Angel on the Shoulder: Monyet

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Personally I have been critical of Monyet and his performances, but for the sake of sportmanship and just acknowledging the situation in general; Most teams change to fit their new player, this team had the new player change to fit the team.
I promise the amount of pros we all know, love, look up to, anything-are not capable of performing in a system that is made for other people. He has so much energy its so fun to watch him-its starting to feel like just beating a dead horse purely to make someone feel like shit. It'd be one thing if there were more arguments made saying he isnt statistically in the dumps but I dont see that.

Paper Rex ran raze all the time because jinggg is the goat. Their playstyle as a team developed around that potential. You can not fill those shoes.

I know I'm not changing human nature with this post; I just want people to think about how viciously the scene is going after a guy that nobody could TRULY replace. omg player do so bad must replace!!!! With who?

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also monyet gets baited, he is a bum but this makes him more trash, need to let him get his baits in too

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that's exactly what i thought.
they need to at least change how they play the game. don't change the w gaming, just change the comps for each map.
and no, mindfreak sova on breeze is not doing any shit.

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they just need to run f0rsaken on raze if needed and monyet on his comfort role tbh

quite an easy fix

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yea it looks really good but forsaken has become such an insane flexible player itd be funky working monyet into such varied agent picks. lots of reasons for and against that I can think of.

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do you think it would be viable to make moves like pushing mindfreak onto sentinel on certain maps? Cypher seems to be the only agent F0rsaken isn't goated on, and it seems like a sensible move to push mindfreak onto cypher, monyet on to omen, and have f0rsaken play the raze (on lotus). Honestly maybe you could even have a 1 for 1 swap and have monyet learn cypher?

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yea that takes direct knowledge of the team/environment/opinions which I don't have. Might feel good might not. might've already tried it. no idea. Monyet would have to learn alot of agents to not be the raze player and at that point they'd just drop him first (at least thats what Id assume).

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i like it on split and sunset. forsaken is frying on raze

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This is the best VLR post ive seen in a while. W mans

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ty ty <3

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also i don't see qck bait and hate thread as excessive as monyet.
even though qck performance is the same, if not worse, as monyet.

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qck is way better than monyet tf you on about x_x

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is the post above bearmans' post even yours??

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as i was saying

https://www.vlr.gg/320373/loud-hard-truth

i dont understand why monyet is the only scapegoat while there's another guy who have the same circumstances as him

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are you retarded? and why was that upvoted three times
qck is way better than midnyet bro shut the fuck up

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ur fakeflagger braindead so cancerous in this hellhole. go stick with your american and sen flairs

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im not even american
ur take was so retarded i had to defend my fellow countryman qck proven in a competitive league (americas) unlike midnyet who is yet to go plus in a series

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bump

monyet's treatment from the fans is so harsh despite achieving top 3. and its not like anything will get solved easily by kicking him. what if the new guy also need adjustment? what if the replacement also performs as bad?
there's a lot of ifs and yet they forgot the most important part. achieving top 3 is no easy feat. monyet did his part, not the best, but he tried his best! and fans gotta appreciate that.

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i actually thought he played well this tournament

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he seems like a great dude, insane vibes at least visually through the turmoils hes been going through. Im 25 and I have to give huge props to this guy's mentality at 18. he looked, BETTER but that consistency Jingg brought is a ways away.

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Some people just hate because this guy ugly and such trolling on stream (and then they don't like it)

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I find it incredibly ironic you call him ugly in less than 5 words after saying "people just hate" (unless you're saying that's what people say, in which I apologise if that's what you meant)

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welcome PRX Keznit

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Ange1 on the shoulder

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:P

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W

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its kind of normal now. If sen lost today or lose tomorrow it would have been -zekken -qt bla bla. If gg loses -lakia. Loud lost yesterday and it was -qck

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I don't and never did expect him to fill Jinggg's shoes because he shouldn't need to be, he just isn't comfortable on Raze that you've said yourself is a priority for PRX. We're treating this situation as if Monyet is the best solution to this problem when that just isn't true, there should be potentially many cracked duelists in the APAC Tier 2/3 scene that can shine with this given opportunity.

