there is 9 maps historically and this shit map is the only one where all matches are this way SINCE HIS FUCKING RELEASE ON 2021 and after many nerfs on each of these agents more than once
look at this crap
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why icebox NEEDS to be removed/reworked soon
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danii1 [#6]I hate the fact that nobody goes KJ in ranked so it's always up to me to play this boring agent. At least I win tho
dont play her if you dont want to
too early to tell, but from what ive noticed gekko isn't really good at maps where bomb plants are hard and contested (pearl, icebox)
he is good at maps where you can get agro on defence and theres enough sky for u to get value out of flashes and plant is fairly easy and non contested (lotus, fracture, ascent)
any util kills this little guy and you dont want ur bomb in the open
but hey, maybe a sage wall walk up + harbor smoke lineup might make up for that, but it doesnt seem likely
Vianx11 [#3]yeah bring back old icebox
BRO THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO REWORK IT AND SAME COMPS ON IT LMAO
titanwithpp [#5]Gekko is going to replace someone in the coming meta considering how difficult it is to plant on B, helps to bait utility with wingman and also potentially sage goes out for harbor.
without major map reworks sage isn't going out any time soon. its almost always worth walking through a smoke and sacrificing yourself to stop plant on this map
hell_on_earth [#16]icebox b site needs to be reworked but a settled agent meta does not mean a map is bad. and "most played agent comp" by region means nothing.
it is since i´ve seen the same comp since 2021 dude and its still being used, all maps have different comps runned at them with different sentinels or playstyles like double initiator double smoker even ive seen double duelist or sage + sentinel on some as meta (pearl for a while and also split) but this shit comp only changed the jett or the kj for a chaber because it was the strongest agent to ever release into the game after prime dash abuser jett
hell_on_earth [#16]icebox b site needs to be reworked but a settled agent meta does not mean a map is bad. and "most played agent comp" by region means nothing.
That's rigth. In ascent the same comp is played all the time but the map is not a piece of shit like icebox where you can entry a site without smokes and the other site you need all the utility for take it
koromast [#17]it is since i´ve seen the same comp since 2021 dude and its still being used, all maps have different comps runned at them with different sentinels or playstyles like double initiator double smoker even ive seen double duelist or sage + sentinel on some as meta (pearl for a while and also split) but this shit comp only changed the jett or the kj for a chaber because it was the strongest agent to ever release into the game after prime dash abuser jett
haven is the same except in some leagues fade is played more than sova. and before fade was released what do you think it was? same is gonna happen with icebox and harbor and maybe gekko.
Zaba [#18]That's rigth. In ascent the same comp is played all the time but the map is not a piece of shit like icebox where you can entry a site without smokes and the other site you need all the utility for take it
ascent is a bad map and people only like it because its supposedly 'simple'.
They need to redo all of mid as thats the reason b site is so shit. Imagine an icebox where you can actually run a b split meaning you dont have to plant in that one shitty corner with a sage wall hoping they dont kj+viper+sova+kayo molly you, and you can take more space meaning theres more opportunity for retakes/ holds rather than 3 people sit behind yellow and 2 sit long and just try and take 1v1s. Kitchen is just a shithole, with killjoy perma setting up in there its not even worth attempting to go under/ through tube as the turret keeps you in a perma crossfire/ walking through the smallest choke in the game.
A site is also shit as its way too easy for the attackers to get on site, now with harbor meta, cascades blocking off all vision while scaling up + dome plant means the boring meta of sitting back and doing lineups/ spamming the bomb is even easier to do. They obviously want to keep the site as having lots of elevation points as its unique quirk, however its just way too easy for attackers to pinch the defenders as there isnt a single choke to watch without being exposed to multiple heights / peeking locations.
So in conclusion, b site, mid and A all need a complete rework, and the one gimmick for the map is actually making it worse. The only solution is deleting it :)
Its a good deathmatch map though
hell_on_earth [#20]ascent is a bad map and people only like it because its supposedly 'simple'.
yes, but ascent is balanced at least
hell_on_earth [#19]haven is the same except in some leagues fade is played more than sova. and before fade was released what do you think it was? same is gonna happen with icebox and harbor and maybe gekko.
nah i´ve seen neon, reyna, phoenix, jetts, raze, no duelists, no breach but skye or kayo with sova, double sentinels, even double controller comps with viper, so i dont think it is that repetitive on haven as you think it is.
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