1,chronicle-god
2.derke-dont peek him
3.nats-no explanation required
4.yayster-diablo
5.nukkye-igl,insane agent pool, insane aim
6.cned-still best oper
7.leaf-1 singular leaf
8.sheydos-looks scary
9.sacy/redgar-bald eagle/best igl
10.trent/saya-bitter gourd
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Ryyaaannnn [#2]cryocells? COPIUM
Cryo did look insane but I don't think he's better than anyone on this list. There's just so many good players at the moment!
Rabbiit [#4]We need Heat there
Lowkey agree with this, his performance was crazy. He was the only piece of life in vivo keyd.
delusional_sentinels_fan1 [#7]If you're gonna make a ranking that isn't extremely recency biased I think yay over Derke just makes sense. He's been far more consistent for longer than Derke who was in a slump in between stage 3 and LCQ.
Yeah it's kinda weird, as soon as they qualified he stopped looking as good.
Dr_DoofenshmirtZ [#6]lol no
We need it, my man is killing 107 and losing, he deserves some attention Sadge
Rabbiit [#4]We need Heat there
Heat continuously plays against trash opposition except for against loud.
NIP literally have a one trick reyna who is trash & they still lost to them.
Sacy deserved-FEAR THE BALD
Rabbiit [#11]We need it, my man is killing 107 and losing, he deserves some attention Sadge
tell me one guy hes better than in this list
Ultimate6989 [#9]Redgar instead of sacy, as he's been in amazing form, and is an igl god
actually i agree
Omega_lul [#12]Heat continuously plays against trash opposition except for against loud.
NIP literally have a one trick reyna who is trash & they still lost to them.
Sacy deserved-FEAR THE BALD
Like, Heat proved his performance in masters and champions, clearly a differentiated player, but i agree, the bald deserves it
Zaynio [#15]This almost seems like a list made just by looking at names that come to mind (without factoring in recent results) and publicity.
Still accurate for the most part, but I'm not sure if I agree with the numbering of the players.
then tell me what u would change
Dr_DoofenshmirtZ [#14]tell me one guy hes better than in this list
Well, I might get scolded for saying this, but if you're considering current performance, you could replace Cned, Trent/Saya, Sacy, and I dare say Yay.
And again, to point out, right now performance ,if you're considering it from last year I think for a team that didn't make the playoffs like VK, Heat performance is abnormal.
Zaynio [#15]This almost seems like a list made just by looking at names that come to mind (without factoring in recent results) and publicity.
Still accurate for the most part, but I'm not sure if I agree with the numbering of the players.
every top players list is like that lol
Rabbiit [#21]Well, I might get scolded for saying this, but if you're considering current performance, you could replace Cned, Trent/Saya, Sacy, and I dare say Yay.
And again, to point out, right now performance ,if you're considering it from last year I think for a team that didn't make the playoffs like VK, Heat performance is abnormal.
hes good but bro cmon, u could make an argument for him over trent/saya
but him over cned,sacy,yay is braindead
Dr_DoofenshmirtZ [#18]then tell me what u would change
I'm going to be honest, I haven't been impressed by cNed or Nats as of lately so I kinda impulsively judged the list impartially when seeing the part about "best oper" and "no explanation required." I think this list should include players like Valyn, Shao, Ange1, or even players like NeT.
I personally think that there is too much praise for cNed and Nats as of recently. Could just be me though.
Zaynio [#27]I'm going to be honest, I haven't been impressed by cNed or Nats as of lately so I kinda impulsively judged the list impartially when seeing the part about "best oper" and "no explanation required." I think this list should include players like Valyn, Shao, Ange1, or even players like NeT.
I personally think that there is too much praise for cNed and Nats as of recently. Could just be me though.
nats has been playing really well recently
idk what matches u been watching but cned i get
thats why i even put him at 6
but he still was doing as much as he can is all the matches
Dr_DoofenshmirtZ [#29]nats has been playing really well recently
idk what matches u been watching but cned i get
thats why i even put him at 6
but he still was doing as much as he can is all the matches
I guess. Maybe my bias to Nats is a bit extreme (still definetly a solid player), I just don't believe he is a no.3 player at the moment. With regards to cNed, my problem with him is almost the exact same problem I have for tenZ (still a bit different as tenZ is far more inconsistent). Big and flashy player that gets the kills but not necessarily the impact that the team needs.
