I see so many people on HLTV act like csgo is somehow harder than valorant,but its just not.The main arguments i see that are being used are the fact that valorant has slower movement then cs(therefore making hitting your shots easier) and easier utility usage (since cs has only 5 pieces of utility,compared to valorant which has a fuckton).But this logic relies on the argument that easier mechanics=easier game,which is a completely flawed way of thinking.Just because its easier to use utility in valorant,doesnt make the entire game easier,because this advantage doesnt only apply to you,it also applies to your enemies.Therefore,because of valorants countless ways of being creative in terms of utility usage you have to be 10 times more aware of things such as positioning,because there are countless ways the enemies can kill you without even having to face you.Sure that also can be said about cs but still if you are in a bad position in a csgo game its nowhere near as punishable as it is in a valorant game.Having an easier time using utlity=having a harder time positioning yourself in a productive way,and having a harder time predicting what your enemies are going to do.Same can be said about valorants slower movement,you are not the only one having an easier time hitting shots,your enemies have the same advantage and therefore therefore it doesnt make the game easier compared to cs,it just means those 2 games have similar mechanics distributed in a different way.And the final argument i see thats being used,is that the valorant pro scene is made up of washed up cs pros.Now where do i begin with this one,first of all Valorant is a new game and its completely logical that its playerbase consists of csgo,apex,fortnite players.There is no ,,original valorant player" because if someone never touched an fps game until valorant came out its impossible to go from being clueless about fps's to pro in just 2 years.And if we stay and look at all the csgo pros who switched to valorant,most of them failed to stay relevant in the scene.Some of them never came close to being good in valorant(happy,skadoodle,dazed,swag,floppy,autimatic) ,others were good at the beginning of the game but once the scene started to develop and other teams started catching up they fell from tier 1 and altough they are still good they are nowhere near the best (sentinels squad,scream,jamppi,zellsis,wippie) and others managed to become way more relevant in valorant then they ever were in cs(boaster,fns,victor,ange1,nukkye) .The point is,its completely normal for the valorant scene to be made of pros of ex something,cause its impossible to go from knowing nothing to mastery in just 2 years,so its obvious those that have experiences of games similar to valorant will have an advantage to those who dont,especially if we are talking about pros here.So being good at cs is not a guarantee you will be good in valorant,because csgo is not a harder game than valorant is,both games have their own mechanics distributed in completely different ways so when it comes to playing professionally,there is no harder game.
CSGO is NOT harder than Valorant
I see so many people on HLTV act like csgo is somehow harder than valorant,but its just not.The main arguments i see that are being used are the fact that valorant has slower movement then cs(therefore making hitting your shots easier) and easier utility usage (since cs has only 5 pieces of utility,compared to valorant which has a fuckton).But this logic relies on the argument that easier mechanics=easier game,which is a completely flawed way of thinking.Just because its easier to use utility in valorant,doesnt make the entire game easier,because this advantage doesnt only apply to you,it also applies to your enemies.Therefore,because of valorants countless ways of being creative in terms of utility usage you have to be 10 times more aware of things such as positioning,because there are countless ways the enemies can kill you without even having to face you.Sure that also can be said about cs but still if you are in a bad position in a csgo game its nowhere near as punishable as it is in a valorant game.Having an easier time using utlity=having a harder time positioning yourself in a productive way,and having a harder time predicting what your enemies are going to do.Same can be said about valorants slower movement,you are not the only one having an easier time hitting shots,your enemies have the same advantage and therefore therefore it doesnt make the game easier compared to cs,it just means those 2 games have similar mechanics distributed in a different way.And the final argument i see thats being used,is that the valorant pro scene is made up of washed up cs pros.Now where do i begin with this one,first of all Valorant is a new game and its completely logical that its playerbase consists of csgo,apex,fortnite players.There is no ,,original valorant player" because if someone never touched an fps game until valorant came out its impossible to go from being clueless about fps's to pro in just 2 years.And if we stay and look at all the csgo pros who switched to valorant,most of them failed to stay relevant in the scene.Some of them never came close to being good in valorant(happy,skadoodle,dazed,swag,floppy,autimatic) ,others were good at the beginning of the game but once the scene started to develop and other teams started catching up they fell from tier 1 and altough they are still good they are nowhere near the best (sentinels squad,scream,jamppi,zellsis,wippie) and others managed to become way more relevant in valorant then they ever were in cs(boaster,fns,victor,ange1,nukkye) .The point is,its completely normal for the valorant scene to be made of pros of ex something,cause its impossible to go from knowing nothing to mastery in just 2 years,so its obvious those that have experiences of games similar to valorant will have an advantage to those who dont,especially if we are talking about pros here.So being good at cs is not a guarantee you will be good in valorant,because csgo is not a harder game than valorant is,both games have their own mechanics distributed in completely different ways so when it comes to playing professionally,there is no harder game.
