lets be real, last 2 maps showed that DRX were better team overall. Even with Suygetsu, things would be the same
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Typer [#8]Nah suygetsu is really good in breeze and things would've been different
Bro how much difference can 1 player make though. Is fpx that bad without suygetsu ?
Pumsyslayer [#12]Bro how much difference can 1 player make though. Is fpx that bad without suygetsu ?
just imagine optic without yay or fnatic without derke, it is that "much difference"
How can you say that when they didn't play with their full roster? You realize how much even 1 sub change the team chemistry and how they play? Especially when that sub can't even put similar individual performances. Its weakened individual talent + change in how the team plays. They even changed comps on Breeze for some reason. I would still give Fracture to DRX just because DRX were playing well against FPX's comp (suygetsu still way better anchor than SEIDER), but Breeze could have gone either way.
Pumsyslayer [#12]Bro how much difference can 1 player make though. Is fpx that bad without suygetsu ?
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Pumsyslayer [#12]Bro how much difference can 1 player make though. Is fpx that bad without suygetsu ?
Is this a serious question? How much difference can 1 player make in a game where there are only 5 players and changing one also changes their setups, roles and chemistry?
dapada [#13]just imagine optic without yay or fnatic without derke, it is that "much difference"
yeah huge difference, most likely would have beat guild had he performed better
xLeo [#17]Even with Suygetsu, things would be the same
I don't agree with this statement tho I respect your opinion
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Pumsyslayer [#12]Bro how much difference can 1 player make though. Is fpx that bad without suygetsu ?
One player absence can make a lot . It effects mentality,synergy,comms .
Imagine going to school and you realise you're best friend isn't coming
xLeo [#17]Even with Suygetsu, things would be the same
I don't agree with this statement tho I respect your opinion
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patuj [#14]How can you say that when they didn't play with their full roster? You realize how much even 1 sub change the team chemistry and how they play? Especially when that sub can't even put similar individual performances. Its weakened individual talent + change in how the team plays. They even changed comps on Breeze for some reason. I would still give Fracture to DRX just because DRX were playing well against FPX's comp (suygetsu still way better anchor than SEIDER), but Breeze could have gone either way.
How can you say that when they didn't play with their full roster? You realize how much even 1 sub change the team chemistry and how they play? Especially when that sub can't even put similar individual performances. Its weakened individual talent + change in how the team plays. They even changed comps on Breeze for some reason. I would still give Fracture to DRX just because DRX were playing well against FPX's comp (suygetsu still way better anchor than SEIDER), but Breeze could have gone either way.
Vortexy [#18]yeah huge difference, most likely would have beat guild had he performed better
Guild shut him down
Vortexy [#18]yeah huge difference, most likely would have beat guild had he performed better
But both maps were still close
FPX got railed 2 maps in a row
Pumsyslayer [#12]Bro how much difference can 1 player make though. Is fpx that bad without suygetsu ?
not suprised this take is from an indian with 100t flair
Pumsyslayer [#12]Bro how much difference can 1 player make though. Is fpx that bad without suygetsu ?
Suygetsu Breeze stats last 3 games:
21/15/6 vs M3C
17/8/4 vs Acend (13-3)
35/10/5 vs Acend
Top frag every match and those numbers don't even do proper justice I feel like. So many important kills and even clutches. His 1.34 K:D on Viper should explain.
totneK_kaT_umkaM [#27]If a team isn't good with 1 sub. It means that team isn't good.
how about it means, ratio
since_beta [#4]"Even with Suygustu, thing would have been the same"
tell me you are brain dead without telling me you are brain dead.
B-B-But Suygetsu is only a sentinel player and would provide no value!!
GLN321 [#16]Is this a serious question? How much difference can 1 player make in a game where there are only 5 players and changing one also changes their setups, roles and chemistry?
This does not mean if suygetsu isn't playing all 4 other players should shit the bed. If i give example of optic yay was bottomfragging still optic made it competetive. 4 of the original 5 can't even make a map competetive and that too when the sub is playing good?
babysasuke [#26]But both maps were still close
FPX got railed 2 maps in a row
Yeah ikr!! We didnt take the L against guild!! We also didnt get shit on by Leo and the scoreline wasnt 2-0 as well kkkkkkk!!
since_beta [#29]how about it means, ratio
go cry,
all your opinion is just an excuse if you can't accept facts
Pumsyslayer [#31]This does not mean if suygetsu isn't playing all 4 other players should shit the bed. If i give example of optic yay was bottomfragging still optic made it competetive. 4 of the original 5 can't even make a map competetive and that too when the sub is playing good?
