True great IGL’s make their players better. FNS/ANGE1/SAADHAK make their teammates better, Yay and ardiss where the only ones well known B4 they joined those rosters. Botster has done nothing but pick up talent and replace everyone around him. Definition of FRAUD.
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yeah idk. Dont get me wrong I'm more than happy to praise saadhak for making a zero to hero roster and FNS for turning mediocre players into the best but boaster has consistently made LANS and has shown his calling proficiency. Its about time he has actual talent for him to really prove himself. just because he didnt turn his previous rosters into top teams shouldn't reflect on his ability to igl.
Also IMO "making players better" often falls on the coach, not on the igl. the whole concept of crediting solely an IGL with making their teammates better is weird asf
“all other igls had overall better players than every previous iteration of fnatic”
optic had yay (true), marved (what many argued to be a one event wonder at reykjavik), victor (“MOST INCONSISTENT PLAYER!!! kick this guy!!!”), and crashies (zero recognition for being a good player until lock//in).
fns still made it work, despite himself having dog awful aim added into the mix.
a truly great igl does not need a SUPERTEAM to win. this doesn’t mean boaster isn’t a good igl (he definitely is), it just means he isn’t as impressive as saadhak and fns. saadhak and fns each took rookies and turned them into world-class players while boaster took already incredible players and successfully worked them into a great team.
marved was igling faze 2 months before he joined envy, ofcourse babybay would be better and he was destroying everyone considering faze were at that time 2nd on NA, crashies was the best initator along sacy last year and vic was always a great player from envy days, due to chamber meta he had to hard entry and the amount of impact he got gets ignored by dumbfucks like you
Suygetsu was the best player on ForZe and 2nd best CIS sentinel b4 he joined FPX, you can read my post history from 2021 I called for Na'Vi Suygetsu(back when Na'Vi had roster with Cloud and ssk) or FPX Suygetsu all the time and it happened actually. Shao was also incredible even when FPX were losing, Zyppan too.
Oh really mistic and Enzo were Tier 1 players? Why were they not picked up by any of the 10 franchising orgs then?? Rosters were made 2 months after Boaster brought them to top 5/6 internationally
Why were Magnum and Doma not get picked up by any org when they got dropped???? Maybe it was FNC who made them that good??
No you're not getting it. Your example does not work because zombs went fucking cc and Shazham was not on a good team before franchising
Let me explain it to you again. Mistic and Enzo placed 5th and 6th in Champions, being the second best team in EMEA. Yet, 2 months after when there is the roster shuffle absolutely nobody wants them. Teams decide there are 10 better smokers than Mistic and 10 better Initiators than Enzo just 2 months after they had had the 2nd best run out of the EMEA teams in Champs
Shazam on the other hand played for Sen before franchising who were a mid tier 1 team who did not manage to qualify for champions. And not even gonna mention the fact that there is half of the spots for players from NA to be picked up than EMEA
Bro just bc their are good T2 players who should be T1 does not make your argument valid. There are over a dozen T2 pros in NA that are better than T1 pros but bc of previous rosters/chemistry/followers/etc. they did not get picked up.
We all know enzo is a good player who should def be on KC and would make that team instantly better especially with his calling. Mistic is actually also still a very good player who IMO deserves to be in T1 EMEA but he was dropped by WHO oh ya botster the fraud.
I'm agreeing with the OP bc FNS/Saadhak would not drop players who still have T1 talent. At the time of comparing the SEN roster to the FNC roster they were very close in skill, arguably SEN were better bc they got to Berlin and FNC didnt'. SO ya try and use zombs and shahz's falloffs as a crutch for the fact that Boaster is 100% not an S tier IGL and needs to be carried by his teammates.
Or you can see it the other way around, all of the teammates FNS and Saadhack have been to Lan with are franchised now (But gtn and sutecas) meanwhile Boaster made it with objectively worse players? Are you really gonna tell me Mistic and Enzo are even close to any of the OPTC or LOUD players??
Let's assume you're right. Then Boaster made those runs with KC level players?
The KC thing was just bc he is french and way better than newzera, xms, and zeish.
And you are objectively proving my point with the franchising example. FNS and Saadhak are taking in new, unproven talent straight into franchising and still performing at a world class level. Botster is not capable of doing that. Every player they pick up is already proven to be talented and even the less well known were scouted by mini, NOT BOTSTER.
FNS and Saadhak have gone to grand finals with different coaches who would have different gameplans/strategies but that does not effect them. FNS is the reason they got S0m and Saadhak is the one who scouted Tuyz and Cauanzin. As I said above I do think Enzo and Mistic are still T1 talent and believe if you gave them IGL's like FNS and Saadhak they would be capable to winning tournaments. B4 FNS and Saadhak the players from those rosters where nobodies, you cannot say the same for Botsters teammates unless you go back to 2020 bc practically everyone then is not relevant now.
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