The team from the upper bracket has an insane advantage going into a veto, essentially banning the opponent's two best maps. That is fucked, ngl. Maybe I am biased because Sentinels is coming from lower, but had it been PRX, I still would have been mad. This needs a change.
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Why is that insanity? The better team will win regardless of the maps that's what it takes to be a world champion. That's why lower bracket runs are so looked up upon, because they're genuinely hard and impressive and when someone accomplishes it it should be celebrated.
That's how it goes in sports man. The one thing I don't like is the 1 day turnover which gives the upper bracket team a rest day where the lower bracket team just played the prior day. Sometimes its a double edged sword but typically it forces the lower bracket team to go through a grueling schedule and disadvantage to win the tournament.
It is what it is tho, Sen still gonna win cause they're the better team
A two-map ban not enough???
They get an extra day to prac
They get an extra map ban
They get the first pick
The upper team indeed deserve an advantage, but that advantage should be something other than a guaranteed win for them. And the argument that Sen should beat them twice since it's double elim is just not it.
guaranteed win LMFAOOOO go check what happened to paper rex... TWICE... then come back
(edit just saw a comment saying upper finals winners have only won twice to lower bracket winners winning four times... please write out the words guaranteed win again for me)
"just not it" go look at what every other serious competition that uses double elim brackets does and let us know what you find out you're going to find a very consistent trend
lmfao one extra day of prac like they haven't practiced every day for the last 3 months at least. they haven't lost, whoever they play in final has. first pick is very minimal advantage. upper team either needs an very good advantage or they need to have to lose twice, i'm fine with the bans, i think its enough, but anything less than that is troll otherwise teams could lose and save strats if they were confident against lower final team and not be out anything in final
I mean you deserve a huge advantage for winning through uppers, usually in games that don't take 4 hours for a bo5 the team from lowers straight up has to win twice. My issue with double map ban is that how good it is really depends on how much the top 2 teams' map pools overlap, look at how effective it was in tokyo vs champs for example
its pretty fair tbh bc u should deserve a advantage for coming from upper bracket. most esports are single elim. the ones that r double elim make the upper bracket start 1-0. even with this advantage tho many times the team from lower bracket won ex fpx 3-2 prx at coppenhagen optic 3-0 loud at reykjavik
So if GenG loses one time at grand final, do they get a second chance like sentinels
This is not a legitimate argument. It doesn't matter if they lose or not. They made the upper final run. The same could be said in Kick off-tournament of Americas. EG and NRG won everything in the upper bracket of their group, but they lost their playoff game.
its honestly an underpowered advantage, every other team has the cushion of the double elim which the other team in the final has used to even get to the final in the first place, the team that goes through winners loses that opportunity
if you want true fairness then we should make things even stronger for the team that goes through winners by giving them a bracket reset like a lot of systems do, but valorant doesnt do that because it would take an obscene amount of time
Not really. If the Upper bracket finals winner has 0 advantage in grandfinal (e.g. 2 map vetos) they’ve pretty much gotten 0 advantages throughout the whole tournament.
It really just comes down to which team is better. I mean just look at grandfinal history in vct except for lock in, icelands 2021, and champs 2021. Envy had a map veto vs Gmb but still lost 3-0, Loud had two map vetos and got 3-0 by optic, Prx had two map vetos and still lost to fpx, Prx had 2 map vetos vs EG and still lost to EG.
Upper bracket finalists had only won two times vs lower bracket finalists
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