Like ik there good, but i see people comparing them to players like chronicle and Less, and there is just no competition there. Both are worse then every player, excluding IGL's in Europe's top three teams (Fnc, TL, Navi), both are worse then all of PRX, as well as most of DRX, and they are both worse then all of LOUD, Half of Sen, and Demon 1
Please if you make a tier list, stop the bullshit NA bias, and rank them A-B tier
how is crashies worse than demon1 when they don't even play the same role? are you braindead? worse than "all" of prx, drx?? on what basis lmao bro is just saying things. i can't speak on the duo but if u make a list of the top 10 initiators in the world and crashies isn't on it you're just wrong 🤷♂️
ash_knuckles [#3]how is crashies worse than demon1 when they don't even play the same role? are you braindead? worse than "all" of prx, drx?? on what basis lmao bro is just saying things. i can't speak on the duo but if u make a list of the top 10 initiators in the world and crashies isn't on it you're just wrong 🤷♂️
Bro look at the tierlists people are making, how do so many put crashies at the top.
Im comparing influence and importance for the team, so yes i can compare different roles
Cresp [#6]Crashies shit on drx and has the best initiator pool itw. He is top 2 on fade and sova util and has the best support skye itw. He can win unwinnable rounds. Victor imo is a worse chronicle, worse mechanics but has that same hyperflexibility and almost as much impact.
Top two on fade and sova util is a joke. He doesnt come close to Soulcas (util only, not aim), and crashies is not even in the same league as leo
Fregs99 [#7]Top two on fade and sova util is a joke. He doesnt come close to Soulcas (util only, not aim), and crashies is not even in the same league as leo
Alright bud you clearly have a bias here 👍
They will never be B tier, but I completely agree with them being high A tier or maybe a the very bottom of S tier. I love crashies, he's one of my favorite players, and Victor is an amazing player, but I feel that a lot of people don't understand that NRG's system performs so well because of their incredible teamwork and coordination. Their plays are always so well-refined that whoever is in a position to reap the reward will look like a god. Crashies and Victor have improved incredibly, and with the team relying less on setting up a player like yay they've really stepped it when being put in the positions they have been.
To an extent that's also a big reason why yay performed so good on optic and is struggling on DSG, he has some of the best aim in the world, but his slow methodical aiming style just isn't what you need to carry a game and 1v5. He was positioned and used perfectly by optic to maximize the value that his playstyle and aiming style could provide, and when being expected and forced to be DSG's hard carry with no strategy or coordination whatsoever, he falters
Nachtel [#10]They will never be B tier, but I completely agree with them being high A tier or maybe a the very bottom of S tier. I love crashies, he's one of my favorite players, and Victor is an amazing player, but I feel that a lot of people don't understand that NRG's system performs so well because of their incredible teamwork and coordination. Their plays are always so well-refined that whoever is in a position to reap the reward will look like a god. Crashies and Victor have improved incredibly, and with the team relying less on setting up a player like yay they've really stepped it when being put in the positions they have been.
To an extent that's also a big reason why yay performed so good on optic and is struggling on DSG, he has some of the best aim in the world, but his slow methodical aiming style just isn't what you need to carry a game and 1v5. He was positioned and used perfectly by optic to maximize the value that his playstyle and aiming style could provide, and when being expected and forced to be DSG's hard carry with no strategy or coordination whatsoever, he falters
Flop + ur yoru threw that game on ascent (😼)
Cresp [#9]Alright bud you clearly have a bias here 👍
Bro said all of prx and Soulcas are better than them, the bias couldn’t be more apparent 💀
Cresp [#11]Flop + ur yoru threw that game on ascent (😼)
cresp my beloved, i tried my hardest to carry, and I will later tonight bb
Nachtel [#13]cresp my beloved, i tried my hardest to carry, and I will later tonight bb
Jkjk brodda
Fregs99 [#4]Bro look at the tierlists people are making, how do so many put crashies at the top.
