Why is it so much more hyped?

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Why CSGO is so much more hyped than valorant?

I have like 100h CSGO, and maybe 10x that in valorant. But watching CSGO is so much more hype always. Maybe the casters?

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Casters is a big one, gameplay, and easy to watch.

Biggest one is the crowd though. The crowd is such a big difference as well. The fact Valorant hasn’t had a lan crowd yet is a joke.

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bro imagine literally nearly 2 years and they still havent have a proper Crowd for a LAN LMAO ITS SO FKING SAD

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It’s pretty bad. I was told this event was going to be a crowd but I guess not. Will champions be? It’s just such a waste to not have one and don’t know what is holding them back. I get riot are stingy but cmon. People want more than these studio lans.

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idk what riot is doing man, like I feel like they should have try for a crowd last year. Then they announce crowds but literally less than a month before event. Traveling such a hassle now and no one is gonna go fly there on such short notice and deal with all the covid rules.

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Who knows. All I can say is that it’s Riot. They are missing out a lot of potential. Very curious if the seating will be limited for the event.

The Brazil major will be hype for CS. They can fill a whole stadium I feel like.

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Bro the brazil major sold out all tickets in 5 mins. It was mental

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They can definitely switch to a bigger venue and sellout. I remember Tarik was talking about it. There was some stadium calling out to host the major there.

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Yes, Easily could have sold 50k+, but already booked. So cant change it

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Well if they find a way to change the venue and transfer the already transferred tickets they could definitely do it. I doubt they would not transfer the already bought tickets. Maybe you can only hope. Brazil will be the place to be though.

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Maracana stadium with 78k capacity which would be sold but again obligations :/

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final weekend will have crowds during 3 days that will decide the top 4 teams next week.

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Upper Bracket Final, Lower Round 3, Lower Final, and Grand Final, will all have a crowd.

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Not to mention only three international tournaments a year, two of which STILL only have 12 teams. Seriously Riot? I don’t know a single person who enjoys the 12 team format, 16 is more interesting and has more possibilities, and teams don’t instantly get seeded to playoffs.

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I also am not the biggest fan of how many chances a team gets in a tournament. For example if a team makes playoffs. They still have a double elimination bracket for whatever reason. Feel like it could be structured better.

I agree though there could be more opportunities for teams. I get it varies for regions. EU has several teams that are competitive but Only 3 can make it. I get they want a more international presence but I think it would be best to have the best teams to play whoever they may be.

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for sure they should expand, especially since the more teams that get lan/international experience, the stronger the esports scene as a whole gets...just look at kru. definitely gotten stronger/improved due to international experience.

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Yeah they definitely have gotten stronger. The only issue I have is wasted spots for teams at events that shouldn’t really be there. They are just there for the international presence. With that being said the expansion of more teams can allow that to happen so that there are teams that may not be great but improve with the experience.
But then you also have teams that deserve to be there.

Imo EU has 7-8 teams that can all win and be competitive but only 3 can make it. Hopefully this makes sense idk. NA has some teams but only one who is consistent is optic.

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well for 1 i think any playoff should be double elim. also i think the 3 lan crap they pulling is bullshit. riot fucking this whole thing up. i hate the idea of franchising this early, but these money hungry douchebags want it. it's insane

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Nah double elimination in playoffs shouldn’t be a thing. So many chances idk. It’s fine for group stages but playoffs is no bueno for me.

Yeah 3 LANs is a joke and riot has always been money hungry and stingy. I mean it shows in the skin market. I would personally buy skins in CS over Val. I just don’t like how you can’t sell anytime. I know people who have spent 1500 in skins and they are stuck with them for life. Just feels overpriced for things you can’t sell.

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this site is known for shit takes but all i hear in this thread is facts

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On jah

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There is a crowd?? it's for the last four matches I believe

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they will have crowd on upperfinals and on

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wait til optic vs paper rex thatll be insane

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DEFINITELY the casters

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It's an actual esport

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I've never played CS but I'm having so much fun watching this match with Tarik rn
It's the casters and the crowd and the production

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try CS my friend, u won't regret trust

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dexter000111

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Tried it on multiple occasions but it's not for me
Game is too dated and unappealing and match making is too toxic (more than valorant)

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Tastes differ I guess...

