FNC > EG | VLR.gg

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Bro EG isnt the team of the year, They never were, Fnatic has won 3 events this year where EG only won 1. It was literally most of the same teams as Masters and LOCK//IN but just because its called "Champions" its more of an achievement?

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Agreed

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Is the guy who said "EG > FNC" in this room with us

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Im right here lil bro

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fnatic choked when the lights shined brightest and eg went from expected bottom 10 of americas to an inspiring champions win. also fnatic won 2 events cuz redbull homegrounds shouldnt be even counted since its so meaningless

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yeah they won 2 major this year. and was consistent throughout the year. but they choked when it mattered most.

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fnatic fans trying to cope with them losing champions(not even top3) by acting like lock in mattered will never not be funny.

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Surely dominating throughout the whole year only losing in the last minute is not regarded as being the best team of the whole year. Some peoples retardism will never not be funny.

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by last minute do you mean not even making the loser bracket finals? you are acting like they lost in the grand finals after quadruple ot. they did not.

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Crazy cherry picking you got there, if they made loser bracket finals you wouldve said 'not even making the grand finals?🤓'

Give it up bro EG will never be the best team of 2023 there are too many points speaking against it

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beating up on a trash region like emea does not make you good. they only other team from that dog region that made playoff beat ONE team T1 who is also garbage. then they promptly lost every other map. fnc doesn't even podium in 50% of the actual lans. lock in is a joke tournament and rbhg(don't even know why this guy mentioned some trash off season tourny, serious cope by eu) is a joke tournament.

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Bud youre talking like EG dominated Americas league like Fnatic did 🤣🤣🤣

Fnatic went 9-0 in league

Meanwhile EG barely qualified on the likes of txozin knifing a 1T player XDDDD THEY WENT 4-5 IN THE LEAGUE AND GOT 13-0 BY LOUD

bro stop talking youre embarassing

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what is emabarassing is emea making all these excuses after all year saying how much better than everyone they were. you had more teams at champs than anyone. and only one of your teams could win a playoff map. sad really.

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CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer own you lil bro. Have the american education system failed once again? Can you read his points? Fnatic won lock in, only dropping 2 maps. So you agree that Fnatic was the best after lock in yeah? Than they go 9 - 0 only losing to Liquid in the finals. Eg goes 4 - 5 and comes third. So fnatic should still be better right? Than they dominate eg winning 5 -1 in maps vs them and win masters. Fnatic is still better. Yes eg won champs and they ended the year on top, but you are clowning on a top 4 finish by Fnatic. That is how high their standard is. Top 4 is bad. Just think about that for a second lil bro. Even Boosio admitted on stream that Fnatic was the better team. And that says alot when it comes from Boostio.

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never let bro cook

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Fnatic was the most dominant
Eg had the best story

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FNC undoubtedly team of the year for their consistent performance. But sometimes team of the year doesn't win championship. that's facts.

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W reply

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and especially for fnatic because winning 3 tournaments in a row is something just too tough. you cant avoid things like exhaustion and burnout

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burnout? these tournaments are like 4 months a part from each other. eu king of excuses.

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Champs was like 2 weekd apart from masters you subhuman mutt

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2 months you braindead fuck. thats 8 weekends moron.

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"break" doesn't mean they stop practicing. they still have to keep on scriming and give server time which is a tiresome work. Definitely there was burnout from fnatic players, plus their idea and playstyle were getting more countered in champs as there was lot of vods playing same maps and same comps

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january to august ~8 months 6 days a week, played every single match possible right until champs, thats burnout. eg got out early at lock in (and americas too )

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Same, i would have a team that has consistently performed throughout the year rather than a team that has one shot imo

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You mean fluke in and masters flukyo 😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹

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Actually looking back No, EG > FNC, Lock IN / Redbull - Mickey Mouse Tournament so they obviously dont count, and Champions > Masters therefore EG win, even if u say Champions = Masters, EG was 2nd place in Masters whereas Fnatic was 4th place, therefore EG wins Pog EG Team of the Year

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FNS clears both

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The consistent high level performances FNC had throughout the year simply puts them above EG.

