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An actual W for all the teams
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7.5 $Mil raised from the Champion Bundle for teams
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fuzuka [#3]468k x 3 is like 7,5 mi BRL for brazilian teams, thats very good, a big problem here in brazil is the money
Yeah, for teams from less developed regions this is a godsend. It also creates an extremely attractive incentive for organizations to drop the BAG to create massive super teams, since they might be able to get a share of this ridiculous pay.
Mortadelo [#6]Holy shit, wasn’t is Shaz complaining about the Prizepool?
Shahz is such a nice guy, complaining to increase the prize pool so the better teams can make money. +Respect
queueK [#9]Shahz is such a nice guy, complaining to increase the prize pool so the better teams can make money. +Respect
Yeah, we need more than people like him
queueK [#9]Shahz is such a nice guy, complaining to increase the prize pool so the better teams can make money. +Respect
ShahZ took the bullet so the rest of the teams could live onwards, what a guy
tonyhart7 [#13]so its like battepass in dota2 right ???
Good catch for riot because player can support for team who compete and not all money go to first winner
Yeah, kinda
The money is divided equally amongst all the participating teams
Easy_for_MWZERA [#8]This is not a good idea. The best possibile way is to increase the prize pool. Giving this much money just to participate makes it more important to get to champions than to win it, teams will focus even more in their own region and start to not care that much for the world's.
Nah man it's not like reaching champs is an easy task to do. People reaching that already deserve this.
Maybe give bonus to Top 3, especially the winner?
Thats the last boost for orgs in NA / EU / KR / BR / LATAM and other regions to invest in valorant next 2022 (Even if no regular league or franchised like League of Legends LEC / LCS / LCK)
To put numbers in context, there is still a week of this bundle and the prizes for each participant will be:
1st $818,750
2nd $618,750
3-4th $558,750
5th-8th $508,750
9th-16th $488,750
The last CSGO Major prize pool was:
1st $1,000,000
2nd $300,000
3rd-4th $140,000
5th-8th $70,000
9th-16th $17,500
- IDK if valve has an increment like the champions bundle to add to the participants of the major
Easy_for_MWZERA [#8]This is not a good idea. The best possibile way is to increase the prize pool. Giving this much money just to participate makes it more important to get to champions than to win it, teams will focus even more in their own region and start to not care that much for the world's.
Champs becomes super important
Orgs invest heavily into teams to guarantee a spot
Domestic competition increases greatly
As a result of harder competition, teams improve
-> Better teams are sent to Champs.
At least, this is how I see it.
Easy_for_MWZERA [#8]This is not a good idea. The best possibile way is to increase the prize pool. Giving this much money just to participate makes it more important to get to champions than to win it, teams will focus even more in their own region and start to not care that much for the world's.
Why is that a bad thing? There is one major tournament at the end of the year that you vie for. There are discrepancies in payout for winning, but it keeps all orgs competitive in nature knowing that just simply having the top team is going to afford you opportunities.
This creates incentives to actually keep valorant as an esport competitive instead of hearing how pros like pati consider OW or pros go back to CSGO.
For some regions that also have a hard time attracting talent this is another bonus.
Im sorry, but all I see are W's by doing this.