Either way enjoy ur day mate <3

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Yeah you too man :D

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Mm is definitely not as toxic depending where you live. If you live in Russia or Eastern Europe I can definitely see that.

In NA Valorant toxicity is another level in pugs from my experience. That and the edaters is another experience itself.

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All I'm saying is my first game in mm, I asked how the armours worked and what pistol to buy
The whole team replies with shit like "shut the fuck up and alt F4", "no one cares just do whatever the fuck", "buy barettas" (i guess that's a troll gun ?)
4th round in I got a clutch but didn't know the defuse key and kept pressing 4. No one told me it was e and insted started a vote kick

I've never seen such levels of toxicity in Valorant across both NA and EU across all ranks

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No offense but you kinda brought that on yourself. At least run through the game first so you know the default settings and mechanics. What does what and whatnot. It’s always best to play with a friend at first but cs Doesn’t have the training course like Valorant does so I get that. I’m sure you would be annoyed if people in ur Val game hopped into ranked not knowing the game (assuming they bought the acc).

Idk if people did that in my game I would just assume they are trolling. No doubt there are toxic players but I’ve had worst experiences in Valorant for NA at least.

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Yeah I get that but it was my first game which means it was a low ranking lobby. So people should be understanding enough to help new players. People in valorant definitely are. I mean if I made a smurf account and a newer player asked me something about the game I'd help him properly

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Well the thing with Valorant it has unranked which people like to play. Me personally I could care less about unranked. If I’m gonna play a game I’m gonna play for my rank and to win. Would get bored just playing unrated all day. But unrated is a good way to learn. Cs has an unranked system but it’s not that popular. A good way to learn would be retakes or executes servers.

You might have been a new player but I’m sure your teammates were a bunch of players who are Hardstuck silver. They live and breath that.

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CSGO has to be the most toxic game but we love it. The community is not respectful towards new players cause there are people watching and playing the game for more than 20years and when someone ask them how to buy armour they think its a troll :D

U gotta give it one more shot, download faceit and start playing there...

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and the consistent talent of the actual players.

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dexter000111

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I don't know any of them tho 😅
Besides s1mple of course. Honestly I've heard such great things about s1mple, but he played pretty poorly during the end. Maybe just a bad map

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it's ok, you start picking them up over time. my first event watched was katowice this year. i was on HLTV for some godforsaken reason, and saw the playoffs were happening. i was like ok cool, i'll check this out. and i see m0nesy stomping people, faze starting their dynasty, and one hell of a crowd for esports. pretty cool experience.

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val has like 2 good sets of casters

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Pansy Hypoc whats the other

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Bren and Sideshow (kind of inconsistent, but they can be very hype sometimes) balla is better as an analyst, doug is bad at being exciting, mitch and tom are somewhat funny, kind of, but lazy too.

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doug is great an interviews but dogshit at casting, I agree PanPoc and BrenShow are the two better casting duos, yesterdays casting of LEV XSET round 24 was goated

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Mitch is just screaming

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Ok Mbappe professional footbal player that hails from france.

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Pansy Hypoc are good but still not as good as these CS casters I saw today
They're hyping up the crowd and swearing n shit

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Machine is one of the best casters

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Pansy Hypoc are literally the worst one for me...cause 0 hype...yesterday Sayf aced and they showed 0 hype after that..and they do it always in fuckin EMEA challengers too.

Best duo for sure Bren and Sideshow and its not even close.
SGares and DDK were a good one too

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I watch the japanese and korean broadcast holy do i wish ik their language the casters are so much better and more hype. I have no idea what they're saying either. Just the way they talk and how into it , you can feel the passion they have for the team. idk

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Yes...and the spanish casters are also awesome

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there are 0 good valorant casters

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casters

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Probably because of the legacy CS carries and the size of their fan base. Their games will always be supported by a large amount of people, and the casters are great too

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The Crowd is definitely the biggest factor.

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Casters and crowd. Casters are so much better in csgo dude machine is such a good caster and crowd makes a huge difference

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So many throws and fluke wins in valorant. Maybe in the future when teams are better drilled, it will be as fun to watch as CS.