Im comparing influence and importance for the team, so yes i can compare different roles
crashies is undoubtedly in the discussion, not top3 but def top 10. if u can't see that then ur blind
Im comparing influence and importance for the team, so yes i can compare different roles
comparing influence and importance to the team and underrating the duo that set the bar as the main pivots of team synergy/structure is WILD
Cresp [#6]Crashies shit on drx and has the best initiator pool itw. He is top 2 on fade and sova util and has the best support skye itw. He can win unwinnable rounds. Victor imo is a worse chronicle, worse mechanics but has that same hyperflexibility and almost as much impact.
nah crashies is a top 2 skye and maybe sova but not fade. shao and soulcas are btter than him at fade atleast
gamr [#17]I was gonna write up a reply but then you unironically said Soulcas was a better player util wise
he is. soulcas is literally one of the best itw at util
gamr [#21]flair
i am a fan of nats and redgar not soulcas. if u actually watched liquid's matches u would know his util is world class. his fade especially. for the record i am not saying soulcas>crashies. crashies is definitey overall the better player but soulcas isnt that far behind him especially in terms of util
Both are in the top 10 for stats this season in their region
Ahead of 3 people from loud, and demon 1, all of Sen basically everyone on your list from the Americas performs statistically worse than them.
But let’s put aside facts and numbers. Crashies has been one of the best players in his role for YEARS. He’s a rock and deserves to be considered top 5 in “slot”.
Victor is very good at his role, but I’m fine putting him A tier.
GreyDaze [#23]i am a fan of nats and redgar not soulcas. if u actually watched liquid's matches u would know his util is world class. his fade especially. for the record i am not saying soulcas>crashies. crashies is definitey overall the better player but soulcas isnt that far behind him especially in terms of util
I’ve watched almost every liquid match. His util is shit, plain and simple, especially on fade. Every eye he throws gets broken instantly and I saw many instances where he isn’t even clearing important angles with his prowlers, it’s ridiculous.
yaiima0 [#12]Bro said all of prx and Soulcas are better than them, the bias couldn’t be more apparent 💀
Crashies and vic got like 20 kills combined last they played prx
GreyDaze [#18]nah crashies is a top 2 skye and maybe sova but not fade. shao and soulcas are btter than him at fade atleast
Maybe you are right only eu uses that shit agent.
Agx192 [#27]Crashies and vic got like 20 kills combined last they played prx
And then prx got grouped the event after
gamr [#25]I’ve watched almost every liquid match. His util is shit, plain and simple, especially on fade. Every eye he throws gets broken instantly and I saw many instances where he isn’t even clearing important angles with his prowlers, it’s ridiculous.
every eye he throws gets broken instantly
... wow youre so stupid. ameritard gonna ameritard i guess
RealDeal [#31]every eye he throws gets broken instantly
... wow youre so stupid. ameritard gonna ameritard i guess
how is that stupid? That’s proof he doesn’t know proper util timing
gamr [#25]I’ve watched almost every liquid match. His util is shit, plain and simple, especially on fade. Every eye he throws gets broken instantly and I saw many instances where he isn’t even clearing important angles with his prowlers, it’s ridiculous.
Thats just blatantly false. Stop lying. Either u don't understand the game or u didn't watch a single match of tl. His utility gains so much value which sets up every single of his teammates to get kills. Btw he is top 3 itw across all leagues in assists with "shit util"
worsetbh [#26]there is no player on sentinels better than crashies and maybe victor too (can be inconsistent), zekken is the only one currently with an argument
get my boi zekken on a team where the players around him dont change every other week
GreyDaze [#33]Thats just blatantly false. Stop lying. Either u don't understand the game or u didn't watch a single match of tl. His utility gains so much value which sets up every single of his teammates to get kills. Btw he is top 3 itw across all leagues in assists with "shit util"
Assists don’t mean anything, many of them can be farmed in irrelevant ways
GreyDaze [#20]he is. soulcas is literally one of the best itw at util
Okay you are hard tripping lmao calm down
gamr [#36]Assists don’t mean anything, many of them can be farmed in irrelevant ways
Like how. Assists literally can only be done when u deal majority damage and someone else steals the kill or u set ur teammate with ur util for them to get the kill. There is literally no other way of gaining assists except Healing players and the healed player getting the kill. U proved u have no knowledge of the game
Moiraine [#37]Okay you are hard tripping lmao calm down
How am I tripping. I am literally stating facts
GreyDaze [#38]Like how. Assists literally can only be done when u deal majority damage and someone else steals the kill or u set ur teammate with ur util for them to get the kill. There is literally no other way of gaining assists except Healing players and the healed player getting the kill. U proved u have no knowledge of the game
No u get assists for healing a player that gets kills later in the round too.