Shifty6 [#16]Thats the last boost for orgs in NA / EU / KR / BR / LATAM and other regions to invest in valorant next 2022 (Even if no regular league or franchised like League of Legends LEC / LCS / LCK)
To put numbers in context, there is still a week of this bundle and the prizes for each participant will be:
1st $818,750
2nd $618,750
3-4th $558,750
5th-8th $508,750
9th-16th $488,750The last CSGO Major prize pool was:
1st $1,000,000
2nd $300,000
3rd-4th $140,000
5th-8th $70,000
9th-16th $17,500
- IDK if valve has an increment like the champions bundle to add to the participants of the major
Its good because more incentive to less strong region or team so EU dnt take all the money
Shifty6 [#16]Thats the last boost for orgs in NA / EU / KR / BR / LATAM and other regions to invest in valorant next 2022 (Even if no regular league or franchised like League of Legends LEC / LCS / LCK)
To put numbers in context, there is still a week of this bundle and the prizes for each participant will be:
1st $818,750
2nd $618,750
3-4th $558,750
5th-8th $508,750
9th-16th $488,750The last CSGO Major prize pool was:
1st $1,000,000
2nd $300,000
3rd-4th $140,000
5th-8th $70,000
9th-16th $17,500
- IDK if valve has an increment like the champions bundle to add to the participants of the major
Good maths, actually puts things in perspective
Shifty6 [#16]Thats the last boost for orgs in NA / EU / KR / BR / LATAM and other regions to invest in valorant next 2022 (Even if no regular league or franchised like League of Legends LEC / LCS / LCK)
To put numbers in context, there is still a week of this bundle and the prizes for each participant will be:
1st $818,750
2nd $618,750
3-4th $558,750
5th-8th $508,750
9th-16th $488,750The last CSGO Major prize pool was:
1st $1,000,000
2nd $300,000
3rd-4th $140,000
5th-8th $70,000
9th-16th $17,500
- IDK if valve has an increment like the champions bundle to add to the participants of the major
CS has stickers, which fans can purchase to support specific teams.
I think the single bundle is better since it greatly supports those who need it most. That and, it means designers can put all their effort into a single amazing bundle yearly rather than 16 different skins, which would likely be less detailed.
Easy_for_MWZERA [#8]This is not a good idea. The best possibile way is to increase the prize pool. Giving this much money just to participate makes it more important to get to champions than to win it, teams will focus even more in their own region and start to not care that much for the world's.
Its good because more incentive to less strong region or team so EU dnt take all the money
appa [#18]Why is that a bad thing? There is one major tournament at the end of the year that you vie for. There are discrepancies in payout for winning, but it keeps all orgs competitive in nature knowing that just simply having the top team is going to afford you opportunities.
This creates incentives to actually keep valorant as an esport competitive instead of hearing how pros like pati consider OW or pros go back to CSGO.
For some regions that also have a hard time attracting talent this is another bonus.
Im sorry, but all I see are W's by doing this.
It's interesting because OWL players earn an average salary of 100k US. Sadly, Pati has said in an interview that the outcome of this tournament will not "affect his decision" to switch, but I'm still hoping he does change it.
kristof [#24]Teams dont even deserve this money lmao
Like sentinels and envy? They didnt even do anything the entire tournamanet, they were just happy to be there….
This shit needs to be changed
That's stupid as fuck
They worked hard all year
They absolutely deserve the money
The money is for all participating teams, they participated, why tf wouldn't they deserve it
kristof [#24]Teams dont even deserve this money lmao
Like sentinels and envy? They didnt even do anything the entire tournamanet, they were just happy to be there….
This shit needs to be changed
Just participating in Champs is a sign that the team is among the best in a region, which should be enough to warrant a reward.
kristof [#24]Teams dont even deserve this money lmao
Like sentinels and envy? They didnt even do anything the entire tournamanet, they were just happy to be there….
This shit needs to be changed
ITS just another kristof L , man never has a W in his life , shit take shit person
queueK [#21]CS has stickers, which fans can purchase to support specific teams.
I think the single bundle is better since it greatly supports those who need it most. That and, it means designers can put all their effort into a single amazing bundle yearly rather than 16 different skins, which would likely be less detailed.
Absolutely, also if different skins for each team are made, it is more likely that less famous teams will not make enough money
Thus reducing the inventive, this keeps a level playing field
Mortadelo [#6]Holy shit, wasn’t is Shaz complaining about the Prizepool?
Fun fact is that Sentinels made more money in this tournament than they did in Reykjavík
queueK [#21]CS has stickers, which fans can purchase to support specific teams.
I think the single bundle is better since it greatly supports those who need it most. That and, it means designers can put all their effort into a single amazing bundle yearly rather than 16 different skins, which would likely be less detailed.
very good point.
Shifty6 [#30]Fun fact is that Sentinels made more money in this tournament than they did in Reykjavík
Zombs about to buy another rolex since this one got shat on all over twitter
kristof [#24]Teams dont even deserve this money lmao
Like sentinels and envy? They didnt even do anything the entire tournamanet, they were just happy to be there….