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better casters better production big crowd music vibe basically everything outside of the game that can be better is better

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They actually have a crowd lol bro valorant been a year and half and still no crowd other than regions like JAPAN. Its so fking sad man

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The crowd is what adds to the atmosphere, the 2020 to 2021 online era was ResidentSleeper for CS as well

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this, if anything valorant is much more fun to watch with different agents, abilities. CS just same shit over and over.

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average tiktok brain needs constant stimulation with different color cartoon splashes
kekw

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0/8 nt, good edit but still 0/8 nt

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it was still more exciting than valo has been for me,its just that cs is more intensive,fast paced and easier to follow

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crowd + casters

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Casters are big reason. Aside from Bren and sideshow there's no good casters

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Obviously the crowd makes the biggest difference. It's also a legacy esport at this point.

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The crowd and casters, the gameplay itself is boring af to watch

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crowd makes the casters better too since they can hype them up and feed off the crowd's energy and excitement

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because europe, when valorant become big in europe then he will have the same hyppe, you being relevant in asia is no big deal europe is the center of the world

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0/8, china rent free in your head

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The caster diff is real, the only caster I liked hearing in valo was seangares and dkk but they got ritoed

I dont even know the name of the valo casters but with all respect they're all very mediocre

Also the riot production is good but nowhere near cs level

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i dont feel like that but its fine.

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crowd and casters Copium (obviously CS casters are better and a crowd is preferred)
but what makes both experiences different is how fast CS is compared to Val (also players are better mechanically and more coordinated, val players can catch up with time).

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i think CS definitely has an advantage in the amount of time it has had to build up storylines, team rivalries, player rivalries, and streamline production. other people mentioned the crowds, but imo it's just unlucky for valo to have come out in the middle of covid so I don't really blame them for that.

tbh where CSGO really shines is that it's understandable for people who haven't played it. I haven't played it, and i still enjoy watching it. i've watch PUBG, CSGO, and overwatch with my dad, and CSGO is the one he will stay and watch with me because he can understand what's happening at a glance. i hope valorant doesn't go too much towards overwatch (even though i really like/d overwatch) because OW is just too hard to figure out wtf is happening with the colors and particle effects.

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production is just better in CSGO, how they cut to crowd, replays, the analasys.
Simple factor is they never miss a frag in CSGO, where as in valorant you can miss someone getting a 4K because your looking an over the top view in the other bombsite.

You do have to remember that the CS franchise is a game that is now 23 years old. Valorant will get there, just takes time.

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bcos val is dying,no one is interested by it and there is zero energy,say goodbye because this site and the game will be dead in ~6 months

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Copium

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Way better casters. Crowd that is usually amazing. Players more hype and iconic. Overall way more visible passion. Even chat is better. And overall it just feels much bigger than Valorant and that makes it more hype for me.

And for gameplay there is way more possibilities for different type of rounds slow and fast because there isn't barriers instead the game just starts and both sides can run and take map control instantly and because of that there's more action usually. And you don't have as much BS like ultis and stuff that can completely change the rounds.

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the casters in valorant are doggy dog trash

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Crowd and being more noob friendly

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csgo is just the best esport to watch as you said it gives much hype. And cs casters are top notch, no other esport come close. Also as many people said it here, cs crowds helps a lot to do hype.

But I believe that if Riot does a good job like in LoL, val will be as prestigious an fps as csgo in the future

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this. everyone knows what riot can do with their tournaments. if valorant came out as the same time as LoL, it would crush the competiton. also the fact that its bloom coincided with covid does not help at all. champions istanbul will show us the potential clearer than ever.

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Fortnite better

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In valorant you get 3 tournaments a year with inconsistent teams thanks to shifting metas. Therefore it’s hard for there to be any rivalries (especially considering some teams play like 2-3 games only) or dominant teams. This makes player recognizability in masters (especially North America/Brazil where new teams come and go) . Scene being on its second year only makes these problems worse imo. Also casters make a difference of course. Valorant lacking a nostalgia factor also plays a part

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Casters bias

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CS has had many years to perfect the their broadcasts; being Y2 of Valorant I am sure Riot will come up with ways to enhance the spectating and the broadcast coming into franchising

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lol

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crowd diff

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better game, better tournies.

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game like fnc vs leviatan with crowd would be same excitement, no?