Zaynio [#31]I guess. Maybe my bias to Nats is a bit extreme (still definetly a solid player), I just don't believe he is a no.3 player at the moment. With regards to cNed, my problem with him is almost the exact same problem I have for tenZ (still a bit different as tenZ is far more inconsistent). Big and flashy player that gets the kills but not necessarily the impact that the team needs.
cned is very consistent
and also has huge impact on the team
lets be honest acend without cned is mediocre at best but the diff cned makes is insane
Dr_DoofenshmirtZ [#33]cned is very consistent
and also has huge impact on the team
lets be honest acend without cned is mediocre at best but the diff cned makes is insane
cNed is definitely consistent but I just feel like the difference between him and other players isn't that wide. I'll concede that acend without cNed would literally fall apart and that cNed is a crucial core. But it is because of that, that Acend fell pretty badly this time around for challengers.
mine
- aspas - 286.5 ACS (587 round)
- cryocells 266.3 (705 round)
- nukkye - 258.1 ACS (548 round); igl
- leaf - 267.1 ACS (581 round)
- johnolsen - 298.9 ACS (355 round)
- f0rsaken - 269.4 ACS (340 round)
- keznit - 286 ACS (113 round)
- chronicle - 241.8 ACS from 406 round; non-duelist player
- zander - 240.1 ACS (639 round); non-duelist player, igl
- sScary - 243.1 ACS (467 round); non-duelist player, controller
- Derke - 250.7 ACS (426 round)
- Trent - 229.1 ACS (866 round); non-duelist player
- sacy - 229.7 ACS from 587 round; non-duelist player
- wannafly - 255 ACS (288 round); non-duelist player
wdyt
ItsMeDio [#38]mine
- aspas - 286.5 ACS (587 round)
- cryocells 266.3 (705 round)
- nukkye - 258.1 ACS (548 round); igl
- leaf - 267.1 ACS (581 round)
- johnolsen - 298.9 ACS (355 round)
- f0rsaken - 269.4 ACS (340 round)
- keznit - 286 ACS (113 round)
- chronicle - 241.8 ACS from 406 round; non-duelist player
- zander - 240.1 ACS (639 round); non-duelist player, igl
- sScary - 243.1 ACS (467 round); non-duelist player, controller
- Derke - 250.7 ACS (426 round)
- Trent - 229.1 ACS (866 round); non-duelist player
- sacy - 229.7 ACS from 587 round; non-duelist player
- wannafly - 255 ACS (288 round); non-duelist player
wdyt
I think that it's very unfair because most of these players compete in weak regions.
Dr_DoofenshmirtZ [#24]hes good but bro cmon, u could make an argument for him over trent/saya
but him over cned,sacy,yay is braindead
Well, that's what I said, at that moment, Heat is above these players in my opinion, I'm not a analyst, but I watch all vcts except apac, and currently Heat is insane. But I understand your point, and after all, Heat is not in Masters, so I'm sad.
Note: Funny how I speak my opinion and I get downvoted KEKW
ItsMeDio [#38]mine
- aspas - 286.5 ACS (587 round)
- cryocells 266.3 (705 round)
- nukkye - 258.1 ACS (548 round); igl
- leaf - 267.1 ACS (581 round)
- johnolsen - 298.9 ACS (355 round)
- f0rsaken - 269.4 ACS (340 round)
- keznit - 286 ACS (113 round)
- chronicle - 241.8 ACS from 406 round; non-duelist player
- zander - 240.1 ACS (639 round); non-duelist player, igl
- sScary - 243.1 ACS (467 round); non-duelist player, controller
- Derke - 250.7 ACS (426 round)
- Trent - 229.1 ACS (866 round); non-duelist player
- sacy - 229.7 ACS from 587 round; non-duelist player
- wannafly - 255 ACS (288 round); non-duelist player
wdyt
Bruh
Zaynio [#34]cNed is definitely consistent but I just feel like the difference between him and other players isn't that wide. I'll concede that acend without cNed would literally fall apart and that cNed is a crucial core. But it is because of that, that Acend fell pretty badly this time around for challengers.
just say it. wardell > cned any fking day on op. also acend without zeek literally fell apart. zeek and starxo does a shit ton of work in acend. it's far from cNed and friends team. also nAts has been playing DOGSHIT recently. he's not even in top 20 let alone top 3. the only match he played good was against LDN and NAVI 2 trash teams. he's lurking playstyle doesn't work anymore against good teams as they know how he plays. he's consistently playing bad and i might as well as say he's one of the reason gambit is losing. he's not having any impact in the game. the lurking playstyle doesn't work anymore. also cNed doesn't make any diff now. he literally got diffed every match this tournament except against SMB (cause izzy is trash. russ was way better jett and a player than izzy). this isn't 2020 or the first half of 2021.
