Demon1 and trashtalk in general

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Finlad

Idk if I'm crazy but I don't see what's wrong with trash talk. All I expect is to back it, up and if you don't back it up don't go crying on a podcast 3 months from the trash talk talking about death threats and mental health when you yourself are the cause of those said issues.

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nothings wrong with it people are just parasocial grease lords who follow everything they see Ludwig tweet

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It's ok to talk trash but now he's kinda pushing it, it wouldn't kill him to say something nice after the match. His latest tweet is kinda annoying. Rest was fine

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He is just joking around bro, don't take it seriously

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No one taking seriously. But u gotta have some boundaries, you can't trash talk everything

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this

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EXACTLY if you trash talk everything it stops becoming trash talk

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it's just for the public facing entertainment dude
do you think when they're walking down the hallway to the arena he's telling them that they fucking blow

everyone is chill with each other outside of the game

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Ik. But what's the use if you trash talk everything? There will be no point of trashtalking.

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neID

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And who decides what those boundaries are? It will always be a subjective matter. The main thing is for trash talk not to turn into personal insults, like appearance or personal life, etc.

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Xerulo

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After the games over I don't think it's necessary. Well maybe I'm the only one who finds d1 and boostio annoying for this.

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Finlad

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Personally don't see anything wrong with it. As long as he doesn't go on to complain about death threats and mental health when he's baiting interactions.

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Ullyr

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yeah but fk the fans that take it serious like that . its just a video game.

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In an ideal world yes but there will always be weirdos and pros should know that. If you're looking to bait interactions you should know the consequences

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Dude, the scene needs all kinds of entertainers. Calm down man. Not everyone can or wants to be Boaster, it would be damn boring if it was. Soft mfers are crying so much about trash talk in esports

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trash talk is what keeps rivalry interesting

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Ullyr

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I think its okay , honestly it spice things up. I'm more so worry about demon1 and boostio. I really hope the rabid fanbase don't take it seriously like that.

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UnEstoppable

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Man what did they even say. By the reaction you would think they started hurling racial slurs

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Ullyr

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I mean its not what they said yet. I'm fairly sure this will reach weibo at some point lol.

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Astar

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dont worry apac will get our chinese brothers their revenge and send them to lower

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are you referring to anyone? did someone go on a podcast and rant about death threats and mental health?

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Finlad

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Not targeting anyone is specific but I'm just annoyed of the people who hunt for interactions by being "villains". I have nothing against it but, I expect them to know what they are getting into for those interactions.

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Growing up I was always told to hold your head high in victory or defeat. Calling people frauds after a match just leaves a bad taste in my mouth

Part of the pregame prayer from my high school team summarizes it pretty well. "If we lose, let us stand by the field, and cheer as the victors go by. And if we win, let it be by the code, with faith and honor held high."

I'm all for talk before or during a game, but being a sore winner is unnecessary and deservedly frowned upon imo.

i will support NA regardless though

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Finlad

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Agreed. However, I do think that for the scene to stay alive we need narratives. Narratives bring eyes to the esport, in an ideal world everyone would watch sports just for the amazing plays but, it isnt an ideal world and most people don't care about the sport they only care about narratives. For example I can bet you half of nba fans dont even watch nba games they are just there for the narratives that are made in the sport.

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I think you can start narratives without talking trash after a game

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snowflake

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Danny

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saying i don't like something doesn't make me a snowflake lmao

people can have opinions.

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classic american can't stop being offended to everything

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Danny

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Not offended just not a fan

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i think youre the one being offended here little buddy

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so unbelievably corny, fuck outta here with the code of honor shit, being a sore loser is very normal

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Danny

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Having principles isn’t corny lil bro

Also EG aren’t sore losers, they’re sore winners.

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jawn

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leave your principles out of the game, if that's what you're trying to preserve when you're competing then you're no competitor at all

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Danny

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This doesn’t have to do with competing itself, it has to do with how you behave after a competition

Whether or not you talk trash after a game has absolutely nothing to do with results

You’re actually an imbecile if you think that being a gracious winner makes you “no competitor at all”

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you're no competitor because you cannot relate to that feeling, if you're seeing a peer talking shit after a match and you think "oh that leaves a bad taste in my mouth, he should not do that", that's just pure insecurity, otherwise you wouldn't care

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Danny

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what are you even waffling about bro

No shot you've ever competed in anything at a high level

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jawn

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i played football semi-pro from 15 to 17, you played on your school team lil bro

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Danny

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“Semi pro” at u18 LMAO

Mommy and daddy paid for you to get into an academy team

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jawn

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when i was really young yeah, that's kinda how it goes

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LouBag

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I can tell you’re an annoying bitch

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why are you crying so much about a tweet man

it's literally just for fun, EDG don't care about it. And if EDG come back and win against them, it'll make things even more entertaining

the two teams had dinner together. you think he's actually hating EDG players on something? stop taking stuff so seriously, it's just to entertain

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i'm not crying I'm giving my opinion on a thread discussing opinions on the matter.

I don't think he's actually hating EDG players, I simply dislike when competitors are sore winners, regardless of reasoning.

