why icebox NEEDS to be removed/reworked soon

there is 9 maps historically and this shit map is the only one where all matches are this way SINCE HIS FUCKING RELEASE ON 2021 and after many nerfs on each of these agents more than once
look at this crap

Oceania built diff

yeah bring back old icebox

Gekko is going to replace someone in the coming meta considering how difficult it is to plant on B, helps to bait utility with wingman and also potentially sage goes out for harbor.

I hate the fact that nobody goes KJ in ranked so it's always up to me to play this boring agent. At least I win tho

I think Riot added Gekko and Harbor to make different comps on Icebox. We've already seen Harbor being used by many teams during LOCK//IN. And Gekko, I watch pros stream and many people think he might be a good pick on Icebox too. We might see some differences in the next tour, I guess.

too early to tell, but from what ive noticed gekko isn't really good at maps where bomb plants are hard and contested (pearl, icebox)

he is good at maps where you can get agro on defence and theres enough sky for u to get value out of flashes and plant is fairly easy and non contested (lotus, fracture, ascent)

any util kills this little guy and you dont want ur bomb in the open

but hey, maybe a sage wall walk up + harbor smoke lineup might make up for that, but it doesnt seem likely

Icebox is the worst map by far. The people who Say fracture and Lotus are worst is because they are silver

nah

it's time to bring reworked bind and delete shitbox from existence 😤😤😤

icebox b site needs to be reworked but a settled agent meta does not mean a map is bad. and "most played agent comp" by region means nothing.

They need to redo all of mid as thats the reason b site is so shit. Imagine an icebox where you can actually run a b split meaning you dont have to plant in that one shitty corner with a sage wall hoping they dont kj+viper+sova+kayo molly you, and you can take more space meaning theres more opportunity for retakes/ holds rather than 3 people sit behind yellow and 2 sit long and just try and take 1v1s. Kitchen is just a shithole, with killjoy perma setting up in there its not even worth attempting to go under/ through tube as the turret keeps you in a perma crossfire/ walking through the smallest choke in the game.

A site is also shit as its way too easy for the attackers to get on site, now with harbor meta, cascades blocking off all vision while scaling up + dome plant means the boring meta of sitting back and doing lineups/ spamming the bomb is even easier to do. They obviously want to keep the site as having lots of elevation points as its unique quirk, however its just way too easy for attackers to pinch the defenders as there isnt a single choke to watch without being exposed to multiple heights / peeking locations.

So in conclusion, b site, mid and A all need a complete rework, and the one gimmick for the map is actually making it worse. The only solution is deleting it :)

Its a good deathmatch map though

its changing slowly with harbor imo