Like ik there good, but i see people comparing them to players like chronicle and Less, and there is just no competition there. Both are worse then every player, excluding IGL's in Europe's top three teams (Fnc, TL, Navi), both are worse then all of PRX, as well as most of DRX, and they are both worse then all of LOUD, Half of Sen, and Demon 1
Please if you make a tier list, stop the bullshit NA bias, and rank them A-B tier
how is crashies worse than demon1 when they don't even play the same role? are you braindead? worse than "all" of prx, drx?? on what basis lmao bro is just saying things. i can't speak on the duo but if u make a list of the top 10 initiators in the world and crashies isn't on it you're just wrong 🤷♂️
crashies is undoubtedly in the discussion, not top3 but def top 10. if u can't see that then ur blind
Im comparing influence and importance for the team, so yes i can compare different roles
comparing influence and importance to the team and underrating the duo that set the bar as the main pivots of team synergy/structure is WILD
Also because they’re one of the smartest duos and individual players in the world.
You never see them make individual mistakes as much as you see other players do.
Like how Asuna aces and throws the next round. That shit never happens with these two.
The smartest players who are consistent and always do the best play at the perfect time.
That’s why FNS wanted them by his side in NRG
They will never be B tier, but I completely agree with them being high A tier or maybe a the very bottom of S tier. I love crashies, he's one of my favorite players, and Victor is an amazing player, but I feel that a lot of people don't understand that NRG's system performs so well because of their incredible teamwork and coordination. Their plays are always so well-refined that whoever is in a position to reap the reward will look like a god. Crashies and Victor have improved incredibly, and with the team relying less on setting up a player like yay they've really stepped it when being put in the positions they have been.
To an extent that's also a big reason why yay performed so good on optic and is struggling on DSG, he has some of the best aim in the world, but his slow methodical aiming style just isn't what you need to carry a game and 1v5. He was positioned and used perfectly by optic to maximize the value that his playstyle and aiming style could provide, and when being expected and forced to be DSG's hard carry with no strategy or coordination whatsoever, he falters
i am a fan of nats and redgar not soulcas. if u actually watched liquid's matches u would know his util is world class. his fade especially. for the record i am not saying soulcas>crashies. crashies is definitey overall the better player but soulcas isnt that far behind him especially in terms of util
Like how. Assists literally can only be done when u deal majority damage and someone else steals the kill or u set ur teammate with ur util for them to get the kill. There is literally no other way of gaining assists except Healing players and the healed player getting the kill. U proved u have no knowledge of the game
The window for assists is so big for flashes, you can flash someone and still get an assist despite them not actually being blind. Also, you mentioned healing yeah. And Kayos can farm assists just by ulting, which doesn’t actually take any skill. His fade APR isn’t even high, and that’s the one agent you’re praising him for. He has the second lowest fade apr in EMEA
What are u talking? U don't get an assist if the enemy isn't blinded. There is also a limited time frame where u get an assist for the flash which literally means there is no way for u to get an assist unless ur flash had an impact. Surely just using ult of kayo doesn't put u in top 3 of most assists
Both are in the top 10 for stats this season in their region
Ahead of 3 people from loud, and demon 1, all of Sen basically everyone on your list from the Americas performs statistically worse than them.
But let’s put aside facts and numbers. Crashies has been one of the best players in his role for YEARS. He’s a rock and deserves to be considered top 5 in “slot”.
Victor is very good at his role, but I’m fine putting him A tier.
Crashies, Victor > Shao and Zyppan
Crashies > Soulcas
Victor > Jamppi (debatable)\
Crashies > Cauanzin
Crashies and Victor > Zekken and Sacy
Victor > Saadhak
Why do you think Crashies and Victor have found so much more success in their career compared to these other teams?
It's because they are some of the best players in their roles
It isn’t about their individual talent, it’s just that they fit really well with the team and can go blow for blow against any other team in the world, yeah they won’t take over a game but you also won’t see them going double negative on games
(Victor sometimes does but to compensate he can also take over games, both instances are really rare still)
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