2021: EMEA > AMERICAS > PACIFIC
2022: AMERICAS = EMEA > PACIFIC
2023: AMERICAS > EMEA > PACIFIC
2024 so far: AMERICAS > PACIFIC > EMEA
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Psion [#3]i'd say americas > emea in 2022 EMEA didn't even have a team in top 3 twice that year
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Reykjavik 2022 should not be included for arguing that "EMEA didnt have any other top 3". FPX could not attend because of war and FNC had 2 subs. If someone wants to use the "G2 (EU) being 2nd seed and getting 5th/6th" argument, OPTIC was 2nd seed from NA for both Reykjavik 2022 and Copenhagen 2022, and they ended up being the highest placing team from NA in all events.
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EMEA shit on AMERICAS in Copenhagen 2022. FPX > OPTIC, GUILD > OPTIC.
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Rest of NA was so bad compared to OPTIC until XSET finally performed at Champs 2022. SA was literally only LOUD being good, who flopped at Copenhagen 2022.
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EMEA Top 6: FPX, FNC, TL, M3C, GLD, G2(EU) >>>> AMERICAS Top 6: OPTC = LOUD, XSET, 100T, TGRD, KRU
sentinelmain377 [#6]
Reykjavik 2022 should not be included for arguing that "EMEA didnt have any other top 3". FPX could not attend because of war and FNC had 2 subs. If someone wants to use the "G2 (EU) being 2nd seed and getting 5th/6th" argument, OPTIC was 2nd seed from NA for both Reykjavik 2022 and Copenhagen 2022, and they ended up being the highest placing team from NA in all events.
EMEA shit on AMERICAS in Copenhagen 2022. FPX > OPTIC, GUILD > OPTIC.
Rest of NA was so bad compared to OPTIC until XSET finally performed at Champs 2022. SA was literally only LOUD being good, who flopped at Copenhagen 2022.
EMEA Top 6: FPX, FNC, TL, M3C, GLD, G2(EU) >>>> AMERICAS Top 6: OPTC = LOUD, XSET, 100T, TGRD, KRU
- and? shit happens. If it happens in the future to americas im not gonna make this dumbass fucking excuse.
- head to head really does not matter for who had a better year lol, and also it was 8-10 (and 8-6 if you discount KRU)
- sure, the rest of NA was bad, but its not like optic was unfalliable, they lost to Xset, Guard, Version 1, Rise, and EG. The bigger cause was that we sent rookies straight to playoffs twice
- sure, inspite of this I'd still say Americas getting 2 trophies between 2 teams including winning the year by winning champions gives them the edge
number2_cNed_fan [#7]2021: EMEA > AMERICAS > PACIFIC
2022: AMERICAS > EMEA > PACIFIC
2023: EMEA > AMERICAS > PACIFIC
2024 so far: AMERICAS > PACIFIC > EMEA
2024 end of year (pred): EMEA = AMERCIAS > PACIFIC
vro is high on copium
FireII [#10]this year so far americas = pacific is arguable
nah NRG at kickoff > any PAC team at kickoff besides PRX and GenG
FireII [#10]this year so far americas = pacific is arguable
sen > geng
prx > loud
top 4 at madrid was even between NA and apac.
But 3rd best NA which is NRG/LOUD is better than drx.
but mid of the pack team like rrq is better than americas mid of the pack like g2.
but the worse 2 apac teams are not better than the worse 2 NA teams (although this one is not clear and could change)
sentinelmain377 [#6]
Reykjavik 2022 should not be included for arguing that "EMEA didnt have any other top 3". FPX could not attend because of war and FNC had 2 subs. If someone wants to use the "G2 (EU) being 2nd seed and getting 5th/6th" argument, OPTIC was 2nd seed from NA for both Reykjavik 2022 and Copenhagen 2022, and they ended up being the highest placing team from NA in all events.
EMEA shit on AMERICAS in Copenhagen 2022. FPX > OPTIC, GUILD > OPTIC.
Rest of NA was so bad compared to OPTIC until XSET finally performed at Champs 2022. SA was literally only LOUD being good, who flopped at Copenhagen 2022.
EMEA Top 6: FPX, FNC, TL, M3C, GLD, G2(EU) >>>> AMERICAS Top 6: OPTC = LOUD, XSET, 100T, TGRD, KRU
agreed, Optic and Loud may have been the 2 best teams of the year but the gap between them and the rest of the teams in their regions was huge. EMEA while not having the same peak, did not of the America's lows.
Psion [#8]
- and? shit happens. If it happens in the future to americas im not gonna make this dumbass fucking excuse.