GLN321 [#3]I can't copy paste all that it hurts my eyes man why do you have to make it so unreadable
I mean if u actually read it he has a point
I see so many people on HLTV act like csgo is somehow harder than valorant,but its just not.The main arguments i see that are being used are the fact that valorant has slower movement then cs(therefore making hitting your shots easier) and easier utility usage (since cs has only 5 pieces of utility,compared to valorant which has a fuckton).But this logic relies on the argument that easier mechanics=easier game,which is a completely flawed way of thinking.Just because its easier to use utility in valorant,doesnt make the entire game easier,because this advantage doesnt only apply to you,it also applies to your enemies.Therefore,because of valorants countless ways of being creative in terms of utility usage you have to be 10 times more aware of things such as positioning,because there are countless ways the enemies can kill you without even having to face you.Sure that also can be said about cs but still if you are in a bad position in a csgo game its nowhere near as punishable as it is in a valorant game.Having an easier time using utlity=having a harder time positioning yourself in a productive way,and having a harder time predicting what your enemies are going to do.Same can be said about valorants slower movement,you are not the only one having an easier time hitting shots,your enemies have the same advantage and therefore therefore it doesnt make the game easier compared to cs,it just means those 2 games have similar mechanics distributed in a different way.And the final argument i see thats being used,is that the valorant pro scene is made up of washed up cs pros.Now where do i begin with this one,first of all Valorant is a new game and its completely logical that its playerbase consists of csgo,apex,fortnite players.There is no ,,original valorant player" because if someone never touched an fps game until valorant came out its impossible to go from being clueless about fps's to pro in just 2 years.And if we stay and look at all the csgo pros who switched to valorant,most of them failed to stay relevant in the scene.Some of them never came close to being good in valorant(happy,skadoodle,dazed,swag,floppy,autimatic) ,others were good at the beginning of the game but once the scene started to develop and other teams started catching up they fell from tier 1 and altough they are still good they are nowhere near the best (sentinels squad,scream,jamppi,zellsis,wippie) and others managed to become way more relevant in valorant then they ever were in cs(boaster,fns,victor,ange1,nukkye) .The point is,its completely normal for the valorant scene to be made of pros of ex something,cause its impossible to go from knowing nothing to mastery in just 2 years,so its obvious those that have experiences of games similar to valorant will have an advantage to those who dont,especially if we are talking about pros here.So being good at cs is not a guarantee you will be good in valorant,because csgo is not a harder game than valorant is,both games have their own mechanics distributed in completely different ways so when it comes to playing professionally,there is no harder game.
TSM_IS_MY_FLAIR [#10]CSGO is mechanically much harder but in terms of learning the game obviously valorant is harder..
Idk i personally find csgo a lot easier mechanically
The strafing + jumping is more forgiving, crabwalking is accurate, and the sprays are way more consistent
"Valorant has slower movement" - It's easier to hit pixel shots in CS than Valorant because when you fast wide peek, it's almost impossible to reactively flick the shot. Pros tried it and they miss a lot.
"Run and gun" - Yes running and gunning happens but thats due to the random bullet tracers of guns like the spectre with low recoil but bigger spread. You cannot run and gun all game without stopping for kills so that's overexaggerated and something that is very rare in pro play and higher elo.
" Too many clown abilities" - That's what makes Valorant unique, the ability to be a tactical shooter with movement mechanics and agent spice.
TLDR: Easier mechanics = even playing field that leads to harder competition. The best players will always be more impactful regardless of how easy the game is.
I see so many people on HLTV act like csgo is somehow harder than valorant,but its just not.The main arguments i see that are being used are the fact that valorant has slower movement then cs(therefore making hitting your shots easier) and easier utility usage (since cs has only 5 pieces of utility,compared to valorant which has a fuckton).But this logic relies on the argument that easier mechanics=easier game,which is a completely flawed way of thinking.Just because its easier to use utility in valorant,doesnt make the entire game easier,because this advantage doesnt only apply to you,it also applies to your enemies.Therefore,because of valorants countless ways of being creative in terms of utility usage you have to be 10 times more aware of things such as positioning,because there are countless ways the enemies can kill you without even having to face you.Sure that also can be said about cs but still if you are in a bad position in a csgo game its nowhere near as punishable as it is in a valorant game.Having an easier time using utlity=having a harder time positioning yourself in a productive way,and having a harder time predicting what your enemies are going to do.Same can be said about valorants slower movement,you are not the only one having an easier time hitting shots,your enemies have the same advantage and therefore therefore it doesnt make the game easier compared to cs,it just means those 2 games have similar mechanics distributed in a different way.And the final argument i see thats being used,is that the valorant pro scene is made up of washed up cs pros.Now where do i begin with this one,first of all Valorant is a new game and its completely logical that its playerbase consists of csgo,apex,fortnite players.There is no ,,original valorant player" because if someone never touched an fps game until valorant came out its impossible to go from being clueless about fps's to pro in just 2 years.And if we stay and look at all the csgo pros who switched to valorant,most of them failed to stay relevant in the scene.Some of them never came close to being good in valorant(happy,skadoodle,dazed,swag,floppy,autimatic) ,others were good at the beginning of the game but once the scene started to develop and other teams started catching up they fell from tier 1 and altough they are still good they are nowhere near the best (sentinels squad,scream,jamppi,zellsis,wippie) and others managed to become way more relevant in valorant then they ever were in cs(boaster,fns,victor,ange1,nukkye) .The point is,its completely normal for the valorant scene to be made of pros of ex something,cause its impossible to go from knowing nothing to mastery in just 2 years,so its obvious those that have experiences of games similar to valorant will have an advantage to those who dont,especially if we are talking about pros here.So being good at cs is not a guarantee you will be good in valorant,because csgo is not a harder game than valorant is,both games have their own mechanics distributed in completely different ways so when it comes to playing professionally,there is no harder game.
Danny [#11]Idk i personally find csgo a lot easier mechanically
The strafing + jumping is more forgiving, crabwalking is accurate, and the sprays are way more consistent
yes in valorant i love it when im holding an angle and i have a pretty good chance of getting killed from someone running spraying...
obviously it happens in every shooter game but in valorant it happens more than 70% of the time
TSM_IS_MY_FLAIR [#10]CSGO is mechanically much harder but in terms of learning the game obviously valorant is harder..