I don't hate EG, in fact they're the team I hope win the event. I'm also not personally mad at any of the players

it just makes me cringe and slightly disappointed to see those types of tweets and conferences/interviews

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What's concerning here is that your high school mixes sports with prayers... very concerning

Also, you're missing the fact that narratives are just that... narratives. EG and EDG players get along pretty well, they had dinner yesterday. You sound very confused (gullible?) and probably the target audience for all the funny shit talking

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Prayers were a student led tradition passed down for years. I’m not religious. It was more of a chant to get us gassed up

In fact it would’ve been a fireable offense for a teacher to lead a prayer

Also I’m not saying that EG and EDG hate each other. I’m saying that publicly calling EDG frauds after a victory leaves a bad taste in my mouth

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It's just a reply to the narrative that EDG created in the pre-match hype video (where they called Demon1 fraud and failed). You're reading too much into it, it's just banter between the players.

Not sure what sport you're playing, but in football/soccer this is something that we learned to deal with from a very young age, playing both school and club level. Work on your mental game more

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Danny

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bro fym "work on your mental game more"

me not being a fan of an action doesn't mean that I'm rattled or upset. It's just not the way that I like competitors to carry themselves

and I'm also not playing

you're reading way too far into this.

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You're the one that literally said that you have "a bad taste in your mouth" . FYI, that's a mental thing.

You seem like you like going in circles, we can end this convo here.

Cheers

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Danny

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You’re telling me I need to “work on my mentals”

Why do I need to work on an opinion. You’re a moron

Also it’s not just about the fraud tweet. It’s also about Boostio’s post match interview where he said Kang Kang was a disappointment and EDG aren’t very good

Also don’t try to end the conversation for me dude. You’re so weird

Edit: post match conference not interview

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jkjkjk

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Boostio literally said in the post-match interview that EDG is actually a really good team. Go re-watch it. You're an idiot and a half. l8er

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Danny

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“They're really good for a Chinese team, but I don't know, they're not very good to be honest. KangKang was a disappointment"”

Rewatch it bud

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https://youtu.be/kDIGsqa0cpw?list=PLMJ9cfx_WDdybdHDw28uCEFnxQvprJ59W&t=3062

You're an idiot bud, stop replying to me before you grow a brain

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you just make that shit up in your head? half those words didnt come out of his mouth..

Rewatch it bud

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trash talk creates hype. ur fans wanna see u win. ur haters wanna see u lose.
he is playing the villain arc and what do u guys expect?
u guys really expect him to go tenz mode and be like "GG 2-1 EDG. u guys did well." some shit like that?
he is playing the villain role rn there is no shot he will stop doing it. he might tone it up a little bit in the future but definitely not rn.

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Finlad

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Never said it was bad . All I'm expecting is to back it up.

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then stop crying like a child

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Finlad

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when was i crying i was saying its fine

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the thing is they are forcing to be the villain, no creativity/entertainment just straight up trashtalking other team
in my opinion thats just annoying and cringe

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Demon1 trash talk is okay but boostio saying NA better than China is just him pushing boundaries after BLG NRG games there are 2 chinese teams and 1 NA team in playoffs and he is talking as if China is minor region his press conference will obviously generate lot of death threats but he still can't accept reality that chinese valorant is atleast comparable to NA he needs PR training honestly

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veyyyyron

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china is in fact a minor region, the game was released like less then a year ago, so it's expected for them to have a slow start

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Lol having 2 teams in top 8 and and getting a partnership league just for a country shows how major of region is china he needs PR training literally otherwise hate train does not stop and it fuel the flames even more and masters Shanghai will not pleasant for EG you need to back where you need to back down

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veyyyyron

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and they were both sent to lowers, they are all NPCs in these tournaments. Give them some time and i'm sure they can do better, but RIGHT NOW it's a minor region

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I am pretty sure the number of teams in top 8 and above defines how good of region you are and this champion China>>NA so boostio is being sore loser talking such shit about China

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that doesnt tell everything. Champions 2021, there were 2 apac teams in playoffs and only 1 na in playoffs, yet the following tournaments, we saw na place higher than apac. You cant call a region better simply based on a single tournament

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they still consider a minor region. I think they have talent but atm their level of play is not close to what is consider top. It was a major upset for BLG to win nrg 4 0. That honestly just confuses me because like you see DRX can easily handle BLG plays.

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13-10 and 13-9 against a top 8 masters top 4 lock in and top 3 previous champions is respectable and in these 6 months time they will be even better the major region and minor region are decided by how many teams top placed from a region not how new/old and region is

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there is nothing wrong

its actually cool that someone acts like this

if they win hes the goat
if they loose he will listen to a lot of shit in the internet

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nothing wrong. he'll probably cry and say he's getting a lot of death threats when he lose and people talk shit back tho. and he's not that big of a player in this sport yet so i think the ranked demon should chill for now

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like i said in a previous post, trash talk is fine, i just think EG did it in poor taste starting with the presumed weakest region.

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dont they trash talk every region?

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no im pretty sure this is something they started at champions or going up to champions, if they started with the big dogs it just looks better if you deliver, but starting with the weakest link, it just looks alot worse

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EG is a mid team, but the players are believing they are good... soon they return to normal. They've had a mediocre vct's playoff, masters half of the relevant teams were in trouble or without players (drx, loud, prx), and even though they almost lost to prx.