- head to head really does not matter for who had a better year lol, and also it was 8-10 (and 8-6 if you discount KRU)
- sure, the rest of NA was bad, but its not like optic was unfalliable, they lost to Xset, Guard, Version 1, Rise, and EG. The bigger cause was that we sent rookies straight to playoffs twice
- sure, inspite of this I'd still say Americas getting 2 trophies between 2 teams including winning the year by winning champions gives them the edge
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doesnt matter if it happens to Americas or not. but it changes up the stats and we dont know if FPX would have won Reykjavik 2022 or if maybe Gambit wouldve still been the best team in the world if war didnt happen
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fine mb. h2h point was dum
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FPX lost to FNC thrice, OGLU, and Acend in 2022. idk how this point matters cuz some games dont matter too much.
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we dont know if FPX wouldve won Reykjavik 2022 or not
Rodu [#13]agreed, Optic and Loud may have been the 2 best teams of the year but the gap between them and the rest of the teams in their regions was huge. EMEA while not having the same peak, did not of the America's lows.
it most certainly did, it just had more teams in the middle
Psion [#15]it most certainly did, it just had more teams in the middle
it didnt
even BIG and Fokus were good teams (unlike today's emea lows), but idk if u watched their games or not
emea also had bangers like these, which sadly emea doesnt have anymore:
https://www.vlr.gg/79075/fnatic-vs-m3-champions-champions-tour-stage-1-emea-challengers-ubsf
sentinelmain377 [#14]
doesnt matter if it happens to Americas or not. but it changes up the stats and we dont know if FPX would have won Reykjavik 2022 or if maybe Gambit wouldve still been the best team in the world if war didnt happen
fine mb. h2h point was dum
FPX lost to FNC thrice, OGLU, and Acend in 2022. idk how this point matters cuz some games dont matter too much.
we dont know if FPX wouldve won Reykjavik 2022 or not
- G2 got sixth, FPX were not 3 spots at an international event better than G2 to make top 3, or 5 spots better to win the event
- I'm saying the rest of NA wasn't THAT bad compared to Optic, NA was just full of young and inexperienced teams that saw them suffer internationally compared to domestically
- Refer to #1
sentinelmain377 [#16]it didnt
even BIG and Fokus were good teams (unlike today's emea lows), but idk if u watched their games or notemea also had bangers like these, which sadly emea doesnt have anymore:
https://www.vlr.gg/79075/fnatic-vs-m3-champions-champions-tour-stage-1-emea-challengers-ubsf
are we forgetting papara supermassive? 0-5 1-10 on maps -51 rounds?
Psion [#19]are we forgetting papara supermassive? 0-5 1-10 on maps -51 rounds?
well..., ig they are an outlier (the only)
but they didnt qual for stage 2
and stage 2 of 2022 in EMEA was so good
but some NA teams were way worse bro, let alone BR or LATAM teams (excluding LOUD LEV & KRU) at the time
sentinelmain377 [#20]well..., ig they are an outlier (the only)
but they didnt qual for stage 2
and stage 2 of 2022 in EMEA was so goodbut some NA teams were way worse bro, let alone BR or LATAM teams (excluding LOUD LEV & KRU) at the time
which team did worse compared to them?? what?
Psion [#18]
- G2 got sixth, FPX were not 3 spots at an international event better than G2 to make top 3, or 5 spots better to win the event
- I'm saying the rest of NA wasn't THAT bad compared to Optic, NA was just full of young and inexperienced teams that saw them suffer internationally compared to domestically
- Refer to #1
- FPX was way better than G2. Like you can only know if you watched Valorant/EMEA at the time.
- ok, ig.
- #1?
sentinelmain377 [#20]well..., ig they are an outlier (the only)
but they didnt qual for stage 2
and stage 2 of 2022 in EMEA was so goodbut some NA teams were way worse bro, let alone BR or LATAM teams (excluding LOUD LEV & KRU) at the time
NA was relatively similar at stage 2, the bottom of Group A was TSM (beat 100T who made champs which shows parity) and TGRD (literally #1 seed of stage1)
and group B was close with C9 being positive on rounds yet going 2-3 and SEN had to have rawkus sub for sick, and they won their only map in the 1 series sick played
sentinelmain377 [#23]
- FPX was way better than G2. Like you can only know if you watched Valorant/EMEA at the time.
- ok, ig.
