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Marved > valyn, johnqt

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kskm

both of them might be proven IGLs but just because it worked with the core of The Guard and Ghost Gaming/M80 it will not translate to Sentinels... just like it didnt work with dephh. Letting Marved go is a mistake IMO.. only better replacement is Saadhak because of chemistry between Sacy and Pancada (assuming they are on the team)

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dephh didn’t work because ayrin helped with calling

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kskm
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people will say net helped with calling once valyn fails and then they will say zander helped with calling once johnqt fails..
Having a core with chemistry >>>> plugging in the best players in different roles

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john is a proven igl, Ghost gaming 2022 and m80 2023 bro, this isnt just a random that the coach meat sucked offand gave a opportunity too lmao

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kskm
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SEN fans dont understand team chemistry, you cant plug and play with players. Almost every successful team has a core which has been together for some time. Its better to give Marved and others time to build that chemistry then plug in johnqt or valyn and begin the process again. They wont stand a chance against EG, LOUD or any team which has been working together for some time.

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EG and LOUD both changed two of there players at the start of this season SEN has a core of Sacy pANcada TenZ Zekken why keep marved who clearly wasn't a good or proven igl and not get a proven igl and just plug him into a core thats been together for a year now

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kskm
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The IGL is the most important part of the core. EG had C0M, Boostio and Jawg for more than 2 years now.. LOUD has Aspas, Less and Saadhak. Fnatic kept Boaster, Derke, Alfajer. PRX just added something. NRG had the Optic core. All these teams had their IGLs playing with their cores for more than an year coming into franchising. Same goes with why Guard and M80 were good. The most important part is to keep core with IGL since they understand how he is calling, Even FNS mentioned how s0m and ardiis were struggling to adjust to his calling style on NRG which created some problems.. Plugging in johnqt or valyn, rather than letting Marved get better with the team is just resetting everything back to 0.

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but even then if the only role you need is an IGL then get a new IGL don't stick to an "IGL" who really doesn't know how to call at all or to the level we expect from a franchised IGL

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kskm
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PRX works without an IGL. No one would've called Boostio a franchised level IGL before the start of the year. Team chemistry >>>>> any individual role or player. That takes time to build, keep chopping and changing and you reset the process to 0

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PRX are PRX no one will ever play or be able to play like them and how they do it. Boostio was always an IGL and had experience with it weather you believe he was ready to IGL at tier 1 level. SEN would be stupid to keep Marved he clearly isn't good enough for the IGL role may as well give it a shot with a proven IGL weather you believe "chemistry" is going to effect it

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kskm
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prx play the way they do because of team chemistry.. multiple pros have said it. c9 did fine because of team chemistry.. runi was not a proven igl either nor was boostio at the tier 1 level. if sen just keep working together with what they have and build on the chemistry they will be better next year 1000%.. if they dont.. guarenteed they lose again and this forum will be filled with johnqt/valyn/whoever replaces marved hate threads lol

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i think marved is out not only because of the igling but because of the roles too, as marved contract is over this year and pancada still up to 1 year more, and i honestly think pancada>>>marved, and we already have a core: tenz, zekken, sacy, pancada, we just need an igl now

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i would give the time to sen with an actual igl instead of some guy who is learning to igl while also trying to build team chemistry

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with which player marved has chemistry????????' oh yeah your argument itself fucked up, and dont you dare compare johnqt and valyn´s fragging with dephh´s LMAOOOOO

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kskm
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another braindead comment.. if it isnt obvious Marved has already played and practiced with the team. dephh's team did better than valyn and johnqt in 2022.. yeah bring the GE's star ayrin's name again

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marved played less than 10 matches with the team, he joined mid-season and didnt become igl until the last 2 regular league matches are you sure 5 igl matches are enough to prove a point here? they didnt win anything significant with marved on igl because he isnt even an igl, give johnqt and valyn 6 matches and then you can see anything, also dont act as if bcj cryo and zekken werent nuclear bombs last year on chamber meta while ayrin and dephh had to unite both their brains to know where to exactly make them play and how.

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kskm
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nobody is born an igl.. what are u on about.. just contradicting yourself. marved has said he wants to be an IGL and obviously needs time to become better.. since they practiced for more than 2 months before lcq and got better its definitely prudent to give the team more time as they have already worked together. bringing in valyn/johnqt who have only proved themselves with their cores of Guard and Ghost gaming/M80 is counterproductive and brings the progress back to 0. u are just proving my point by saying team chemistry is more important than the individual IGL.. if valyn/johnqt dont work u are gonna say the same shit on how net/zander had to help them earlier.