Thats just untrue, learning the mechanics alone in CS is more difficult than learning valorant. Everything is easier to learn in valorant from utility to movement to positioning to just basic map knowledge.
ethanos [#2]I see so many people on HLTV act like csgo is somehow harder than valorant,but its just not.The main arguments i see that are being used are the fact that valorant has slower movement then cs(therefore making hitting your shots easier) and easier utility usage (since cs has only 5 pieces of utility,compared to valorant which has a fuckton).But this logic relies on the argument that easier mechanics=easier game,which is a completely flawed way of thinking.Just because its easier to use utility in valorant,doesnt make the entire game easier,because this advantage doesnt only apply to you,it also applies to your enemies.Therefore,because of valorants countless ways of being creative in terms of utility usage you have to be 10 times more aware of things such as positioning,because there are countless ways the enemies can kill you without even having to face you.Sure that also can be said about cs but still if you are in a bad position in a csgo game its nowhere near as punishable as it is in a valorant game.Having an easier time using utlity=having a harder time positioning yourself in a productive way,and having a harder time predicting what your enemies are going to do.Same can be said about valorants slower movement,you are not the only one having an easier time hitting shots,your enemies have the same advantage and therefore therefore it doesnt make the game easier compared to cs,it just means those 2 games have similar mechanics distributed in a different way.And the final argument i see thats being used,is that the valorant pro scene is made up of washed up cs pros.Now where do i begin with this one,first of all Valorant is a new game and its completely logical that its playerbase consists of csgo,apex,fortnite players.There is no ,,original valorant player" because if someone never touched an fps game until valorant came out its impossible to go from being clueless about fps's to pro in just 2 years.And if we stay and look at all the csgo pros who switched to valorant,most of them failed to stay relevant in the scene.Some of them never came close to being good in valorant(happy,skadoodle,dazed,swag,floppy,autimatic) ,others were good at the beginning of the game but once the scene started to develop and other teams started catching up they fell from tier 1 and altough they are still good they are nowhere near the best (sentinels squad,scream,jamppi,zellsis,wippie) and others managed to become way more relevant in valorant then they ever were in cs(boaster,fns,victor,ange1,nukkye) .The point is,its completely normal for the valorant scene to be made of pros of ex something,cause its impossible to go from knowing nothing to mastery in just 2 years,so its obvious those that have experiences of games similar to valorant will have an advantage to those who dont,especially if we are talking about pros here.So being good at cs is not a guarantee you will be good in valorant,because csgo is not a harder game than valorant is,both games have their own mechanics distributed in completely different ways so when it comes to playing professionally,there is no harder game.
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Danny [#11]Idk i personally find csgo a lot easier mechanically
The strafing + jumping is more forgiving, crabwalking is accurate, and the sprays are way more consistent
rank in valorant and cs? please dont lie
I see so many people on HLTV act like csgo is somehow harder than valorant,but its just not.The main arguments i see that are being used are the fact that valorant has slower movement then cs(therefore making hitting your shots easier) and easier utility usage (since cs has only 5 pieces of utility,compared to valorant which has a fuckton).But this logic relies on the argument that easier mechanics=easier game,which is a completely flawed way of thinking.Just because its easier to use utility in valorant,doesnt make the entire game easier,because this advantage doesnt only apply to you,it also applies to your enemies.Therefore,because of valorants countless ways of being creative in terms of utility usage you have to be 10 times more aware of things such as positioning,because there are countless ways the enemies can kill you without even having to face you.Sure that also can be said about cs but still if you are in a bad position in a csgo game its nowhere near as punishable as it is in a valorant game.Having an easier time using utlity=having a harder time positioning yourself in a productive way,and having a harder time predicting what your enemies are going to do.Same can be said about valorants slower movement,you are not the only one having an easier time hitting shots,your enemies have the same advantage and therefore therefore it doesnt make the game easier compared to cs,it just means those 2 games have similar mechanics distributed in a different way.And the final argument i see thats being used,is that the valorant pro scene is made up of washed up cs pros.Now where do i begin with this one,first of all Valorant is a new game and its completely logical that its playerbase consists of csgo,apex,fortnite players.There is no ,,original valorant player" because if someone never touched an fps game until valorant came out its impossible to go from being clueless about fps's to pro in just 2 years.And if we stay and look at all the csgo pros who switched to valorant,most of them failed to stay relevant in the scene.Some of them never came close to being good in valorant(happy,skadoodle,dazed,swag,floppy,autimatic) ,others were good at the beginning of the game but once the scene started to develop and other teams started catching up they fell from tier 1 and altough they are still good they are nowhere near the best (sentinels squad,scream,jamppi,zellsis,wippie) and others managed to become way more relevant in valorant then they ever were in cs(boaster,fns,victor,ange1,nukkye) .The point is,its completely normal for the valorant scene to be made of pros of ex something,cause its impossible to go from knowing nothing to mastery in just 2 years,so its obvious those that have experiences of games similar to valorant will have an advantage to those who dont,especially if we are talking about pros here.So being good at cs is not a guarantee you will be good in valorant,because csgo is not a harder game than valorant is,both games have their own mechanics distributed in completely different ways so when it comes to playing professionally,there is no harder game.