CrimsonPride [#46]i guess KR doesn't exist.
Imagine Riot still gives Korea and Japan free spots to Masters in 2022...
Allan [#47]Imagine Riot still gives Korea and Japan free spots to Masters in 2022...
you are braindead. all good no worrys
Dr_DoofenshmirtZ [#19]not comparable to anyone in this list
they are both so much better than saya or trent even sheydos maybe
killjoysfriday [#50]they are both so much better than saya or trent even sheydos maybe
sheydos farms those 2 anyday of the week
CrimsonPride [#49]you are braindead. all good no worrys
kr has insane team play and utility use , but theres no one that insane individually
number1_MIBR_hater [#52]Currently Saadhak is better than sacy
I don't think it's that easy to tell just from ACS
not saying either is better than the other but their greatest contribution is in the team culture
hekzy [#40]I think that it's very unfair because most of these players compete in weak regions.
ratio + keznit owns you.
Nah, jokes aside, i think it's hard to made a list with players from all around the world considering the amount of international tournaments, but ACS is a good reference to at least mention players that have real impact in games.
hekzy [#40]I think that it's very unfair because most of these players compete in weak regions.
Yeah man it’s unfair to put these NA players against the better regions
Rabbiit [#41]Well, that's what I said, at that moment, Heat is above these players in my opinion, I'm not a analyst, but I watch all vcts except apac, and currently Heat is insane. But I understand your point, and after all, Heat is not in Masters, so I'm sad.
Note: Funny how I speak my opinion and I get downvoted KEKW
i didn't watch any brazil vct but isn't aspas better than heat?
Dr_DoofenshmirtZ [#53]kr has insane team play and utility use , but theres no one that insane individually
Lakia?? Still Probably a top 5 Sova World
elayaCL [#62]ratio + keznit owns you.
Nah, jokes aside, i think it's hard to made a list with players from all around the world considering the amount of international tournaments, but ACS is a good reference to at least mention players that have real impact in games.
Fr it's easier to wait for masters
frake_monster [#68]i didn't watch any brazil vct but isn't aspas better than heat?
Aspas is really good but as a jett player individually heat is better. He's not that good at awping imo, but his rifling is top tier. Aspas just had the better team so it made him player better against Heat.
Tokyo777 [#72]TITLE IS WRONG
top 10 players from NA and EU
well i guess chronicle, nats, redgar, sacy are from na/eu
Dr_DoofenshmirtZ [#79]well i guess chronicle, nats, redgar, sacy are from na/eu
i mean emea...and sacy shoudnt be in that list tbh
TheLastFlames [#71]Aspas is really good but as a jett player individually heat is better. He's not that good at awping imo, but his rifling is top tier. Aspas just had the better team so it made him player better against Heat.
yeah could be anyway i feel like LOUD is great team and i hope they can compete against EU and NA
Top 5:
- Nukkye
- Chronicle
- Derke
- Yay
- Nats
As long as you are not LAN proven you do not belong in a top 10 let alone a top 5 list. Leaf didn´t play nearly as good on LAN, same goes especially for TenZ. Neither Trent or Cryo went to a lan before, so there is no way they should be here.
This is only about the current form of the players, for all the people wondering why cNed isn´t here. I still think cNed in first strike was the highest peak we have ever seen from a player.
Na1myy [#80]
- Event + online. If he does the same stuff on lan we can talk.
fair point. however 4th place curse will remain so it wont happen sadge
Ryyaaannnn [#86]fair point. however 4th place curse will remain so it wont happen sadge
To be fair, it is very hard to rank players in val when there are no events.
zardinez [#5]Cryo did look insane but I don't think he's better than anyone on this list. There's just so many good players at the moment!
cryocells > saya in player but saya is more lovable
frake_monster [#68]i didn't watch any brazil vct but isn't aspas better than heat?
Aspas is very good, but what makes him shine is the support of the rest of the team with flashes, spots, etc, which facilitates his performance, but as an individual player Heat is the best in Br without a doubt
CrimsonPride [#49]you are braindead. all good no worrys
Flag checks out, US brain :D
Name a worse region than KR/JP.