EG are 100% the most improved team and deservedly won VCT champions 2023.

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You took the words out of my mouth. Well said!

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thats strange, eg has a second at masters and a champions win, while fnc has a masters win and a fourth place at champions. even your stats say eg is better. whatever makes you sleep better at night.

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FNC LOSSES IN 2023: 3

https://www.vlr.gg/248282/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr3
https://www.vlr.gg/248270/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-ubqf
https://www.vlr.gg/213198/fnatic-vs-team-liquid-champions-tour-2023-emea-league-gf

EG LOSSES IN 2023: 11

even your stats say eg is better.

I don't know what stats you are talking about because i've held the opinion that fnatic were the best team in 2023 for a while.
https://www.vlr.gg/268629/top-10-teams-of-2023

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also if we do maps, EG just falls down to hell.

fnatic not only didnt lose much, they probably lost only a bit more maps than eg lost series

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Fnatic map winrates were pretty nuts and very strong for almost the entire year.
Though they were a little bit inflated because some of those emea teams were trolling.

EG's map pool got really strong towards the end of the year.
In tokyo they had 3/4 really strong maps which helped them reach the final, for champs they expanded their pool and changed a few comps and strats up.

Fnatic map winrates 2023 VCT:

| MAP      | WIN% | TOTAL GAMES |
|----------|------|-------------|
| BIND     | 71%  | 7           |
| HAVEN    | 85%  | 13          |
| SPLIT    | 82%  | 11          |
| ASCENT   | 63%  | 8           |
| ICEBOX   | 100% | 5           |
| FRACTURE | 71%  | 7           |
| PEARL    | N/A  | 0           |
| LOTUS    | 87%  | 15          |

EG map winrates 2023 VCT:


| MAP      | WIN% | TOTAL GAMES |
|----------|------|-------------|
| BIND     | 50%  | 8           |
| HAVEN    | 29%  | 7           |
| SPLIT    | 38%  | 13          |
| ASCENT   | 73%  | 15          |
| ICEBOX   | 0%   | 1           |
| FRACTURE | 85%  | 13          |
| PEARL    | 58%  | 12          |
| LOTUS    | 56%  | 9           |

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sub 60 winrate is a bit surprising

especially split with 38% when they played 13 times

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i feel like if there's anyway u can defend eg being better with those stats, your just lying to yourself tbh

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since you cannot read, in the only 2 tournaments of the year that mattered eg finished 2nd/1st, while fnatic finished 1st/4th. incase you didn't know a second place at masters and a win in the most important tournament of the year, is better than a first place and fourth place. i thought you euro's were supposed to be smart.

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since u americans are hard hit by ur brains with the trash education u guys are getting, lemme simplify this
https://i.imgur.com/oHZHc9m.png
https://i.imgur.com/nZLDyOr.png
https://i.imgur.com/vUx9SYY.png
Single elim tournaments have much higher stakes since teams only have a single chance to prove themselves and absolutely play at their best form. Not to even mention, lock in had the greatest and the most insane final/match we have ever had in this game

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yea no seeding, riot literally saying they hand picked the matchups for entertainment, single elim and teams that are brand new is 100% not a mickey mouse tourny. you are totally right. clownworld. also if champions was single elim fnatic would have been out 5th-8th.

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"entertainment" esports is a fcking entertainment after all, didnt know shitmericans were running with these slow proccesing neurons of theirs.
"Hand picked matchups" ever heard of draws douchebag?
"teams that are brand new" u expect orgs to keep the same players before the season starts or even during off-season? Go back to doing ur hw 🗿
"if champions was single elim fnatic would have been out 5th-8th." and thats called Lock-in 🤓

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well actually it is a competition. they did not do draws for lock in they picked them. but again i hope you enjoy your time in clownworld where you clearly live.

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u thought draws were meant to be live-streamed all the time? it's mentioned in the competitive ruling that every tournament's brackets are done by draws and not by a certain independent party, whether its streamed or not.
"tHeY DiD NoT dO dRaWs" do u work for riot that u know this kind of information mister? 🗿

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they literally did draws, what are you on lil bro. stop creating your own realities

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cook that fraud

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zip it up when you are done

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blud included RBHG.