- #1?
i watched the games back then lol, i've been watching since before first strike, Paper rex beat G2 harder than FPX did
(FPX won 55.6% of rounds, PRX beat G2 winning 60.5% of rounds
CowboySG [#22]Top 4 Finishes/Number of Slots at ITL events
In 2021
7/10 EMEA
4/18 Americas
1/13 APACIn 2022
5/17 Americas
4/13 APAC
3/8 EMEA
0/1 ChinaIn 2023
7/17 Americas
4/19 EMEA
3/19 APAC
0/7 ChinaIn 2024 so far
2/2 Americas
2/2 Pacific
0/2 EMEA
0/2 China
W mans
Before franchising
EMEA had a total of 19(20 if you include FPX being absent at Reykjavik 2022) slots
AMERICAS had a total of 35 slots
sentinelmain377 [#26]W mans
Before franchising
EMEA had a total of 19(20 if you include FPX being absent at Reykjavik 2022) slots
AMERICAS had a total of 35 slots
I didn't include FPX or Bren Esports for obvious reasons.
CowboySG [#22]Top 4 Finishes/Number of Slots at ITL events
In 2021
7/10 EMEA
4/18 Americas
1/13 APACIn 2022
5/17 Americas
4/13 APAC
3/8 EMEA
0/1 ChinaIn 2023
7/17 Americas
4/19 EMEA
3/19 APAC
0/7 ChinaIn 2024 so far
2/2 Americas
2/2 Pacific
0/2 EMEA
0/2 China
fix:
In 2022
3/9 EMEA* (u missed a slot)
In 2023
3/17 APAC*
Psion [#25]i watched the games back then lol, i've been watching since before first strike, Paper rex beat G2 harder than FPX did
(FPX won 55.6% of rounds, PRX beat G2 winning 60.5% of rounds
idk why round % matters
but this makes FPX look better
FPX > PRX (who shit on G2, making the gap between FPX and G2 larger) >>> G2
number2_cNed_fan [#7]2021: EMEA > AMERICAS > PACIFIC
2022: AMERICAS > EMEA > PACIFIC
2023: EMEA > AMERICAS > PACIFIC
2024 so far: AMERICAS > PACIFIC > EMEA
2024 end of year (pred): EMEA = AMERCIAS > PACIFIC
You're usually so real...
sentinelmain377 [#29]idk why round % matters
but this makes FPX look better
FPX > PRX (who shit on G2, making the gap between FPX and G2 larger) >>> G2
because it was a bo5 vs a bo3 we can't directly compare, so I used round win%
like even theoretically if FPX > PRX
thats still 4th
they weren't beating zeta on their miracle run
Psion [#31]because it was a bo5 vs a bo3 we can't directly compare, so I used round win%
like even theoretically if FPX > PRX
thats still 4th
they weren't beating zeta on their miracle run
the way you argue is bullshit: just look at this:
https://www.vlr.gg/85523/g2-esports-vs-zeta-division-valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k-ubqf
also, ZETA wouldnt even have the miracle run if not for FNC having 2 subs lol... u might be baiting
If war didnt happen, GMB and FPX would prob both be in Reykjavik 2022 and they wouldve taken FAT shits on OPTC and LOUD in that event
sentinelmain377 [#32]the way you argue is bullshit: just look at this:
https://www.vlr.gg/85523/g2-esports-vs-zeta-division-valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k-ubqfalso, ZETA wouldnt even have the miracle run if not for FNC having 2 subs lol... u might be baiting
If war didnt happen, GMB and FPX would prob both be in Reykjavik 2022 and they wouldve taken FAT shits on OPTC and LOUD in that event
LMFAOOO u brought up an upper bracket match to argue against a LOWER bracket run. Holy fucking shit
Psion [#33]LMFAOOO u brought up an upper bracket match to argue against a LOWER bracket run. Holy fucking shit
bro idgaf
Zeta run was nice, even during the time, I wanted them to win the event
but EMEA = AMERICAS in 2022 and its brainded to argue AMERICAS > EMEA in that year.
sentinelmain377 [#34]bro idgaf
Zeta run was nice, even during the time, I wanted them to win the event
but EMEA = AMERICAS in 2022 and its brainded to argue AMERICAS > EMEA in that year.