GreyDaze [#38]Like how. Assists literally can only be done when u deal majority damage and someone else steals the kill or u set ur teammate with ur util for them to get the kill. There is literally no other way of gaining assists except Healing players and the healed player getting the kill. U proved u have no knowledge of the game
The window for assists is so big for flashes, you can flash someone and still get an assist despite them not actually being blind. Also, you mentioned healing yeah. And Kayos can farm assists just by ulting, which doesn’t actually take any skill. His fade APR isn’t even high, and that’s the one agent you’re praising him for. He has the second lowest fade apr in EMEA
Cresp [#40]No u get assists for healing a player that gets kills later in the round too.
I literally said that but soulcas isn't even the main skye in any map except haven
gamr [#41]The window for assists is so big for flashes, you can flash someone and still get an assist despite them not actually being blind. Also, you mentioned healing yeah. And Kayos can farm assists just by ulting, which doesn’t actually take any skill. His fade APR isn’t even high, and that’s the one agent you’re praising him for. He has the second lowest fade apr in EMEA
What are u talking? U don't get an assist if the enemy isn't blinded. There is also a limited time frame where u get an assist for the flash which literally means there is no way for u to get an assist unless ur flash had an impact. Surely just using ult of kayo doesn't put u in top 3 of most assists
GreyDaze [#43]What are u talking? U don't get an assist if the enemy isn't blinded. There is also a limited time frame where u get an assist for the flash which literally means there is no way for u to get an assist unless ur flash had an impact. Surely just using ult of kayo doesn't put u in top 3 of most assists
Look at his agents individually for the emea league, he is the best assist-wise at a single agent
yaiima0 [#5]The power duo clears you lil bro
Also because they’re one of the smartest duos and individual players in the world.
You never see them make individual mistakes as much as you see other players do.
Like how Asuna aces and throws the next round. That shit never happens with these two.
The smartest players who are consistent and always do the best play at the perfect time.
That’s why FNS wanted them by his side in NRG
Agx192 [#27]Crashies and vic got like 20 kills combined last they played prx
Unlucky game, doesn’t mean that they’re worse than the players on prx
Crashies, Victor > Shao and Zyppan
Crashies > Soulcas
Victor > Jamppi (debatable)\
Crashies > Cauanzin
Crashies and Victor > Zekken and Sacy
Victor > Saadhak
Why do you think Crashies and Victor have found so much more success in their career compared to these other teams?
It's because they are some of the best players in their roles
yaiima0 [#49]I expected more from u mom
I'm sorry I just can't stand the face he makes every time camera pans on to him while chewing that fucking gum like "uuhmm yeah I am the duke of Surlington chew chew please take your peasant mug away from my line of vision before i vomit" type of haughty look.
Ok sorry.
Moiraine [#52]I'm sorry I just can't stand the face he makes every time camera pans on to him while chewing that fucking gum like "uuhmm yeah I am the duke of Surlington chew chew please take your peasant mug away from my line of vision before i vomit" type of haughty look.
Ok sorry.
What the fuck did I just read.
Crashies gum >> you
Moiraine [#52]I'm sorry I just can't stand the face he makes every time camera pans on to him while chewing that fucking gum like "uuhmm yeah I am the duke of Surlington chew chew please take your peasant mug away from my line of vision before i vomit" type of haughty look.
Ok sorry.
Bro.... he looks smug but he actually chill
It isn’t about their individual talent, it’s just that they fit really well with the team and can go blow for blow against any other team in the world, yeah they won’t take over a game but you also won’t see them going double negative on games
(Victor sometimes does but to compensate he can also take over games, both instances are really rare still)
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