''fpx with a sub''

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valulrantefanboy

lets be real, last 2 maps showed that DRX were better team overall. Even with Suygetsu, things would be the same

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with suygetsu, it would've been closer, but still drx win

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Agreed

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PrTsty

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What makes you vonfident saying that? Suygetsu is FPX's most valuable player

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was

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He's not off the team

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he is not good anymore, he is fraud

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sentinelmain377

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TF is this.
SUYGETSU is literally the copenhagen berlin nats broooo.
drx wouldnt be close :skull:

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classic tonyhart L

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common PrTsty W

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did not age well huh.

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33 upvotes btw

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aged like milk

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SigmaMale

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Breeze couldve been close but I agree with fracture

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"Even with Suygustu, thing would have been the same"

tell me you are brain dead without telling me you are brain dead.

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ez4EMEA

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B-B-But Suygetsu is only a sentinel player and would provide no value!!

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since_beta

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yeah they just qualified EMEA playing ranked games

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hi :)

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6vine

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Pretty sure that guy was being sarcastic

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Agreed

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Ullyr

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True they look completely lost on fracture and breeze

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Typer

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Nah suygetsu is really good in breeze and things would've been different

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Pumsyslayer

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Bro how much difference can 1 player make though. Is fpx that bad without suygetsu ?

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dapada

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just imagine optic without yay or fnatic without derke, it is that "much difference"

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Vortexy

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yeah huge difference, most likely would have beat guild had he performed better

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Valgod

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Guild shut him down

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Vortexy

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yeah guild did really well, most people aren't giving them enough credit
but still it builds into my point, if he wasn't so reliant on an op and performed just a bit better optic would have most likely won. Fpx got absolutely thrashed the last 2 maps, I really don't see how having suygetsu would have made enough of a difference to help win the last 2 maps. Just like the pervious guy mentioning yay (who ended up essentially losing the match for the rest of the team), how can everyone be so sure suygetsu would have performed really well and won the game for them?

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Typer

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If people have watched suygetsu on breeze it would really make sense

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Vortexy

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same could be said for yay for basically any map

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Typer

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Comparing fpx current situation to optic is stupid .

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Vortexy

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not really, the previous guy was basically saying optic would be almost nothing without yay
yet he was the sole reason optic lost to guild
same here, people are singing praises for suygetsu acting like he would have carried the team to victory (which we have absolutely no way of knowing) despite getting absolutely hammered the last 2 maps. my point is that even if he is extremely good like yay, just like yay he could have still played poorly

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dapada

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yes, even with suygetsu drx may or may not win the match, people are just assuming at this point. but my point stands, fpx without suygetsu is much weaker than fpx with suygetsu.

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Vortexy

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^

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But both maps were still close

FPX got railed 2 maps in a row

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Yeah ikr!! We didnt take the L against guild!! We also didnt get shit on by Leo and the scoreline wasnt 2-0 as well kkkkkkk!!

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Vortexy

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yeah ik, both maps were super close which only emphasizes yay's poor performance (and guild's success in shutting him out) as the difference maker

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Smartest vlr user

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GLN321

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Is this a serious question? How much difference can 1 player make in a game where there are only 5 players and changing one also changes their setups, roles and chemistry?

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Pumsyslayer

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This does not mean if suygetsu isn't playing all 4 other players should shit the bed. If i give example of optic yay was bottomfragging still optic made it competetive. 4 of the original 5 can't even make a map competetive and that too when the sub is playing good?

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Another false analogy, even if yay had a bad end result, the team comms, the roles, the set plays, the chemistry, everything else was still there. Also idk what you mean with “when the sub is playing good” when seider didnt perform. And 4 out of 5 players still made it competitive, they literally won a map

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Pumsyslayer

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All good. Respect your opinion but i respectfully disagree.

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GLN321

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All good

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dapada

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the only valid comparison is fnatic without derke @ iceland, im not saying fpx will win 100% by having suygetsu there, but fpx is stronger with suygetsu

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Typer

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One player absence can make a lot . It effects mentality,synergy,comms .
Imagine going to school and you realise you're best friend isn't coming

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not suprised this take is from an indian with 100t flair

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patuj

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Suygetsu Breeze stats last 3 games:
21/15/6 vs M3C
17/8/4 vs Acend (13-3)
35/10/5 vs Acend
Top frag every match and those numbers don't even do proper justice I feel like. So many important kills and even clutches. His 1.34 K:D on Viper should explain.

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PrTsty

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Thats not how proplay works, they ha dno time to prep with seider. FPX would still be a great team even wjth seider but seider is not on the team, he is just a sub

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Daniveus

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fracture for sure but breeze I would still favor FPX with the full roster.
DRX started on attack both maps that's why the scores look so one-sided and suygetsu always goes crazy on breeze.