This shit needs to be changed
what are you smoking. Every single team in champions has spent the entire year grinding just to get here. Think before you write.
ShadowisBAD [#28]ITS just another kristof L , man never has a W in his life , shit take shit person
Sen fans are mad but im spitting facts
yungbasel [#34]what are you smoking. Every single team in champions has spent the entire year grinding just to get here. Think before you write.
thats if the bitch has a brain to think and even if he has prob does not have 0.000001 % of a braincell
HoeBiden [#12]ShahZ took the bullet so the rest of the teams could live onwards, what a guy
yeah they already are set up with rolexes and all xD
kristof [#24]Teams dont even deserve this money lmao
Like sentinels and envy? They didnt even do anything the entire tournamanet, they were just happy to be there….
This shit needs to be changed
They are following the same strategy Riot do in LoL, the best and more important tournament of the year >>> all
The prize of get a spot in the tournament is the best prize of the year, winning the tournament means your are the best team of the year.
It sucks for teams like Sentinels or Envy who put great performances in Masters 2 and Masters 3, but i think is the best for reassess the great tournament
kristof [#24]Teams dont even deserve this money lmao
Like sentinels and envy? They didnt even do anything the entire tournamanet, they were just happy to be there….
This shit needs to be changed
I understand because of their performance, but champions is a culmination of an entire year worth of getting circuit points just to qualify so it is justifiable. If they didn't perform well throughout the year they wouldn't even qualify but very unlucky for them to suck at the tournament that really mattered.
Shifty6 [#30]Fun fact is that Sentinels made more money in this tournament than they did in Reykjavík
even more funny is
The Money SEN player got from Endorse and Stream is bigger than this
Sentinel Buy Tenz from C9 with rumoured 1 Million dollar and each Sen member got 10-30k paycheck a month
Not counting money from Stream and Endorse from gaming gear etc
HoeBiden [#26]That's stupid as fuck
They worked hard all year
They absolutely deserve the money
The money is for all participating teams, they participated, why tf wouldn't they deserve it
NA teams dont practise. They streaming 14 hours a day, you really think thats fair? EU teams are actually the ones who deserve this money because they are practicing and actually care about tournaments
kristof [#48]NA teams dont practise. They streaming 14 hours a day, you really think thats fair? EU teams are actually the ones who deserve this money because they are practicing and actually care about tournaments
Bruh, they went to the champions
They went their by competing, winning and gaining circuit points
Who are we to put a moral compass and be like, oh they didn't scrim enough, they don't deserve it?
They fought for their spot, and you don't want them to reap thier benefits because you think they didn't practice enough or they stream more
Think about it
HoeBiden [#14]Yeah, kinda
The money is divided equally amongst all the participating teams
good
i hope patiphan keep staying in valorant
tonyhart7 [#46]even more funny is
The Money SEN player got from Endorse and Stream is bigger than this
Sentinel Buy Tenz from C9 with rumoured 1 Million dollar and each Sen member got 10-30k paycheck a monthNot counting money from Stream and Endorse from gaming gear etc
I think is a regular paycheck (120K / year ) for an EU player but is a very short paycheck for a NA player tbh
I guess is because the game is almost new and is the first year of VCT, when leagues and franchised came the salaries will get a real boost.
Easy_for_MWZERA [#8]This is not a good idea. The best possibile way is to increase the prize pool. Giving this much money just to participate makes it more important to get to champions than to win it, teams will focus even more in their own region and start to not care that much for the world's.
this is a huge incentive for orgs to get into valorant and make solid rosters. getting a minimum 470,000 usd guaranteed if you make champs it will bring more sponsors and orgs to the game. also we have seen what "smaller region" teams can do knocking out championship contenders in groups, its never as easy as you think to get into champs.