Another false analogy, even if yay had a bad end result, the team comms, the roles, the set plays, the chemistry, everything else was still there. Also idk what you mean with “when the sub is playing good” when seider didnt perform. And 4 out of 5 players still made it competitive, they literally won a map
totneK_kaT_umkaM [#33]go cry,
all your opinion is just an excuse if you can't accept facts
If a team isn't good with 1 sub. It means that team isn't good.
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Valgod [#24]Guild shut him down
yeah guild did really well, most people aren't giving them enough credit
but still it builds into my point, if he wasn't so reliant on an op and performed just a bit better optic would have most likely won. Fpx got absolutely thrashed the last 2 maps, I really don't see how having suygetsu would have made enough of a difference to help win the last 2 maps. Just like the pervious guy mentioning yay (who ended up essentially losing the match for the rest of the team), how can everyone be so sure suygetsu would have performed really well and won the game for them?
babysasuke [#26]But both maps were still close
FPX got railed 2 maps in a row
yeah ik, both maps were super close which only emphasizes yay's poor performance (and guild's success in shutting him out) as the difference maker
GLN321 [#34]Another false analogy, even if yay had a bad end result, the team comms, the roles, the set plays, the chemistry, everything else was still there. Also idk what you mean with “when the sub is playing good” when seider didnt perform. And 4 out of 5 players still made it competitive, they literally won a map
All good. Respect your opinion but i respectfully disagree.
Vortexy [#36]yeah guild did really well, most people aren't giving them enough credit
but still it builds into my point, if he wasn't so reliant on an op and performed just a bit better optic would have most likely won. Fpx got absolutely thrashed the last 2 maps, I really don't see how having suygetsu would have made enough of a difference to help win the last 2 maps. Just like the pervious guy mentioning yay (who ended up essentially losing the match for the rest of the team), how can everyone be so sure suygetsu would have performed really well and won the game for them?
If people have watched suygetsu on breeze it would really make sense
ez4EMEA [#30]B-B-But Suygetsu is only a sentinel player and would provide no value!!
yeah they just qualified EMEA playing ranked games
Typer [#39]If people have watched suygetsu on breeze it would really make sense
same could be said for yay for basically any map
Vortexy [#36]yeah guild did really well, most people aren't giving them enough credit
but still it builds into my point, if he wasn't so reliant on an op and performed just a bit better optic would have most likely won. Fpx got absolutely thrashed the last 2 maps, I really don't see how having suygetsu would have made enough of a difference to help win the last 2 maps. Just like the pervious guy mentioning yay (who ended up essentially losing the match for the rest of the team), how can everyone be so sure suygetsu would have performed really well and won the game for them?
yes, even with suygetsu drx may or may not win the match, people are just assuming at this point. but my point stands, fpx without suygetsu is much weaker than fpx with suygetsu.
Vortexy [#41]same could be said for yay for basically any map
Comparing fpx current situation to optic is stupid .
totneK_kaT_umkaM [#27]If a team isn't good with 1 sub. It means that team isn't good.
So the question arises that If something happens to forsaken and they have to immediately sub him, now they can only get some t2 sub who doesn't even main the same agents. Will they be performing the same way?
dapada [#42]yes, even with suygetsu drx may or may not win the match, people are just assuming at this point. but my point stands, fpx without suygetsu is much weaker than fpx with suygetsu.
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Pumsyslayer [#31]This does not mean if suygetsu isn't playing all 4 other players should shit the bed. If i give example of optic yay was bottomfragging still optic made it competetive. 4 of the original 5 can't even make a map competetive and that too when the sub is playing good?
the only valid comparison is fnatic without derke @ iceland, im not saying fpx will win 100% by having suygetsu there, but fpx is stronger with suygetsu
since_beta [#35]If a team isn't good with 1 sub. It means that team isn't good.
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dont mind him he is baiting
Typer [#43]Comparing fpx current situation to optic is stupid .
not really, the previous guy was basically saying optic would be almost nothing without yay
yet he was the sole reason optic lost to guild
same here, people are singing praises for suygetsu acting like he would have carried the team to victory (which we have absolutely no way of knowing) despite getting absolutely hammered the last 2 maps. my point is that even if he is extremely good like yay, just like yay he could have still played poorly
MourninggStarr [#2]with suygetsu, it would've been closer, but still drx win
What makes you vonfident saying that? Suygetsu is FPX's most valuable player
Pumsyslayer [#12]Bro how much difference can 1 player make though. Is fpx that bad without suygetsu ?