I see so many people on HLTV act like csgo is somehow harder than valorant,but its just not.The main arguments i see that are being used are the fact that valorant has slower movement then cs(therefore making hitting your shots easier) and easier utility usage (since cs has only 5 pieces of utility,compared to valorant which has a fuckton).But this logic relies on the argument that easier mechanics=easier game,which is a completely flawed way of thinking.Just because its easier to use utility in valorant,doesnt make the entire game easier,because this advantage doesnt only apply to you,it also applies to your enemies.Therefore,because of valorants countless ways of being creative in terms of utility usage you have to be 10 times more aware of things such as positioning,because there are countless ways the enemies can kill you without even having to face you.Sure that also can be said about cs but still if you are in a bad position in a csgo game its nowhere near as punishable as it is in a valorant game.Having an easier time using utlity=having a harder time positioning yourself in a productive way,and having a harder time predicting what your enemies are going to do.Same can be said about valorants slower movement,you are not the only one having an easier time hitting shots,your enemies have the same advantage and therefore therefore it doesnt make the game easier compared to cs,it just means those 2 games have similar mechanics distributed in a different way.And the final argument i see thats being used,is that the valorant pro scene is made up of washed up cs pros.Now where do i begin with this one,first of all Valorant is a new game and its completely logical that its playerbase consists of csgo,apex,fortnite players.There is no ,,original valorant player" because if someone never touched an fps game until valorant came out its impossible to go from being clueless about fps's to pro in just 2 years.And if we stay and look at all the csgo pros who switched to valorant,most of them failed to stay relevant in the scene.Some of them never came close to being good in valorant(happy,skadoodle,dazed,swag,floppy,autimatic) ,others were good at the beginning of the game but once the scene started to develop and other teams started catching up they fell from tier 1 and altough they are still good they are nowhere near the best (sentinels squad,scream,jamppi,zellsis,wippie) and others managed to become way more relevant in valorant then they ever were in cs(boaster,fns,victor,ange1,nukkye) .The point is,its completely normal for the valorant scene to be made of pros of ex something,cause its impossible to go from knowing nothing to mastery in just 2 years,so its obvious those that have experiences of games similar to valorant will have an advantage to those who dont,especially if we are talking about pros here.So being good at cs is not a guarantee you will be good in valorant,because csgo is not a harder game than valorant is,both games have their own mechanics distributed in completely different ways so when it comes to playing professionally,there is no harder game.
razur [#16]u/valorant_fanboy_69, is that really you? 🥺
Oh hi, this guy is faking it, you're razur from reddit? How ru
Howard [#20]ratio
bhutan looking ass go back to your poor country. imagine failing to ratio a sentinels fan kekw
TSM_IS_MY_FLAIR [#10]CSGO is mechanically much harder but in terms of learning the game obviously valorant is harder..
Uhm, no? In CS you have to learn line ups for absolutely everything. Smokes, mollies, nades, flashes, everything.
Every Iron player in Valorant can smoke off entrances to a site perfectly within seconds. In CS you probably have to learn at least 3 line ups per entrance depending on where you are currently on the map.
You need one for standard T-Side, one or two for flank T-Side and one for post plant T-Side & that’s just for one of the entrances on one site on a map. Not even talking about CT side here where it’s even worse bc a good player needs to know line ups for various different spots that he is either hiding in or was forced to fall back to + all the T-Side smokes bc you need to rotate quite a bit, sometimes thru T-spawn or other parts of the map that aren’t CT. Sure, you can play without knowing any of that, but if you want to play at a higher level it’s absolutely needed.
Valorant is the easier game, no question about it. That’s the entire business model of Riot. Take beloved, difficult esports titles & create an easier, more accessible copy of it. That doesn’t mean it’s worse, just means it’s not as hard.
as someone who enjoys playing both of them, i'd say theyre both fun games. But as for difficulty, i have to give it to csgo. But valorant wins the enjoyment
In valorant, you can easily smoke anything you want with agents like omen or brimstone and create super easy popflashes using phoenix, yoru or even reyna because you can see where your flashes are going with the tracers behind the walls n stuff.
Csgo requires you to be creative with nades or learn lineups. I'm only gold nova 2 in cs but i'm forced to learn nade lineups on every map i play. Plus, the spray control and bhopping is definitely harder
If i had to choose one to play for the rest of my life, I'd choose valorant hands down, because Riot actively develops the game, adds new features and fixes bugs. Also you can get creative with the skills and agents, whereas csgo starts to feel very repetitive after some time. Plus, it has a better anti cheat system.
TLDR: both games are fun if you have friends to play with
nairolf1337 [#36]Uhm, no? In CS you have to learn line ups for absolutely everything. Smokes, mollies, nades, flashes, everything.
Every Iron player in Valorant can smoke off entrances to a site perfectly within seconds. In CS you probably have to learn at least 3 line ups per entrance depending on where you are currently on the map.
You need one for standard T-Side, one or two for flank T-Side and one for post plant T-Side & that’s just for one of the entrances on one site on a map. Not even talking about CT side here where it’s even worse bc a good player needs to know line ups for various different spots that he is either hiding in or was forced to fall back to + all the T-Side smokes bc you need to rotate quite a bit, sometimes thru T-spawn or other parts of the map that aren’t CT. Sure, you can play without knowing any of that, but if you want to play at a higher level it’s absolutely needed.
Valorant is the easier game, no question about it. That’s the entire business model of Riot. Take beloved, difficult esports titles & create an easier, more accessible copy of it. That doesn’t mean it’s worse, just means it’s not as hard.
,,every iron player in valorant can smoke off entraces to a site perfectly within seconds"
So what? Once again rellying on the same argument that easier mechanics=easier game.Thats just not true because the easier the utility usage is,the harder it will be for you to predict how enemies are going to use their utlity and therefore positioning is way harder and more punishable in valorant
valorant_fanboy_69 [#34]you aren't me and never will be.