i genuinely don't understand how you can look at what DID happen, not what "Could've or should've" happened and say 1 event win + 1 4th place = 2 1st places, 1 3rd place
Psion [#35]i genuinely don't understand how you can look at what DID happen, not what "Could've or should've" happened and say 1 event win + 1 4th place = 2 1st places, 1 3rd place
i just dont include reykjavik 2022 when I compare EMEA's performance to other regions
i compare Americas and Asia at Reykjavik 2022, Copenhagen 2022, and Champs 22 with EMEA in Stage 1 EMEA, Copenhagen 2022, and Champs 22
sentinelmain377 [#36]i just dont include reykjavik 2022 when I compare EMEA's performance to other regions
i compare Americas and Asia at Reykjavik 2022, Copenhagen 2022, and Champs 22 with EMEA in Stage 1 EMEA, Copenhagen 2022, and Champs 22
even remove reykjavik
1st, 2nd, and 3rd > 1st and 4th
Psion [#37]even remove reykjavik
1st, 2nd, and 3rd > 1st and 4th
OPTIC didnt deserve 3rd in Copenhagen -
(beat dogshit mess of XSET while looking like mess themselves and beat 5th/6th cursed DRX)
real Copenhagen placement:
- FPX
- PRX
- GUILD (Shit on Optic in groups and got 1st seed, unlucky matches in playoffs tho and only lost to the finalists of the event: PRX and FPX, who OPTC also only lost to but Optic played worse against both of them compared to Guild)
- OPTIC
- FNC
- DRX
- LEV
- XSET
anyways: FPX > OPTIC during Reykjavik and Copenhagen time
also FPX couldve gotten 1st in Reykjavik 2022 soo:
FPX: 1st?, 1st, 4th > OPTC: 2nd?, 3rd, 2nd
sentinelmain377 [#38]OPTIC didnt deserve 3rd in Copenhagen -
(beat dogshit mess of XSET while looking like mess themselves and beat 5th/6th cursed DRX)real Copenhagen placement:
- FPX
- PRX
- GUILD (Shit on Optic in groups and got 1st seed, unlucky matches in playoffs tho and only lost to the finalists of the event: PRX and FPX, who OPTC also only lost to but Optic played worse against both of them compared to Guild)
- OPTIC
- FNC
- DRX
- LEV
- XSET
anyways: FPX > OPTIC during Reykjavik and Copenhagen time
also FPX couldve gotten 1st in Reykjavik 2022 soo:
FPX: 1st?, 1st, 4th > OPTC: 2nd?, 3rd, 2nd
Literally does not matter if they deserved it or not, I can argue LOUD still deserved top 4 because KRU and optic were the only teams that could beat them (which remained true through all of 2022)
Psion [#11]nah NRG at kickoff > any PAC team at kickoff besides PRX and GenG
T1 at kickoff > any Amer team at kickoff besides Sen
Arm4jay [#40]T1 at kickoff > any Amer team at kickoff besides Sen
good joke lmfaooo #12 is from apac and agrees with me so stop this delusion
Tony_persov [#44]Sentinels Players :
johnQT : Morroco ( EMEA )
Zekken : Flipino ( APAC )40% of your team is not even of your region and EMEA has always been dominating region , whereas Americas always have different team winning.
0 consistency in American team
W
I agree bro
NA is ass
EMEA > ALLLLLL
sentinelmain377 [#45]W
I agree bro
NA is ass
EMEA > ALLLLLL
i wont call them ass , but all there wins are merely fluke
No wonder no single team is dominant in NA
Psion [#24]NA was relatively similar at stage 2, the bottom of Group A was TSM (beat 100T who made champs which shows parity) and TGRD (literally #1 seed of stage1)
and group B was close with C9 being positive on rounds yet going 2-3 and SEN had to have rawkus sub for sick, and they won their only map in the 1 series sick played
LDN UTD (OGLU) beat FPX (EU) who also went on to win Copenhagen
ur point on TSM beating 100T is stupid
Tony_persov [#44]Sentinels Players :
johnQT : Morroco ( EMEA )
Zekken : Flipino ( APAC )40% of your team is not even of your region and EMEA has always been dominating region , whereas Americas always have different team winning.
0 consistency in American team
Tenz and Zellsis both have ancestry from the EMEA lol
No real Na in sentinel
sentinelmain377 [#47]LDN UTD (OGLU) beat FPX (EU) who also went on to win Copenhagen
ur point on TSM beating 100T is stupid
are you ok? my point was that they were similar in regional leagues, and you countered that by showing a similarity?
PP12123213123 [#48]Tenz and Zellsis both have ancestry from the EMEA lol
No real Na in sentinel
Every American ( includes South & north America ) has ancestry from europe , they live on stolen land and dead bodies of native americans
ShuGo [#50]Americas has been the strongest Region since 2022
since Champs 22 * / end of the year ish
sentinelmain377 [#52]since Champs 22 * / end of the year ish
Americas looked stronger at their respective LCQ's, obviously it didn't workout like that at champs bc 100T got the group of death
Psion [#53]Americas looked stronger at their respective LCQ's, obviously it didn't workout like that at champs bc 100T got the group of death
how tf did u spawn in
as soon as i comment
sentinelmain377 [#54]how tf did u spawn in
as soon as i comment
i have 3 monitors and 1 of them is open while i watch MEMEA so i just have vlr open lmao
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