This issue is the exact same problem EG had at the start of 2023. Jawgemo didn't feel comfortable playing Jett even though EG felt like they needed to have one, so they benched what was their best player at the time for a Tier 3 Chamber star and look what happened.

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I agree with the sentiment more than the broken down example used. demon1 was know for exactly what eg wanted him to do within the region or scene at least.

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And who's to say that PRX can't find the player they need the same way though?

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Demon1 plays 1 role and that is "shoot people that are all explicitly in front of me(no spinny spinny entry shit)" which is at the opposite end of the spectrum from Jinggg: the player with the most fluid movement and dynamic usage of raze in the world on top of insane situational awareness and aim.

Im not trying to talk shit about Demon1 but the complexities of the 2 roles we're talking about here are not even close.

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dude I'm not asking PRX to get another Jinggg, I'm asking them to get someone who's just comfortable on Raze. also is that a copypasta or something, I mean come on dude that Jingg glaze is crazy, Demon1 is also the main entry on Jett so idk

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you know how diseases have strains? apply that to playing raze. hell apply that to playing reyna in ranked vs tier 1. A generic pro thats comfortable on raze does not get the same shit done that Raid Boss Jinggg would and its not just how mechanically skilled Jinggg is- its playstyle and speed to decision making. Monyet gets alot of false positives but we need to acknowledge how EVERYONE accepts Paper Rex playstyle is unique and insanely volatile/fast paced.

Demon1 played brim before he played raze lets be real here. I have nothing against the dude and I feel like my point doesn't need me to defend it.

edit: also you understand jett entry is smoke-dash into smoke- right?? it is the only duelist that you can make space without dying bc u cant turn fast enough PLUS the design of jett comps is to set that play up with as much util/targeted util as possible. Raze gets a flash or stun and goes WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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bro you're reallllly twisting up my words right now. I'm again saying that they do not need another Jinggg, PRX do not need another Raze player that can provide the kind of impact he brought, they just need a Raze player that is more comfortable and consistent playing the role than Monyet. Raze isn't some super insanely hard roll you're making it out to be, some people are just not comfortable on it whereas some are, it's why I brought up the Demon1 example because Jawgemo didn't feel comfortable playing Jett at the start of 2023 which is why Demon1 was even picked up in the first place.

Demon1 also never played Raze... idk what the last bit is about. If you believe that Raze is harder than Jett then that's cool I guess.

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Raze isn't some super insanely hard roll you're making it out to be

yes it is, especially when you play for paper rex

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And Jinggg is the only available person alive that can do it? You guys are so corny man

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Do it at a level that is satisfactory for paper rex's rabid fans? Yeah probably, maybe jawgemo could do it but honestly i dont even know if he could. Monyet IS filling that role, he is doing his job, double satcheling, playing like a loon, blasting people in the face, get blasted in the face. And guess what? He is getting shit on for it. People aren't just expecting monyet to hold W and entry for his team in one of the most chaotic teams on one of the hardest roles, they are also expecting him to drop a consistent 25/18/9 while he is at it. Genuinly Jinggg might be the ONLY guy capable of doing that night in night out.

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No u r the corny one buddy
That's so funny 🤣

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Bro said raze isn't some super insanely hard roll xDD

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yea this is not the argument I expected to have in this post

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Because your argument sums up to "Jinggg is the best and if PRX doesn't have Jinggg then they're gonna look bad no matter what" which is just dumb, they're top 3 even when Monyet has been consistently underperforming Raze, f0rsaken flexing on the role looks stronger than Monyet on top of that. Stop overrating him and the role itself and come to recognize that there are players out there who specializes in duelists that PRX can find themselves.

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Demon1 also never played Raze... idk what the last bit is about. If you believe that Raze is harder than Jett then that's cool I guess.

yea ik that was the point. he played smokes before another entry duelist.