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Boostio literally said live that fnatic was a better team than them, anyone who thinks otherwise is clueless
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx4Fqg6ms5gTZrUT9CTpUK5pOwvrch-wdH?si=w5j_mLc6M4cBpozb

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the results say otherwise.

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yeah 3 trophies for fnatic

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cute How chokenatic fans defends their team

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fucking hell, not prx fans talking about choking

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i love prx but not the prx fans talking about choking...u guys lost GF twice.

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I sense a very big irony here 🗿

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Chokenatic while use PRX flair lmao. Can't be More braindead than this.

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fnatic had a peak this year which was better than any team ever in history of valorant, added to that is the fact that they won two trophies.

sliggy, one of the most knowledgable analysts literally said at the start of masters tokyo that they have been the best team in history of the game, and i think that should be enough to solidify that.

ask 100 analysts this question, and guaranteed 98/100 will say fnatic. the remaining 2 being sean gares and probably some other unapologetically biased NA analyst

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Er3ngenes1s

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Even Balla says that Fnatic performed better this year in plat chat so many times

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chokers only good in mickey mouse tourneys, EG clears

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Real Facts:

Demon1 Ethan > Alfajer > Leo > Derke > Chronicle > Boostio Jawgemo > Boaster > C0M

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Who won Champions 2023 and who didn't???

EG >>> FNC, this is simple

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EG had an average placement of 1.5 with their roster

They were the best team of the year

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symbols07

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? so lock in, americas and shit dont exist?

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EG’s current roster didn’t exist at Lock in

And domestic leagues are irrelevant

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you cant fairly compare if you are just going to be cherry picking.

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FNC was the best team this year fs, but IMO what EG did was more impressive.

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what subbing in a Russian and dominating ?

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Bro what? They went from barely getting into regional playoffs to winning Champs and placing second at a masters event. That's a crazy turnaround, no matter who's on that team.

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just coz a story is better doesnt make that achievement in itself greater. yeah, sure give them the sympathy story Cinderella bullshit award of the year for all i care

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It's really not about the story as cool as it is, it's simply just that to improve that much in that time span, is honestly ridiculous. Like are you biased or just dumb? FNC was dominant don't get me wrong, but IMO it's more impressive to make that leap from where EG was, to be not just a contending team, but a winning team. FNC was just good from the get-go, and honestly, they choked when it mattered most anyway, but you know who didn't choke, EG.

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every person on FNC are all from different countries who cares

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Shitmea fans cope thread

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Shitmericans cry thread

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fact

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yup but lulmerica think they r the best , eg winning cause lower bracket exist lmao

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Bro is counting red bull homeground and fluke in 💀💀💀💀

EG is the best, champs is what matters the most. You can't choke worlds and still be the "best team of the year".

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The only difference between Champs and Tokyo was prize pool.

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They ain't gettin' this shit. Evil Genius (Cum, Jawgemo, Semen1, Boostio and ethan) is the top dog team in the world right now, even if I ain't feelin' that personally. Peep the LockIn finals again; Saadhak, Less, and Aspas didn't give a shit 'bout losin that final, and their early exit from the Masters didn't faze 'em either. They wanted to keep their A-game for the Champions, 'cause they know that's All. I don't even remember who won last year's Masters, and nobody gives a shit, but I do remember the past Champions. Your shitty league, your Masters, and all that shit are just warmups for the ultimate showdown (CHAMPIONS). If you roll up with the "best team" of the year and "probably in history" and you CHOCKE and lose twice to the team from that final (even though LOUD wasn't on point and had internal issues), then you don't deserve to be called the best team of the year. EG was steady learnin' from their mistakes, took a 13-0 in the regular season against LOUD, then in the semis, EG bounced back. That's how it is man, if you ain't consistent, you don't deserve the glory. In this Red Bull Home Ground #4, Fnatic's still playin' the same shit, ain't bringin' nothing new. they don't create meta, don't expect to snatch a Champions trophy, not even a crappy Masters. Personally, I think Fnatic's got the illest roster in history, but they ain't the GOAT team yet. The 98 outta 100 analysts ain't gonna get you that glory brother