I would have apologised for taking your name if your account was older than mine but it isnt
Howard [#27]ratio
I see so many people on HLTV act like csgo is somehow harder than valorant,but its just not.The main arguments i see that are being used are the fact that valorant has slower movement then cs(therefore making hitting your shots easier) and easier utility usage (since cs has only 5 pieces of utility,compared to valorant which has a fuckton).But this logic relies on the argument that easier mechanics=easier game,which is a completely flawed way of thinking.Just because its easier to use utility in valorant,doesnt make the entire game easier,because this advantage doesnt only apply to you,it also applies to your enemies.Therefore,because of valorants countless ways of being creative in terms of utility usage you have to be 10 times more aware of things such as positioning,because there are countless ways the enemies can kill you without even having to face you.Sure that also can be said about cs but still if you are in a bad position in a csgo game its nowhere near as punishable as it is in a valorant game.Having an easier time using utlity=having a harder time positioning yourself in a productive way,and having a harder time predicting what your enemies are going to do.Same can be said about valorants slower movement,you are not the only one having an easier time hitting shots,your enemies have the same advantage and therefore therefore it doesnt make the game easier compared to cs,it just means those 2 games have similar mechanics distributed in a different way.And the final argument i see thats being used,is that the valorant pro scene is made up of washed up cs pros.Now where do i begin with this one,first of all Valorant is a new game and its completely logical that its playerbase consists of csgo,apex,fortnite players.There is no ,,original valorant player" because if someone never touched an fps game until valorant came out its impossible to go from being clueless about fps's to pro in just 2 years.And if we stay and look at all the csgo pros who switched to valorant,most of them failed to stay relevant in the scene.Some of them never came close to being good in valorant(happy,skadoodle,dazed,swag,floppy,autimatic) ,others were good at the beginning of the game but once the scene started to develop and other teams started catching up they fell from tier 1 and altough they are still good they are nowhere near the best (sentinels squad,scream,jamppi,zellsis,wippie) and others managed to become way more relevant in valorant then they ever were in cs(boaster,fns,victor,ange1,nukkye) .The point is,its completely normal for the valorant scene to be made of pros of ex something,cause its impossible to go from knowing nothing to mastery in just 2 years,so its obvious those that have experiences of games similar to valorant will have an advantage to those who dont,especially if we are talking about pros here.So being good at cs is not a guarantee you will be good in valorant,because csgo is not a harder game than valorant is,both games have their own mechanics distributed in completely different ways so when it comes to playing professionally,there is no harder game.
Howard [#22]ratio
I see so many people on HLTV act like csgo is somehow harder than valorant,but its just not.The main arguments i see that are being used are the fact that valorant has slower movement then cs(therefore making hitting your shots easier) and easier utility usage (since cs has only 5 pieces of utility,compared to valorant which has a fuckton).But this logic relies on the argument that easier mechanics=easier game,which is a completely flawed way of thinking.Just because its easier to use utility in valorant,doesnt make the entire game easier,because this advantage doesnt only apply to you,it also applies to your enemies.Therefore,because of valorants countless ways of being creative in terms of utility usage you have to be 10 times more aware of things such as positioning,because there are countless ways the enemies can kill you without even having to face you.Sure that also can be said about cs but still if you are in a bad position in a csgo game its nowhere near as punishable as it is in a valorant game.Having an easier time using utlity=having a harder time positioning yourself in a productive way,and having a harder time predicting what your enemies are going to do.Same can be said about valorants slower movement,you are not the only one having an easier time hitting shots,your enemies have the same advantage and therefore therefore it doesnt make the game easier compared to cs,it just means those 2 games have similar mechanics distributed in a different way.And the final argument i see thats being used,is that the valorant pro scene is made up of washed up cs pros.Now where do i begin with this one,first of all Valorant is a new game and its completely logical that its playerbase consists of csgo,apex,fortnite players.There is no ,,original valorant player" because if someone never touched an fps game until valorant came out its impossible to go from being clueless about fps's to pro in just 2 years.And if we stay and look at all the csgo pros who switched to valorant,most of them failed to stay relevant in the scene.Some of them never came close to being good in valorant(happy,skadoodle,dazed,swag,floppy,autimatic) ,others were good at the beginning of the game but once the scene started to develop and other teams started catching up they fell from tier 1 and altough they are still good they are nowhere near the best (sentinels squad,scream,jamppi,zellsis,wippie) and others managed to become way more relevant in valorant then they ever were in cs(boaster,fns,victor,ange1,nukkye) .The point is,its completely normal for the valorant scene to be made of pros of ex something,cause its impossible to go from knowing nothing to mastery in just 2 years,so its obvious those that have experiences of games similar to valorant will have an advantage to those who dont,especially if we are talking about pros here.So being good at cs is not a guarantee you will be good in valorant,because csgo is not a harder game than valorant is,both games have their own mechanics distributed in completely different ways so when it comes to playing professionally,there is no harder game.
kapteN [#46]Very simple.
In terms of difficulty:
Mechanics: CS > Valorant
Strategy and coordination: Valorant > CS (though the strategy and coordination in CS pro level is still way above valorant, the ceiling is higher in valorant)
I agree,the point of my post was to prove that there is no harder game between the two and each have different things you need to be good at. And altough this might sound obvious at first i think there are some people especially on HLTV that should read what i said and wake up from the overdose of copium which gave them the mentality ,,csgo harder game,valorant noob game,valorant never going to compete with cs because valorant child game".
kapteN [#46]Very simple.
In terms of difficulty:
Mechanics: CS > Valorant
Strategy and coordination: Valorant > CS (though the strategy and coordination in CS pro level is still way above valorant, the ceiling is higher in valorant)
You also need to know the cooldowns of the skills used by the agents and also footsteps of agents are different from each others
SpreeAL [#48]You also need to know the cooldowns of the skills used by the agents and also footsteps of agents are different from each others
That really doesn't take very long and isn't really hard. A pro cs player could learn those things in a couple days. There is much more detail in cs mechanics, making it harder to learn. And people who have put in the hours will almost always dominate people who haven't. When it comes to valorant mechanics, it is much easier to hit that skill ceiling.