Noyn [#47]WoAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Now Vivo Keyd will have the money to pay Mwzera's fine 😍
by 'fine' do you mean paying Gamelanders to get him on the team permanently?
or is it something else I don't know about
HoeBiden [#49]Bruh, they went to the champions
They went their by competing, winning and gaining circuit points
Who are we to put a moral compass and be like, oh they didn't scrim enough, they don't deserve it?
They fought for their spot, and you don't want them to reap thier benefits because you think they didn't practice enough or they stream more
Think about it
Every region gets 3 place in champions at least no matter what, because this system sucks. Even if the region if dogshit they will still get 3 guaranteed place in champions no matter what…
If 10 eu teams could have qualified to champions 10 eu teams will be in playoffs now
queueK [#54]by 'fine' do you mean paying Gamelanders to get him on the team permanently?
or is it something else I don't know about
Yesss, he still has +1 year of contract with Gamelanders
Noyn [#56]Yesss, he still has +1 year of contract with Gamelanders
nice, hope to see the same Vivo Keyd roster next year too. Mwzera + Heat + Murizz is insane
HoeBiden [#49]Bruh, they went to the champions
They went their by competing, winning and gaining circuit points
Who are we to put a moral compass and be like, oh they didn't scrim enough, they don't deserve it?
They fought for their spot, and you don't want them to reap thier benefits because you think they didn't practice enough or they stream more
Think about it
W take, every team that went there worked hard and deserves the money :))
Shifty6 [#51]I think is a regular paycheck (120K / year ) for an EU player but is a very short paycheck for a NA player tbh
I guess is because the game is almost new and is the first year of VCT, when leagues and franchised came the salaries will get a real boost.
SEN player make huge money because of their brand
when SEN win on iceland
Shahzam and Tenz constantly get average 20-30k viewer
even less popular member SEN like sick,zombs and dapr who rarely stream got constant 5k - 10k viewer on twitch
kristof [#55]Every region gets 3 place in champions at least no matter what, because this system sucks. Even if the region if dogshit they will still get 3 guaranteed place in champions no matter what…
If 10 eu teams could have qualified to champions 10 eu teams will be in playoffs now
that would make the scene in other region die
stupid take
Ibis [#57]I thought only the Champions winner team gets that money?
Nah, it gets divided among all teams equally
Noyn [#47]WoAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Now Vivo Keyd will have the money to pay Mwzera's fine 😍
do u think that he would go for vivo tho? I mean , he doesnt look comfortable playing as sova as when he was with raze or reyna
sank3tsu [#66]do u think that he would go for vivo tho? I mean , he doesnt look comfortable playing as sova as when he was with raze or reyna
Duelists who are not operator specialists should switch to another role, he could play flex, it would be good for Sage and other agents tbh
Noyn [#70]Duelists who are not operator specialists should switch to another role, he could play flex, it would be good for Sage and other agents tbh
i kinda agree with u but i'm afraid of him becoming just a normal player and not the MW we all want as raze , lets see if he can adapt to play as sova/skye as soon as possible or try other agents
hkim [#59]W take, every team that went there worked hard and deserves the money :))
True except for the na teams. Their entire year was a fluke. Iceland and berlin as well
kristof [#73]True except for the na teams. Their entire year was a fluke. Iceland and berlin as well
u are a fluke
kristof [#76]Ur existence is a fluke. U should be happy u made it that far
stop projecting ur self LOSER
ShadowisBAD [#77]stop projecting ur self LOSER
Mf saying loser with the sentinels flair next to his name ahaahah
tonyhart7 [#60]SEN player make huge money because of their brand
when SEN win on iceland
Shahzam and Tenz constantly get average 20-30k viewer
even less popular member SEN like sick,zombs and dapr who rarely stream got constant 5k - 10k viewer on twitch
Yeah, Aceu from Apex who get 10k views he receive 150k per month ONLY STREAMING subs + twitch ad + donate
Tenz and Shah probably get EVEN MORE.
ShadowisBAD [#36]spitting nothing but BS ,
Ur region sucks + ur favourite team sucks
Stay mad forever
Mortadelo [#6]Holy shit, wasn’t is Shaz complaining about the Prizepool?