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i doubt that was the issue. crashies vic help call on nrg/optic

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moshimoshiman24
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just get marved off of igl and u good, when he has to igl his fragging turns from god tier to mid

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Give us the og optic back

#5
oblvs
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tenz igl drop brazilians add yay and

Botssi

#6
moonemi
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i hope sen goes “ surprise mf, we keeping the same lcq roster ahaha “

i loved them and lcq was just not enough time for that roster. everyone spoke so highly of them in scrims :(

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honestly i agree with you if Marved does leave according the speculations u have so much to choose from
SOM, Zander, BCJ, players from GAURD AND M80

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vipermommydomme
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marved has never been good as the primary IGL

#21
HuntersFury
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Marved ain't an IGL. They can have both johnQT and marved without creating any role issues.

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TheAqif
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they should just get TenZ primary igl
I heckin love TenZ

#24
danii1
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If their IGLing worked, why wouldn't it work on SEN

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kskm
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i said why.. its because of team chemistry. u cant plug and play with roles and individuals without giving a team time to build chemistry

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danii1
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They've got the whole off season for that 😄

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Dephh didn't work because of constant roster changes. Literally, it makes no sense to say that since dephh couldn't produce results, no other igl aside from saadhak would. With Marved we don't know how good he will be as an igl because he's still new at it. Also, if team chemistry is being judged on previous teammates, would Shahzam be the next best fit because of his chemistry with TenZ? Like bruh, what is this logic?

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kskm
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what roster changes? they subbed Tenz for marved for a game because he couldnt play and the other change was sykko who isnt even a tactical coach so it didnt make any impact. core is usually IGL + 2 others teammates which SEN did not have.. shazam analogy doesnt make any sense considering how horrible the team was in 2022. try to make some sense

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Change one was Marved for TenZ, then TenZ for dephh, but these moves happened like weeks apart. How is a team supposed to build chemistry if a roster is changing during the season?

Also, the Shahzam analogy makes perfect sense since your reasoning in the original post was because of his chemistry with Sacy and pancada, not his results with Loud. Also, Shahzam cannot be blamed entirely for SEN being bad in 2022, and tbh when they actually got a chance to bootcamp they didn't do that bad.

You're reasoning makes literally no sense because teams can't all start with previous cores, but they can still succeed. Like C9 only had leaf and xeppaa from the old C9, and yet they did pretty well. Conversely, 100T only changed will for Cryo and did really bad. If a team makes a change even if it's just one, the team will need time to build chemistry no matter what.

The change that makes the most sense is johnqt and it's not close. If pancada is going to switch back to smokes, which he's more comfortable with, SEN needs a sentinel IGL, which johnqt is. Plus, if you wanna talk about chemistry, Kaplan used to coach johnqt on Ghost gaming.

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kskm
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So as i said it was basically only 1 change for dephh, which is marved for tenz.. dephh's removal wouldnt have any affect on dephh's igl since he was gone... sykko was never a tactical coach it was always kaplan so it doesnt make any difference again

shazam got 2022 with same core because of 2021 performance but obviously things changed after that because of franchising and optic, xset and all the players being f/a.. sen went on to choose 3 from xset core, 2 from loud and kept their poster kid. obviously these kind of fragmented cores with colliding roles did not work as there is no chemistry.. you cannot just plug in the best from previous years performance into individual roles and expect some magic. unless one feels that the team cannot win or function as a 5.. there is no need to make any changes.. it is better to give them chance to improve and work rather than keeping a guillotine over their heads and say win or leave.. case in point : how did kru turn around 0-9 and win lcq with no changes?

100t case : they started their season pretty well, won red bull against a supposed superteam of c9 and lost to fnatic in lock//in.. their americas season was in fact better than sentinels even if they lost head to head considering if they didnt lose against mibr.. it wouldve been 100t in playoffs rather than eg. so up until this point 100t was better than eg.. which isnt bad. c9 kept vanity, leaf and xeppa to protect their core in which they believed.. most people were shocked after they performed even after runi and jakee inclusion because somehow the chemistry worked.. infact this proves my point - team chemistry is more important than buying the best player in a certain role.. runi or jakee by no means are the best available igl or smokes but since they strengthened the chemistry it was good.. now u cannot guarantee this so the best way to build it is to keep ur core players or if u have new ones give them time to improve.

pancada has mentioned he is comfortable on kj and viper.. so u dont have to assume on his behalf.. coaches dont add to team chemistry on the server.. kaplan and johnqt working together wont bring any chemistry to the server.. LOUD, The Guard changing coaches never mattered.

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Cannot
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they had one month of prac before lock//in -> after they changed their roles (sacy on smokes and pancada on sentinel) -> fired their head coach (it is total bullshit to say this doesnt make impact) -> put marved in for tenz (changing roles again) -> then dephh left

i think that is a decent amount of turmoil that hinders an IGL's ability to lead a team effectively

#38
kskm
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which igl? how can dephh leaving affect dephh's IGLing? do u want a list of teams that changed roles and succeeded? in case of sykko he might be head coach but didnt make the tactical decisions, he is a powerpoint executive kinda guy who just gives out motivational speeches and talks about basic shit.. everything was always being done by kaplan and drewspark.

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