I'm not shitting on valorant, I love the game to death. Valorant is harder in other areas, but cs is objectively harder when it comes to mechanics
valorantfanboy69 [#43]I would have apologised for taking your name if your account was older than mine but it isnt
where did you get the idea from? my old reddit profile?
As someone who play both games in a regular basis I have to say valorant is easier. I dont have to go full tryhard mode in valorant but in cs it feels like if i am not careful/tryhard enough i will get humiliated by the enemy team easily. Basically, valorant allows a bigger room of error than csgo.
Which, is not a problem being an easier game because it appeals more to the general public, for example girls which is basically non existent in csgo enjoys valorant more because the skill ceiling is lower and it is not as hard to learn this game to a decent level.
Bat_Chest [#56]As someone who play both games in a regular basis I have to say valorant is easier. I dont have to go full tryhard mode in valorant but in cs it feels like if i am not careful/tryhard enough i will get humiliated by the enemy team easily. Basically, valorant allows a bigger room of error than csgo.
Which, is not a problem being an easier game because it appeals more to the general public, for example girls which is basically non existent in csgo enjoys valorant more because the skill ceiling is lower and it is not as hard to learn this game to a decent level.
I am talking about playing the game profesionally, not ranked. Csgo requires much less strategy and team coordination then valorant, which makes the experience you have in a faceit game much more similar to one you would have playing in a tournament of your league with an actual team. In valorant that is nowhere near the case, ranked valorant and professional valorant are 2 completely different games, which is why most valorant pros dont even play ranked. Same can be said about some cs pros i know but in comparison there are way more cs pros who play faceit then there are valorant pros who play ranked ,and so therefore that proves you cant compare the difficulty of those games by your experience in ranked, because valorant esports is way harder compared to valorant ranked than csgo esports is compared to csgo ranked.
valorantfanboy69 [#57]I am talking about playing the game profesionally, not ranked. Csgo requires much less strategy and team coordination then valorant, which makes the experience you have in a faceit game much more similar to one you would have playing in a tournament of your league with an actual team. In valorant that is nowhere near the case, ranked valorant and professional valorant are 2 completely different games, which is why most valorant pros dont even play ranked. Same can be said about some cs pros i know but in comparison there are way more cs pros who play faceit then there are valorant pros who play ranked ,and so therefore that proves you cant compare the difficulty of those games by your experience in ranked, because valorant esports is way harder compared to valorant ranked than csgo esports is compared to csgo ranked.
I am talking about playing the game profesionally, not ranked. Csgo requires much less strategy and team coordination then valorant, which makes the experience you have in a faceit game much more similar to one you would have playing in a tournament of your league with an actual team. In valorant that is nowhere near the case, ranked valorant and professional valorant are 2 completely different games, which is why most valorant pros dont even play ranked. Same can be said about some cs pros i know but in comparison there are way more cs pros who play faceit then there are valorant pros who play ranked ,and so therefore that proves you cant compare the difficulty of those games by your experience in ranked, because valorant esports is way harder compared to valorant ranked than csgo esports is compared to csgo ranked.
hiimnsk [#61]theres a reason washed up cs pros and tier 3 players are good in val. /close
And i proved why that point is shit in my thread,but of course csgo fans would rather live in their braindead bubble then understand the truth
Danny [#11]Idk i personally find csgo a lot easier mechanically
The strafing + jumping is more forgiving, crabwalking is accurate, and the sprays are way more consistent
Idk in Valo I find it way easier to aim diff people. Like if you have better aim it's just so much easier to get something out of it without even playing particularly well positionally. CS:GO you have to be perfect with your aim, otherwise the player with better positioning is gonna win.
Mens cs is mechanicaly 'harder' only by fact coz its an old shitty game. Say hello to 2012 let them live in the past.
Cs frogs were always complaining about ceilings and etc since 1.6, then source and cs:go. They even refused molotovs for first two competitive years when they got established coz in previous version of cs there were no molotovs!
These boomers will not exist in esports viewership in near 5 years coz of families and life things. New generations will prefer better game - Valorant.
valorant_fanboy_69 [#32]Oh hi, this guy is faking it, you're razur from reddit? How ru
I'm doing good! Got big news coming up; kinda nervous, but excited. Hope you're doing well!
nutab1e [#53]omg darkzero fan? 🥺
Yeah, mostly a DHBK fan though. They're a goofy bunch that were active on Reddit in the early days.
see so many people on HLTV act like csgo is somehow harder than valorant,but its just not.The main arguments i see that are being used are the fact that valorant has slower movement then cs(therefore making hitting your shots easier) and easier utility usage (since cs has only 5 pieces of utility,compared to valorant which has a fuckton).But this logic relies on the argument that easier mechanics=easier game,which is a completely flawed way of thinking.Just because its easier to use utility in valorant,doesnt make the entire game easier,because this advantage doesnt only apply to you,it also applies to your enemies.Therefore,because of valorants countless ways of being creative in terms of utility usage you have to be 10 times more aware of things such as positioning,because there are countless ways the enemies can kill you without even having to face you.Sure that also can be said about cs but still if you are in a bad position in a csgo game its nowhere near as punishable as it is in a valorant game.Having an easier time using utlity=having a harder time positioning yourself in a productive way,and having a harder time predicting what your enemies are going to do.Same can be said about valorants slower movement,you are not the only one having an easier time hitting shots,your enemies have the same advantage and therefore therefore it doesnt make the game easier compared to cs,it just means those 2 games have similar mechanics distributed in a different way.And the final argument i see thats being used,is that the valorant pro scene is made up of washed up cs pros.Now where do i begin with this one,first of all Valorant is a new game and its completely logical that its playerbase consists of csgo,apex,fortnite players.There is no ,,original valorant player" because if someone never touched an fps game until valorant came out its impossible to go from being clueless about fps's to pro in just 2 years.And if we stay and look at all the csgo pros who switched to valorant,most of them failed to stay relevant in the scene.Some of them never came close to being good in valorant(happy,skadoodle,dazed,swag,floppy,autimatic) ,others were good at the beginning of the game but once the scene started to develop and other teams started catching up they fell from tier 1 and altough they are still good they are nowhere near the best (sentinels squad,scream,jamppi,zellsis,wippie) and others managed to become way more relevant in valorant then they ever were in cs(boaster,fns,victor,ange1,nukkye) .The point is,its completely normal for the valorant scene to be made of pros of ex something,cause its impossible to go from knowing nothing to mastery in just 2 years,so its obvious those that have experiences of games similar to valorant will have an advantage to those who dont,especially if we are talking about pros here.So being good at cs is not a guarantee you will be good in valorant,because csgo is not a harder game than valorant is,both games have their own mechanics distributed in completely different ways so when it comes to playing professionally,there is no harder game.
