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Hot take: Roles are less important than cohesion

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#1
zardinez

This is specifically for SEN ofc because that's all anyone talks about, but it applies in general as well.

I would much rather have 5 players with no defined roles and good cohesion over a team with perfect roles that can't play off each other. Tier 1 players can pick up new roles in months, and obviously there's some agent specific mistakes and uncomfortability that people love to make fun of newish players for, but that hardly matters if the player is hitting shots and fulfilling their role in general. If SEN play better with tenz on smokes and with zellsis on the team, that's a good indicator that zellsis brings a soft element that matters more than tenz's role comfortability.

#2
ct_fd_str
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agreed👍

#3
geospliced
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That's a fair take.

#4
Yistyy
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I disagree. Justice for pancada

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cartixuzi
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there's no right answer to this because for some teams, roles = cohesion. A team like FNC relies on their specific roles and strives because of it, meanwhile EG didn't fk with that and did their own thing which also worked for them. I do believe after seeing EG's success that we're gonna see changes on how the majority of teams view roles in the future, but for now though a lot of teams still rely on roles for cohesion, and its not like they're being "restricted" or whatever, its just what works the best for them.

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I kinda see EG have set roles except for certain maps like Split. You would expect c0m to go scan init, boostio kj, jawg a smoke or raze, ethan on flash init and demon1 on jett or on astra in split. I think the best example of flexibility and cohesion is PRX and Navi (although they did poorly, in 2023 they did have a good last tournament)

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cartixuzi
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no not really but i understand where youre coming from at least, like you wouldn't expect C0M to play Sova over Viper on a lot of maps and theres a few more that wouldnt fall into your set role criteria.

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Obsidian_Echo
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thats what i have been saying....people need to realise this sooner

#7
CoCloudy
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people getting mad at sentinels for putting tenz off breach is crazy to me knowing how good zellsis does in flash int roles

#13
aaannnddddd
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zellsis is really good at it but it seemed like they were developing him on the flash initiators and then suddenly started putting him on smokes on almost every map and also tenz just has a higher ceiling on flash agents than zellsis, we could see glimpses of it during the previous off season tournaments

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Vellor
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W take tbh

#9
TheLoque
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Also, i can imagine that when some team loses the game, their cohesion will be lowered slightly, regardless of roles

But i don't know anything, I'm just bsing here

#10
envyz
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this is a extremely good take. for example Team Liquid last year on Paper looked amazing beat FNATIC then fell off because they couldnt compete with teams who've been together longer and teams who were more experienced, in the case of SEN experienced team even Zekken had some experience playing at Champs losing to Leviatan, I think it was a mixture of roles being fried, Pancada's comms being very mid and they had no motivator with no chem, a player like Zellsis very high energy who's going to help build chemistry fast helps Zellsis took C9 to group stage a c9 team that on paper looked very mid IGL wise and with 2 new unknown players in Runi and Jakee, having a player whos going to be the glue, whos going to put a smile on and rally the team back when they're feeling down or depressed is needed in a shit ton of teams and in Valorant there's not a ton of people like that.

#11
Pengu12
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Good take, I just don’t like how they did pancada dirty

#12
Kevn
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There is a line. A given person must have a certain amount of familiarity with a role. It’s important to remember the famous of words of Bren. “You gonna get shot in the face, we gonna lose the round. It’s a gun game, it’s an fps.” “You get shot you die.”

#15
Schizophrenic_Brazil_Fan
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Release Pancada
Free my dawg

#16
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