Only VS/NUTURN did well in S tier events and that's it.
Na1myy [#83]Top 5:
- Nukkye
- Chronicle
- Derke
- Yay
- Nats
As long as you are not LAN proven you do not belong in a top 10 let alone a top 5 list. Leaf didn´t play nearly as good on LAN, same goes especially for TenZ. Neither Trent or Cryo went to a lan before, so there is no way they should be here.
This is only about the current form of the players, for all the people wondering why cNed isn´t here. I still think cNed in first strike was the highest peak we have ever seen from a player.
leaf played very well in champs
I think leo and shao deserve to be there but for some reason people in this game only put players that have been to international lans in their lists but those 2 man, fucking animals easily better than 8 to 10 and have potential to reach top3 if not top3 material already, if they made it to lan they would instantly be in everybody list, sucks that no1 takes into account players like them who have been top in their region but were not lucky enough to make it to lan
idkbro [#96]I think leo and shao deserve to be there but for some reason people in this game only put players that have been to international lans in their lists but those 2 man, fucking animals easily better than 8 to 10 and have potential to reach top3 if not top3 material already, if they made it to lan they would instantly be in everybody list, sucks that no1 takes into account players like them who have been top in their region but were not lucky enough to make it to lan
leo hasnt been looking that insane recently
shao i get tho, hes insane
Dr_DoofenshmirtZ [#97]leo hasnt been looking that insane recently
shao i get tho, hes insane
ye u are right but still, guild has some big issues rn imo, just imagine how good leo is that him not doing that good recently he is still one of the top rated players in emea challengers also he can be the best players itw at any agent expect probably duelists (his reyna was good tho), he was the best astra when he played, one of the best sova in lcq, best omen, best sage, best breach, just at his stats, its doesnt make any sense, if he got signed by a team who makes lan frequently like liquid/fnatic he would be regarded as a top5 player itw but no1 cares about players like him who dont have a big following
idkbro [#96]I think leo and shao deserve to be there but for some reason people in this game only put players that have been to international lans in their lists but those 2 man, fucking animals easily better than 8 to 10 and have potential to reach top3 if not top3 material already, if they made it to lan they would instantly be in everybody list, sucks that no1 takes into account players like them who have been top in their region but were not lucky enough to make it to lan
Big Guild fan here... but no. While they are still underrated and should get talked more, Leo is definetly not deserving of this list. Sayf could be, and is in my eyes a strong contednder for top 10 players rn.
Shao is one of the better team & support players, and is probably the most valuable player on FPX as of right now. Top 10? Heavily debatable, just because FPX as a unit is strong af and they do not rely on any individual to pop off to win, it is hard to rank him. But again, in my eyes - 4 out of 5 FPX players belong on like Top 20-25 players list.
W for pointing them out tho, wish more people talked about them.
doosean [#99]Big Guild fan here... but no. While they are still underrated and should get talked more, Leo is definetly not deserving of this list. Sayf could be, and is in my eyes a strong contednder for top 10 players rn.
Shao is one of the better team & support players, and is probably the most valuable player on FPX as of right now. Top 10? Heavily debatable, just because FPX as a unit is strong af and they do not rely on any individual to pop off to win, it is hard to rank him. But again, in my eyes - 4 out of 5 FPX players belong on like Top 20-25 players list.W for pointing them out tho, wish more people talked about them.
completely disagree with you, sayf is close to leo if he plays on support but still leo is way better than him imo, sayf doesnt look good at all in duelist atm imo, doesnt look like a top jett mechanically + too smart to just be an entry fragger, leo and shao deserve to be in the top 10 list, only reason holding them back is exposure to international fans, specially leo, weird that a guild fan is underrating leo wtf, I have never seen a bigger carry in my life, also fnatic flair I guess you just like Guild but its not your main team, otherwise pretty sad if you are just fan of multiple top teams
Not trying to sound aggressive even if this comment looks like it, would like to hear your opinion on why leo is not deserving of this list and sayf/shao are
idkbro [#100]completely disagree with you, sayf is close to leo if he plays on support but still leo is way better than him imo, sayf doesnt look good at all in duelist atm imo, doesnt look like a top jett mechanically + too smart to just be an entry fragger, leo and shao deserve to be in the top 10 list, only reason holding them back is exposure to international fans, specially leo, weird that a guild fan is underrating leo wtf, I have never seen a bigger carry in my life, also fnatic flair I guess you just like Guild but its not your main team, otherwise pretty sad if you are just fan of multiple top teams
Not trying to sound aggressive even if this comment looks like it, would like to hear your opinion on why leo is not deserving of this list and sayf/shao are
You did sound aggressive, ignorant & assuming. No point in continuing.
