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Unpopular opinion (CIS OVERRATED)

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#1
Stratum7

Everyone think CIS is a very good and underrated and will be as good as EU in EMEA qualifiers
But here is why I think its a little bit overrated
In Iceland qualifiers, Turkey had 3, EU had 4 And CIS only had 1 spot. Everyone had high expactations from Turkey because of the viewership and overhyped fans but 1 of the teams got destroyed, 1 of the teams got a map from liquid but then destroyed and eliminated, and the last underdog team (OXYGEN) actually won against 1st TR team and one of the EU teams (Guild Esports). But Liquid crashed them so everyone said they also performed awful like the other TR teams, and everyone forget they literally eliminated Guild. And everyone has low expectations from TR because of that.
But like I said, CIS only had 1 spot so only Gambit joined which is by far the best CIS team (not even debatable).
And they performed decent. Im saying decent because if you think Gambit did really well and Oxygen did bad, you are delusional. They both were 1 win away from Iceland.
Because of how Gambit performed, everyone has high expectations from CIS rn.
But lets think now, what if CIS had 3 spots and TR had 1 spot in first EMEA qualifiers? We all know other 2 CIS teams would get destroyed. And the team that qualified from TR would be FUT which is the team that performed worst in first EMEA qualifiers. In that scenario, everyone would have low expectations from TR and CIS except Gambit rn. So Gambit will still perform good imo, but 1 team doesnt make a whole region good. I think other 2 CIS teams wont achieve a lot and thats why I think CIS is overrated.

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No we have high expectations of gambit because of what sentinels players have said, what EU players have said and also because they look good in their region specifically about gambit we know the other teams aren't as good as a whole

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I dont know if you read what I said becauae I didnt call Gambit overrated or overhyped at all, I called CIS overrated, if you dont think other teams arent that good then you are literally agreeing with me.

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PrTsty
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I mean we cant really tell until finals start

#5
fontea
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Yeh but like noone is rly hyping up cis it's all gambit is really good Navi look decent but like just outside top 10 EU level

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Mememeister1
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there is NAVI and i wouldn't rule them out but I don't think CIS teams will get rekt I think they might walk all over turkey but SMB will give them a run for their money

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Stratum7
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Yeah this is exactly what I meant by saying people are overrating CIS. Mostly people who has high expactations from Navi. Other CIS teams than Gambit will just dissapoint people with expactations just like TR teams im Iceland qualifiers imo. You are saying CIS teams will walk over TR but how many times have you watched those CIS teams except Gambit? Probably 0-1… people who had high expectations from TR in Iceland qualifiers also watched only 0-1 matches of TR teams.

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we have high expectations because its NAVI and they expect tier 1 results because its a tier 1 org and i have watched gambit a bit and i watched a lot of TR valorant

#10
TinglyPiano
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and TL also said VKS is the best team. We have to take scrim result with a pinch of salt

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ranker11
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people thought gambit and navi would dominate like cs

#8
Stratum7
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Yeah I think navi is not as good as people think

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ranker11
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gambit and navi only dominant in cs but in val they're quite behind the EU teams

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Stratum7
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I wouldnt call Gambit behind EU but ur right about navi.

#12
Mortadelo
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Man you can't base your hole point in the Iceland qualifiers, it is a completely new scene, most rosters have changed. FNC and TL haven't even qualified yet for EMEA....

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Stratum7
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So people can just forget TR and say theyre trash because 2/3 of the teams performed bad in Iceland qualifiers and same people can overhype CIS teams without even watching them but I cant make a prediction based on Iceland qualifiers?

#15
Glycoroldas
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Some people can also say that cned is a bot, or that wardell > cned. Doesn't mean that they are right.

#16
Stratum7
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You are literally saying some people are wrong lmao.
So Can’t I argue with people who I think are wrong?

#26
Glycoroldas
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Yes, exactly. You can argue if you like wasting your time, but your particular statement and subsequently the opinions around it are subjective(sprinkled in with hype from NA Reykjavik teams) as there is currently very little objective evidence around it to settle the matter. You can come back to this matter after the upcoming EMEA tournament, but right now it's all just speculation.

And besides, you must realise that there is very little you can do to change what the 0/8ters actually post until 2/4 TR teams qualify for Berlin. In that case it will be EU who is trash and TR > EMEA.

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I'm pretty sure that no one says Tr is trash because of Iceland qualifiers, they probably say it because they don't like how they play, they don't see them strong or just want to bait Turkish fans. Anyway all of that has nothing to do with CIS level. If turks are strong or not doesn't affect them.

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Stratum7
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Well, your “pretty sure” opinion is wrong then. I am “pretty sure” most of the people who thinks TR is trash are saying thay because of how TR performed in Iceland qualifiers. And like I said, I am “pretty sure”. Also, those people dont even watch TR or CIS that much, they only look at scores and predict. And you are saying they will watch TR matches and analysis how they play? pffffft.

#19
Mortadelo
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No what I said is that or they don't like them or are trying to bait you... successfully

#20
Stratum7
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Literally most of the people in site thinks CIS > TR in arguments that doesnt contain Turkish fans but I am not going to argue with a Spanish Mixwell fan with G2-13 flair.

#21
Mortadelo
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First of all I was defending turks with this
Second, attacking me doesn't solve anything, in fact you are the one salty because people underestimate your country scene and you are a cNed fan with an Acend flair so wtf are you talking about

#22
Stratum7
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mad?

#23
Mortadelo
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Lions?

#30
clocksky888
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No, in no way TR is a trash region. You have a new super team that might go far or Oxygen can surprise and upset some big teams EZ. But it's totally normal to look back and compare results and results didn't look good for TR back then, probabilistically and realistically speaking. Meaning that TR team had some blow and it can be a double blow if they fail this time too. Nothing wrong in trying to succeed after a fail and lots of us actually want to see TR put some real fight, despite being from other countries.

Same could be said about CIS and their teams- - they are actually strong. Be it Forze or Singularity, it won't be a walk in park in EMEA's playoffs. They all had time to prepare some strats and study their opponents, so old Gambit might look quite new and crisp, right? Though, Gambit has a little choking history and, I hope they won't repeat that tendency in their upcoming matches.

#24
thanatos11
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You can’t say say CIS over rated when the team people rate from CIS is gambit

#25
FireII
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Gambit is properly rated as a decently hyped team (to qualify for Berlin). Na'Vi on the other hand... They got rolled by Gambit, even though I do think they will make some noise maybe getting a win against a TR roster or maybe pulling an upset, they are not good enough yet to qualify for Berlin (imo).

#27
hiyo
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Gambit = EU > NAVI > rest of CIS

#28
Torogoro
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The problem with Gambit and why the Sentinels players said it was the best team, is because in praks Gambit they are beasts but in official matches they never play as they show. Several players say that they are the best in praks but officially it is not the same, once said M1xwell

#29
Torogoro
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The Gambits are very good but they don't show it

#31
plebwong
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my guess is that eu and na scrim to practice and experiment and gambit scrim to win.

#32
ranker11
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scrimbux andy

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