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alexxx [#68]see so many people on HLTV act like csgo is somehow harder than valorant,but its just not.The main arguments i see that are being used are the fact that valorant has slower movement then cs(therefore making hitting your shots easier) and easier utility usage (since cs has only 5 pieces of utility,compared to valorant which has a fuckton).But this logic relies on the argument that easier mechanics=easier game,which is a completely flawed way of thinking.Just because its easier to use utility in valorant,doesnt make the entire game easier,because this advantage doesnt only apply to you,it also applies to your enemies.Therefore,because of valorants countless ways of being creative in terms of utility usage you have to be 10 times more aware of things such as positioning,because there are countless ways the enemies can kill you without even having to face you.Sure that also can be said about cs but still if you are in a bad position in a csgo game its nowhere near as punishable as it is in a valorant game.Having an easier time using utlity=having a harder time positioning yourself in a productive way,and having a harder time predicting what your enemies are going to do.Same can be said about valorants slower movement,you are not the only one having an easier time hitting shots,your enemies have the same advantage and therefore therefore it doesnt make the game easier compared to cs,it just means those 2 games have similar mechanics distributed in a different way.And the final argument i see thats being used,is that the valorant pro scene is made up of washed up cs pros.Now where do i begin with this one,first of all Valorant is a new game and its completely logical that its playerbase consists of csgo,apex,fortnite players.There is no ,,original valorant player" because if someone never touched an fps game until valorant came out its impossible to go from being clueless about fps's to pro in just 2 years.And if we stay and look at all the csgo pros who switched to valorant,most of them failed to stay relevant in the scene.Some of them never came close to being good in valorant(happy,skadoodle,dazed,swag,floppy,autimatic) ,others were good at the beginning of the game but once the scene started to develop and other teams started catching up they fell from tier 1 and altough they are still good they are nowhere near the best (sentinels squad,scream,jamppi,zellsis,wippie) and others managed to become way more relevant in valorant then they ever were in cs(boaster,fns,victor,ange1,nukkye) .The point is,its completely normal for the valorant scene to be made of pros of ex something,cause its impossible to go from knowing nothing to mastery in just 2 years,so its obvious those that have experiences of games similar to valorant will have an advantage to those who dont,especially if we are talking about pros here.So being good at cs is not a guarantee you will be good in valorant,because csgo is not a harder game than valorant is,both games have their own mechanics distributed in completely different ways so when it comes to playing professionally,there is no harder game.
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ModerateNiPFanboy [#63]Idk in Valo I find it way easier to aim diff people. Like if you have better aim it's just so much easier to get something out of it without even playing particularly well positionally. CS:GO you have to be perfect with your aim, otherwise the player with better positioning is gonna win.
I disagree pretty hard. For one thing not every valorant agent has the same escape capabilities as everyone in csgo has.
In csgo everyone has a molly, flash, and smoke, so if you get stuck somewhere it's pretty easy to just popflash or smoke out. Compare that to iv you're playing Killjoy or something and get stuck. You have far less that gives you the chance to escape
also in CSGO the movement is faster so it's easier to swing and shoot someone before they have time to react
I see so many people on HLTV act like csgo is somehow harder than valorant,but its just not.The main arguments i see that are being used are the fact that valorant has slower movement then cs(therefore making hitting your shots easier) and easier utility usage (since cs has only 5 pieces of utility,compared to valorant which has a fuckton).But this logic relies on the argument that easier mechanics=easier game,which is a completely flawed way of thinking.Just because its easier to use utility in valorant,doesnt make the entire game easier,because this advantage doesnt only apply to you,it also applies to your enemies.Therefore,because of valorants countless ways of being creative in terms of utility usage you have to be 10 times more aware of things such as positioning,because there are countless ways the enemies can kill you without even having to face you.Sure that also can be said about cs but still if you are in a bad position in a csgo game its nowhere near as punishable as it is in a valorant game.Having an easier time using utlity=having a harder time positioning yourself in a productive way,and having a harder time predicting what your enemies are going to do.Same can be said about valorants slower movement,you are not the only one having an easier time hitting shots,your enemies have the same advantage and therefore therefore it doesnt make the game easier compared to cs,it just means those 2 games have similar mechanics distributed in a different way.And the final argument i see thats being used,is that the valorant pro scene is made up of washed up cs pros.Now where do i begin with this one,first of all Valorant is a new game and its completely logical that its playerbase consists of csgo,apex,fortnite players.There is no ,,original valorant player" because if someone never touched an fps game until valorant came out its impossible to go from being clueless about fps's to pro in just 2 years.And if we stay and look at all the csgo pros who switched to valorant,most of them failed to stay relevant in the scene.Some of them never came close to being good in valorant(happy,skadoodle,dazed,swag,floppy,autimatic) ,others were good at the beginning of the game but once the scene started to develop and other teams started catching up they fell from tier 1 and altough they are still good they are nowhere near the best (sentinels squad,scream,jamppi,zellsis,wippie) and others managed to become way more relevant in valorant then they ever were in cs(boaster,fns,victor,ange1,nukkye) .The point is,its completely normal for the valorant scene