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FluffyRhino4

Y hype him up so much

I’ve never seen him play but I check his last 90 days not that great

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6000 post 4 months

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The point still stands. How does this protect your take

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He is like Leo but not with a great team. Leo and cloud were the next best thing before franchising

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Leo was always good even though he was on a bad team he was still good

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guild is not a bad team tf u talkin about

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giants isnt either...

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Guild was only as good a team as the current Giants.
Also, the gap between Leo and Cloud is too big, bringing these two names together is an insult to Leo.

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facts fr. Also he always had looked th best player in guild (at worst 2nd best), cloud in LCQ was literally the 4th best rated in his team, leo never had one performance like that. Also in vct emea he was imo giants' best player but all 4 players were pretty good and there isn't a huge jump in talent between 3rd best and 4th best player like in guild

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Who cares about ratings for the span of like 4 games? Cloud is 100% the best player on Giants and only Nukkye is close individually

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4 games is a whole ass tournament lol. FNC won tokyo in 4 games fr

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They played 3 games, one of which was the grand final, which was a seeding game where nobody played their normal roles. So 2 BO3 series that you can take seriously. That's nothing

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Cloud is vieved right now like Leo before FNC. Guys like you need to see talent on winning teams before you appreciate them

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Leo was mid on Guild and is mid on Fnatic

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Take your medicines sasukr

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you seriously have to have some damage in your brain

there is no way somebody is this stupid

leo would 1v5 any team in NA t2

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he does,he is a dia 2 0.78kd player,stop taking him seriously

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You give too much credit vro went 0-13 in a gold lobby and dropped 0 ACS

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UvuvwevwevweOnyetenyevwe

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When champions is over we will have already seen how good a player Cloud is, I hope he proves me wrong. (I don't care about Giants because a good player is a good player)

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It's not really that big of a gap
I'm n1 Leo fan but cloud is super good too

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shit igl and shit coach

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I never said Leo was bad. In fact Leo was still fucking insane on guild and cloud was insane on Navi aswell. I was trying to say that cloud still is great if you watch the games, his playstyle is like Leo-esk and almost you never see him making dumb plays and its hard to see all that with only looking at stats

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I've been watching both Leo and Cloud for a long time and I say Leo is by far the better

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Delulu

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Mortadelo

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NAVI was way worse than GUILD

Imo rn you put Cloud on FNC instead of Leo and the team it’s just as good as they are rn

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averso is LATAM's leo too

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cloud speedrun from dropped by navi to beat navi to champs
chad

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he was good in vct emea tho (he was mid in lcq for some reason though)

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he was playing a lot of duelists tho right? isnt he a support/scan initiator?

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Giants were breezing past LCQ. He was chilling

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Fit1nho holding Cloud true potential

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Mortadelo

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You mean LCQ MVP?

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ye he fragged too much, so Clouds couldnt get to the 400 acs he would have otherwise

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For sure

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1 good game pal

calm down now morta

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Just facts here
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1659/champions-tour-2023-emea-last-chance-qualifier

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he's up there cuz of the NAVI series

which NAVI trolling hard

cmon now

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Mortadelo

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He was literally there before the series
I remeber cause I checked before and I was afraid he would drop after xD
Here
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1659/champions-tour-2023-emea-last-chance-qualifier?exclude=19814&min_rounds=0&agent=all

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If you've never seen Cl0ud play, his prior 90 days won't help you paint the whole picture... if you have (and you should have), you'd look beyond 90d data. You'd typically divide the data from all tournaments/qualifiers he'd competed in into periods where you'd generally examine overall averages of those events to determine some standards/threshold and then compare them to Cl0ud's numbers.

The task is very simple, either using API or through simple copy/paste. If you choose to copy/paste, then one of Chrome's extensions - Table Capture (I'm not affiliated with them) - would come in very helpful.

Best wishes.

P.S. And please for the love of GOD, don't rush with your conclusions before studying them thoroughly ;) Rushed conclusions are also known as Bullshit.