As far as the rest, the reason I brought up disease strains as an analogy: 1 strain can be extremely commonplace and not really dangerous to contract, while another strain of the same disease can be fatal 100% of the time.

The things that Paper Rex are missing have nothing to do with base Raze gameplay. The end.

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Demon1 was a Jett player turned Chamber from 2021-2022 and was primarily Jett for EG once he joined the main roster, so that's cap

If you disagree with my points then that's cool then ig

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U can't said that with jett and chamber
Compared smoker and razeee brooooooo

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ok sorry, I didnt think about how that might look to 2nd lang speakers-Im saying, while playing jett for EG. Instead of putting him on Duelist-think fracture-they put him on brimstone because both Jaw is better at raze and Demon1 would have to also play extremely well in an entirely different playstyle.

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do you think that people are starting to overrate jinggg to put down monyet? The amount of people talking about jinggg like he would have shit on zekken and singlehandedly won them the series is kinda staggering. He was one of the greatest razes itw maybe the greatest, and he did things nobody else could do, but people are talking about him like the gap between him and monyet is as large as the gap between my silver ass and zekken.

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there's a huge gap. other prx members still not getting used to "no jing" just makes it look even bigger

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do you think that people are starting to overrate jinggg to put down monyet?

no

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W miniature once again

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regardless the player, at some point they need to change how they play.

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this. their current style will not make them yield an international win. they are too predictable and have weak midrounding and struggle against people whos mechanics are on par with them

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midyet sorry

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Honestly, "W gaming" plays against what has become the fundamentals in valorant.
It requires a constant high level of fire power and individual brilliance to make work at the highest level.
Jinggg being the spearhead to the style ,with his almost complete mastery of raze.

Trying to find the next jinggg is a near impossible task, there is not really anyone with experience that could replace him.

Monyet thrived it what was a more "western style" in Global Esports.
There's no doubt Monyet is incredibly talented but it feels like they are trying to use him like jinggg and not like monyet.

But it's hard to blame PRX when this style has kept them at the highest level for so long.
The style has become synonymous with paper rex, it has become their identity.

It's a tricky conundrum and there is no right answer.

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Is that not why Paper rex evolved into more of an aggressive hive mind who knew when to press W and who maximized firepower as opposed to just a regular team whose strategy was to bum rush their opponents every round?
Sure it requires extreme amounts of firepower but so does every playstyle in Valorant, and its not like a team with F0rsaken and something is ever going to be lacking firepower.
Monyet may not have displayed he can match Jinggg's firepower but he has displayed he can match his aggression to an extent. I think paper rex is adjusting to the tip of the spear not necessarily being the sharpest weapon in their arsenal. Something and F0rsaken are good enough on their own to keep W gaming potent, but they are also looking for Monyet to be a 3rd x factor in terms of fragging, when he seems much more suited to taking space and being a body to trade, kind of like victor just way less refined.

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Prx over the years have become more calculated with their aggressions, i agree.

The cases where Monyet is becoming more of a "traded body", i feel are instances of lack of synergy or wavelength with the rest of the team.
Some of those cases being moments where with Jinggg another player would be double swinging with him.

I still believe there are minor differences between Jinggg's raze aggression and monyet which over time cascade into bigger differences.

I dont know I just think the issues could be slowly fixed over time and the Monyet hate is being too forced.
People are just expecting Monyet to slot in perfectly to a team that plays a contrasting style to GE.

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W take honestly, can only come from someone who has been in the same shoes (in this case a pro player)

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drop in the ocean by comparison (as far as experience) but I feel like theres alot of context people don't really apply unless you're a competitor. Just trying to explain that a bit.

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overhating an 18 year old boy is too crazy, Most of the time I see the blame is personal, not the team. For those who hate monyet in PRX, try entering the PRX discord and talking to alecks directly and providing a list of player names equivalent to jinggg. it's better than spreading hate.

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We have a lot of online “coaches” and “analyst” 😝

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hahahaha real