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After seeing breeze in map queue I was super confident about Fpx taking it atleast 2-1 but I guess Sugestsu absence felt hard. Breeze was kinda sugestsu's playground. This map felt like liquid playing without Scream on split. Gg go next.

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idk if u watched them play in emea but they usually dont play these comps , they went back cuz they had to play with potentially 2 subs and prep'd with the new comps
and suygetsu is literally their star player like nats or yay

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patuj

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How can you say that when they didn't play with their full roster? You realize how much even 1 sub change the team chemistry and how they play? Especially when that sub can't even put similar individual performances. Its weakened individual talent + change in how the team plays. They even changed comps on Breeze for some reason. I would still give Fracture to DRX just because DRX were playing well against FPX's comp (suygetsu still way better anchor than SEIDER), but Breeze could have gone either way.

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How can you say that when they didn't play with their full roster? You realize how much even 1 sub change the team chemistry and how they play? Especially when that sub can't even put similar individual performances. Its weakened individual talent + change in how the team plays. They even changed comps on Breeze for some reason. I would still give Fracture to DRX just because DRX were playing well against FPX's comp (suygetsu still way better anchor than SEIDER), but Breeze could have gone either way.

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How can you say that when they didn't play with their full roster? You realize how much even 1 sub change the team chemistry and how they play? Especially when that sub can't even put similar individual performances. Its weakened individual talent + change in how the team plays. They even changed comps on Breeze for some reason. I would still give Fracture to DRX just because DRX were playing well against FPX's comp (suygetsu still way better anchor than SEIDER), but Breeze could have gone either way

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xLeo

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Even with Suygetsu, things would be the same

I don't agree with this statement tho I respect your opinion
😊👍

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missionary

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"wE dOn'T hAvE sUyGeTsU" ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

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AirbusLover

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Where you at clown kid? kid ass bitch!

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hello

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weferf

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13-6
Just quit

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totneK_kaT_umkaM

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If a team isn't good with 1 sub. It means that team isn't good.

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since_beta

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how about it means, ratio

#33

totneK_kaT_umkaM

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go cry,
all your opinion is just an excuse if you can't accept facts

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If a team isn't good with 1 sub. It means that team isn't good.

🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓

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orqn

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dont mind him he is baiting

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r0xi3

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So the question arises that If something happens to forsaken and they have to immediately sub him, now they can only get some t2 sub who doesn't even main the same agents. Will they be performing the same way?

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weferf

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Yes

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totneK_kaT_umkaM

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No, but my statement still same.
Because not everyone can play good 24/7. If a player has a bad day it will be better if there's a sub for him.
And as a team adaptive play is one of requirement to be called good.

Now my question, why fpx get seider if he "t2" and doesn't play same agent?
If they can't secure a good sub, and the player can't adapt. Then that TEAM IS NOT GOOD.

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dapada

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cmiiw but they are not allowed to take someone that participates in VCT?

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totneK_kaT_umkaM

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yes they can't,

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r0xi3

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Didn't age well. Time proved me right brotha

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cringe kid

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r0xi3

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Drx lost against shit Fpx. Forget about subs, Drx is shit even full strength. What's the excuse huh?

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Suygetsu is really an important key part of Fpx

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Wylie

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Nonsense. Suygetsu on A site on Breeze would have changed the picture significantly.

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weferf

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So true should be DRX 13-8 FPX with Suygetsu

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Wylie

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Something like that

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r0xi3

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Didn't age well

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AirbusLover

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fucking VLR analysts man

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Daniveus

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cough

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SigmaMale

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Yeah?

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god damn.

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lmaoOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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juraf

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tuff

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LMFAO

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Nisham

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People dont know tayht uppers drx and lb drx are diff teams lol

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bruc

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yea, but let the ema fan have this

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dowameemee

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hello

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BruhhhXdddd

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LooooooLll

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Aged like milk

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heheheheheheheh bye bye DRX

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L TAKE

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aged like a fucking vine

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clocksky888

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... >>>VLR "experts"<<< - LMAO ... judging FPX like they know anything about the game - #GRINGE

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r0xi3

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Yeah they always act as if they know everything. Sider was anyways a local t2 sub who didn't even main the same agents.

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KatZ

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No disrespect to Seider, but he is no way near Suygetsu fire power or chemistry, well thats how subs work.

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WinterZ

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this aged like milk

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enri

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Suygetsu is star player afterall

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WinterZ

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yes he most certainly is and you can see the difference in gameplay from when they had SEIDER and when they had Suygetsu

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enri

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Seider was above my expectations he played really well but I guess suygetsu synergy is another level

#103

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actually gonna win the whole tourney now
lol

#104

seankukuz

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😂 😂 😂 😂 "let's be real" 😂 😂 😂 😂