Thats not how proplay works, they ha dno time to prep with seider. FPX would still be a great team even wjth seider but seider is not on the team, he is just a sub
r0xi3 [#45]So the question arises that If something happens to forsaken and they have to immediately sub him, now they can only get some t2 sub who doesn't even main the same agents. Will they be performing the same way?
Yes
r0xi3 [#45]So the question arises that If something happens to forsaken and they have to immediately sub him, now they can only get some t2 sub who doesn't even main the same agents. Will they be performing the same way?
No, but my statement still same.
Because not everyone can play good 24/7. If a player has a bad day it will be better if there's a sub for him.
And as a team adaptive play is one of requirement to be called good.
Now my question, why fpx get seider if he "t2" and doesn't play same agent?
If they can't secure a good sub, and the player can't adapt. Then that TEAM IS NOT GOOD.
totneK_kaT_umkaM [#56]No, but my statement still same.
Because not everyone can play good 24/7. If a player has a bad day it will be better if there's a sub for him.
And as a team adaptive play is one of requirement to be called good.Now my question, why fpx get seider if he "t2" and doesn't play same agent?
If they can't secure a good sub, and the player can't adapt. Then that TEAM IS NOT GOOD.
cmiiw but they are not allowed to take someone that participates in VCT?
tonyhart7 [#57]he is not good anymore, he is fraud
TF is this.
SUYGETSU is literally the copenhagen berlin nats broooo.
drx wouldnt be close :skull:
dapada [#59]cmiiw but they are not allowed to take someone that participates in VCT?
yes they can't,
Wylie [#61]Nonsense. Suygetsu on A site on Breeze would have changed the picture significantly.
So true should be DRX 13-8 FPX with Suygetsu
PrTsty [#50]What makes you vonfident saying that? Suygetsu is FPX's most valuable player
common PrTsty W
Nisham [#73]People dont know tayht uppers drx and lb drx are diff teams lol
yea, but let the ema fan have this
totneK_kaT_umkaM [#56]No, but my statement still same.
Because not everyone can play good 24/7. If a player has a bad day it will be better if there's a sub for him.
And as a team adaptive play is one of requirement to be called good.Now my question, why fpx get seider if he "t2" and doesn't play same agent?
If they can't secure a good sub, and the player can't adapt. Then that TEAM IS NOT GOOD.
Didn't age well. Time proved me right brotha
clocksky888 [#84]... >>>VLR "experts"<<< - LMAO ... judging FPX like they know anything about the game - #GRINGE
Yeah they always act as if they know everything. Sider was anyways a local t2 sub who didn't even main the same agents.
totneK_kaT_umkaM [#27]If a team isn't good with 1 sub. It means that team isn't good.
Drx lost against shit Fpx. Forget about subs, Drx is shit even full strength. What's the excuse huh?
r0xi3 [#94]Yeah they always act as if they know everything. Sider was anyways a local t2 sub who didn't even main the same agents.
No disrespect to Seider, but he is no way near Suygetsu fire power or chemistry, well thats how subs work.
leaddusts [#23]How can you say that when they didn't play with their full roster? You realize how much even 1 sub change the team chemistry and how they play? Especially when that sub can't even put similar individual performances. Its weakened individual talent + change in how the team plays. They even changed comps on Breeze for some reason. I would still give Fracture to DRX just because DRX were playing well against FPX's comp (suygetsu still way better anchor than SEIDER), but Breeze could have gone either way.
How can you say that when they didn't play with their full roster? You realize how much even 1 sub change the team chemistry and how they play? Especially when that sub can't even put similar individual performances. Its weakened individual talent + change in how the team plays. They even changed comps on Breeze for some reason. I would still give Fracture to DRX just because DRX were playing well against FPX's comp (suygetsu still way better anchor than SEIDER), but Breeze could have gone either way
enri [#100]Suygetsu is star player afterall
yes he most certainly is and you can see the difference in gameplay from when they had SEIDER and when they had Suygetsu
WinterZ [#101]yes he most certainly is and you can see the difference in gameplay from when they had SEIDER and when they had Suygetsu
Seider was above my expectations he played really well but I guess suygetsu synergy is another level
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