS > PACIFIC > EMEA
2024 end of year (pred): EMEA = AMERCIAS > PACIFIC

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vro is high on copium

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You're usually so real...

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this year so far americas = pacific is arguable

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Psion

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nah NRG at kickoff > any PAC team at kickoff besides PRX and GenG

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T1 at kickoff > any Amer team at kickoff besides Sen

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Psion

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good joke lmfaooo #12 is from apac and agrees with me so stop this delusion

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sen > geng
prx > loud

top 4 at madrid was even between NA and apac.

But 3rd best NA which is NRG/LOUD is better than drx.

but mid of the pack team like rrq is better than americas mid of the pack like g2.

but the worse 2 apac teams are not better than the worse 2 NA teams (although this one is not clear and could change)

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Why is this guy suddenly active on VLR again? I saw four of his threads already. mod check?

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CowboySG

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Top 4 Finishes/Number of Slots at ITL events

In 2021
7/10 EMEA
4/18 Americas
1/13 APAC

In 2022
5/17 Americas
4/13 APAC
3/8 EMEA
0/1 China

In 2023
7/17 Americas
4/19 EMEA
3/19 APAC
0/7 China

In 2024 so far
2/2 Americas
2/2 Pacific
0/2 EMEA
0/2 China

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sentinelmain377

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W mans
Before franchising
EMEA had a total of 19(20 if you include FPX being absent at Reykjavik 2022) slots
AMERICAS had a total of 35 slots

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I didn't include FPX or Bren Esports for obvious reasons.

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sentinelmain377

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fix:

In 2022
3/9 EMEA* (u missed a slot)

In 2023
3/17 APAC*

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2021 had Iceland TenZ how tf is Americas not top that year too 💀

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bronzil_enjoyer

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yeah fr

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Sentinels Players :

johnQT : Morroco ( EMEA )
Zekken : Flipino ( APAC )

40% of your team is not even of your region and EMEA has always been dominating region , whereas Americas always have different team winning.

0 consistency in American team

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sentinelmain377

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W
I agree bro
NA is ass
EMEA > ALLLLLL

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Tony_persov

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i wont call them ass , but all there wins are merely fluke
No wonder no single team is dominant in NA

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PP12123213123

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Tenz and Zellsis both have ancestry from the EMEA lol

No real Na in sentinel

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Every American ( includes South & north America ) has ancestry from europe , they live on stolen land and dead bodies of native americans

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Americas has been the strongest Region since 2022

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sentinelmain377

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since Champs 22 * / end of the year ish

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Psion

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Americas looked stronger at their respective LCQ's, obviously it didn't workout like that at champs bc 100T got the group of death

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sentinelmain377

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how tf did u spawn in
as soon as i comment

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Psion

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i have 3 monitors and 1 of them is open while i watch MEMEA so i just have vlr open lmao