CONZENSMOKESGOOD [#84]
- Zyppan
- Shao
- Nukkye
- f0rsaken
- yay
- trent
- chronicle
- derke
- leaf
- hoody
- sheydos
- jinggg
- braveaf
- keznit
- sayaplayer
Forsaken 4? Braindead take
most underrated player = saadhak (Loud)
His game understanding and intelligence is surreal. Always creative to make bold and unexpected moves, but perfectly balanced with a safe game. In addition to an insane aim and good performance in lan (under pressure). And he is a nice guy, great for the team's synergy.
I don't think he's far behind Sacy.
Allan [#94]Flag checks out, US brain :D
Name a worse region than KR/JP.
Only VS/NUTURN did well in S tier events and that's it.
china
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oh wait.
Dr_DoofenshmirtZ [#53]kr has insane team play and utility use , but theres no one that insane individually
you don't watch KR then.
Na1myy [#83]Top 5:
- Nukkye
- Chronicle
- Derke
- Yay
- Nats
As long as you are not LAN proven you do not belong in a top 10 let alone a top 5 list. Leaf didn´t play nearly as good on LAN, same goes especially for TenZ. Neither Trent or Cryo went to a lan before, so there is no way they should be here.
This is only about the current form of the players, for all the people wondering why cNed isn´t here. I still think cNed in first strike was the highest peak we have ever seen from a player.
leaf dropped 30 on liquid on skye?
Chovymaker [#61]1- Chronicle
2- nukkye
3- nAts
4- cNed
5- Sheydos
6- Derke
7- leaf
8- yay
9- Trent
10- BraveAF
braveaf kekw
Rabbiit [#21]Well, I might get scolded for saying this, but if you're considering current performance, you could replace Cned, Trent/Saya, Sacy, and I dare say Yay.
And again, to point out, right now performance ,if you're considering it from last year I think for a team that didn't make the playoffs like VK, Heat performance is abnormal.
Not yay, heat was holding his own but yay persevered
delusional_sentinels_fan1 [#7]If you're gonna make a ranking that isn't extremely recency biased I think yay over Derke just makes sense. He's been far more consistent for longer than Derke who was in a slump in between stage 3 and LCQ.
The list is hella biased
ItsMeDio [#38]mine
- aspas - 286.5 ACS (587 round)
- cryocells 266.3 (705 round)
- nukkye - 258.1 ACS (548 round); igl
- leaf - 267.1 ACS (581 round)
- johnolsen - 298.9 ACS (355 round)
- f0rsaken - 269.4 ACS (340 round)
- keznit - 286 ACS (113 round)
- chronicle - 241.8 ACS from 406 round; non-duelist player
- zander - 240.1 ACS (639 round); non-duelist player, igl
- sScary - 243.1 ACS (467 round); non-duelist player, controller
- Derke - 250.7 ACS (426 round)
- Trent - 229.1 ACS (866 round); non-duelist player
- sacy - 229.7 ACS from 587 round; non-duelist player
- wannafly - 255 ACS (288 round); non-duelist player
wdyt
You braindead if you don't add yay
HaSanity [#113]1.aspas
2.leaf
3.sacy
4.pancada
5.saadhak
6.heat
7.tenz
8.leaf
9.xand
10.cauauzin
This might be one of the goofiest lists so far, tenz is good but recently been lacking. Yay proved his worth over heat (not to take away from his skills). Leaf also is greatly talented but definitely not #2 yet.
Edit: wait you put leaf in there twice?!
ShiroNekoX [#107]Wasn't nukkye perform so good better than nAts and yay this vct?. Imo put nukkye on #3 and the rest are good.
How better than yay? Hasn't even played Envy/Optic yet
-morte- [#119]How better than yay? Hasn't even played Envy/Optic yet
I am not saying he is better than yay as a player but his performance this vct as a team was slightly better than yay. Ofc as an individual yay still better.
-morte- [#118]This might be one of the goofiest lists so far, tenz is good but recently been lacking. Yay proved his worth over heat (not to take away from his skills). Leaf also is greatly talented but definitely not #2 yet.
Edit: wait you put leaf in there twice?!
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