to be made of pros of ex something,cause its impossible to go from knowing nothing to mastery in just 2 years,so its obvious those that have experiences of games similar to valorant will have an advantage to those who dont,especially if we are talking about pros here.So being good at cs is not a guarantee you will be good in valorant,because csgo is not a harder game than valorant is,both games have their own mechanics distributed in completely different ways so when it comes to playing professionally,there is no harder game.I see so many people on HLTV act like csgo is somehow harder than valorant,but its just not.The main arguments i see that are being used are the fact that valorant has slower movement then cs(therefore making hitting your shots easier) and easier utility usage (since cs has only 5 pieces of utility,compared to valorant which has a fuckton).But this logic relies on the argument that easier mechanics=easier game,which is a completely flawed way of thinking.Just because its easier to use utility in valorant,doesnt make the entire game easier,because this advantage doesnt only apply to you,it also applies to your enemies.Therefore,because of valorants countless ways of being creative in terms of utility usage you have to be 10 times more aware of things such as positioning,because there are countless ways the enemies can kill you without even having to face you.Sure that also can be said about cs but still if you are in a bad position in a csgo game its nowhere near as punishable as it is in a valorant game.Having an easier time using utlity=having a harder time positioning yourself in a productive way,and having a harder time predicting what your enemies are going to do.Same can be said about valorants slower movement,you are not the only one having an easier time hitting shots,your enemies have the same advantage and therefore therefore it doesnt make the game easier compared to cs,it just means those 2 games have similar mechanics distributed in a different way.And the final argument i see thats being used,is that the valorant pro scene is made up of washed up cs pros.Now where do i begin with this one,first of all Valorant is a new game and its completely logical that its playerbase consists of csgo,apex,fortnite players.There is no ,,original valorant player" because if someone never touched an fps game until valorant came out its impossible to go from being clueless about fps's to pro in just 2 years.And if we stay and look at all the csgo pros who switched to valorant,most of them failed to stay relevant in the scene.Some of them never came close to being good in valorant(happy,skadoodle,dazed,swag,floppy,autimatic) ,others were good at the beginning of the game but once the scene started to develop and other teams started catching up they fell from tier 1 and altough they are still good they are nowhere near the best (sentinels squad,scream,jamppi,zellsis,wippie) and others managed to become way more relevant in valorant then they ever were in cs(boaster,fns,victor,ange1,nukkye) .The point is,its completely normal for the valorant scene to be made of pros of ex something,cause its impossible to go from knowing nothing to mastery in just 2 years,so its obvious those that have experiences of games similar to valorant will have an advantage to those who dont,especially if we are talking about pros here.So being good at cs is not a guarantee you will be good in valorant,because csgo is not a harder game than valorant is,both games have their own mechanics distributed in completely different ways so when it comes to playing professionally,there is no harder game.I see so many people on HLTV act like csgo is somehow harder than valorant,but its just not.The main arguments i see that are being used are the fact that valorant has slower movement then cs(therefore making hitting your shots easier) and easier utility usage (since cs has only 5 pieces of utility,compared to valorant which has a fuckton).But this logic relies on the argument that easier mechanics=easier game,which is a completely flawed way of thinking.Just because its easier to use utility in valorant,doesnt make the entire game easier,because this advantage doesnt only apply to you,it also applies to your enemies.Therefore,because of valorants countless ways of being creative in terms of utility usage you have to be 10 times more aware of things such as positioning,because there are countless ways the enemies can kill you without even having to face you.Sure that also can be said about cs but still if you are in a bad position in a csgo game its nowhere near as punishable as it is in a valorant game.Having an easier time using utlity=having a harder time positioning yourself in a productive way,and having a harder time predicting what your enemies are going to do.Same can be said about valorants slower movement,you are not the only one having an easier time hitting shots,your enemies have the same advantage and therefore therefore it doesnt make the game easier compared to cs,it just means those 2 games have similar mechanics distributed in a different way.And the final argument i see thats being used,is that the valorant pro scene is made up of washed up cs pros.Now where do i begin with this one,first of all Valorant is a new game and its completely logical that its playerbase consists of csgo,apex,fortnite players.There is no ,
nairolf1337 [#36]Uhm, no? In CS you have to learn line ups for absolutely everything. Smokes, mollies, nades, flashes, everything.
Every Iron player in Valorant can smoke off entrances to a site perfectly within seconds. In CS you probably have to learn at least 3 line ups per entrance depending on where you are currently on the map.
You need one for standard T-Side, one or two for flank T-Side and one for post plant T-Side & that’s just for one of the entrances on one site on a map. Not even talking about CT side here where it’s even worse bc a good player needs to know line ups for various different spots that he is either hiding in or was forced to fall back to + all the T-Side smokes bc you need to rotate quite a bit, sometimes thru T-spawn or other parts of the map that aren’t CT. Sure, you can play without knowing any of that, but if you want to play at a higher level it’s absolutely needed.
Valorant is the easier game, no question about it. That’s the entire business model of Riot. Take beloved, difficult esports titles & create an easier, more accessible copy of it. That doesn’t mean it’s worse, just means it’s not as hard.
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