He was complaining because he knew that they wont be reaching quals
queueK [#17]Champs becomes super important
Orgs invest heavily into teams to guarantee a spot
Domestic competition increases greatly
As a result of harder competition, teams improve-> Better teams are sent to Champs.
At least, this is how I see it.
I'm not saying that Riot should remove the incentive, but it would be a lot better to make it proportional to your finnishing place. The higher you place the more you get. Just like the international does, with dota 2.
appa [#18]Why is that a bad thing? There is one major tournament at the end of the year that you vie for. There are discrepancies in payout for winning, but it keeps all orgs competitive in nature knowing that just simply having the top team is going to afford you opportunities.
This creates incentives to actually keep valorant as an esport competitive instead of hearing how pros like pati consider OW or pros go back to CSGO.
For some regions that also have a hard time attracting talent this is another bonus.
Im sorry, but all I see are W's by doing this.
I'm not saying that Riot should remove the incentive, but it would be a lot better to make it proportional to your finnishing place. The higher you place the more you get. Just like the international does, with dota 2.
tonyhart7 [#23]Its good because more incentive to less strong region or team so EU dnt take all the money
People would still feel incentivated if this money was proportional to the place you finish, like the international dota 2 tournament.
hellaeleganceyeah [#53]this is a huge incentive for orgs to get into valorant and make solid rosters. getting a minimum 470,000 usd guaranteed if you make champs it will bring more sponsors and orgs to the game. also we have seen what "smaller region" teams can do knocking out championship contenders in groups, its never as easy as you think to get into champs.
I never said it was easy to get to champions, I'm just saying that just for participating you are winning more money than the first place. This literally destroys the competition inside the tournament, it should be propotional to the placing.
bambamskrrt [#2]5 days left till the bundle gone, I estimate it could go near 10m, ez money
Thanks for accurate estimates
Easy_for_MWZERA [#85]I never said it was easy to get to champions, I'm just saying that just for participating you are winning more money than the first place. This literally destroys the competition inside the tournament, it should be propotional to the placing.
there is prize money then there is the skin money which is given to all equally. the one who gets the most is in the first place, then 2nd, then 3rd/4th, then so on. the skin money will be divided equally but the prize pool will still be divided proportionally. no team gets more money than the winning team.
hellaeleganceyeah [#87]there is prize money then there is the skin money which is given to all equally. the one who gets the most is in the first place, then 2nd, then 3rd/4th, then so on. the skin money will be divided equally but the prize pool will still be divided proportionally. no team gets more money than the winning team.
I know what's going to happen, I just don't agree. Dota 2 does the same thing, but does it right. The skin money is divided between teams according to placing, it's injected to the price pool.
Easy_for_MWZERA [#82]I'm not saying that Riot should remove the incentive, but it would be a lot better to make it proportional to your finnishing place. The higher you place the more you get. Just like the international does, with dota 2.
I think the reason they chose not to increase the prize pool, is because it invalidates other tournaments. While this also does that, to a lesser extent, it doesn't make Champions the most important tournament for fans, like the TI is for Dota fans.
It does make it the most important event for teams, however.
In addition, the equally shared earnings are much better for teams who come from regions where it's difficult to improve. It disproportionately incentives investment in the regions with the best existing infrastructure, as they should theoretically have the highest chance of making it far, whereas the method RIOT is implementing currently is much better for those in regions without this infrastructure.
queueK [#89]I think the reason they chose not to increase the prize pool, is because it invalidates other tournaments. While this also does that, to a lesser extent, it doesn't make Champions the most important tournament for fans, like the TI is for Dota fans.
It does make it the most important event for teams, however.
In addition, the equally shared earnings are much better for teams who come from regions where it's difficult to improve. It disproportionately incentives investment in the regions with the best existing infrastructure, as they should theoretically have the highest chance of making it far, whereas the method RIOT is implementing currently is much better for those in regions without this infrastructure.
I agree to a certain extent, but still it can harm in other aspects. The teams will be motivated to get there, but not to win. The weaker regions will simply be satisfied with getting there, if they are already the top dogs in their region they won't feel the need to improve, this mentality will be contagious we will get to a point where competing on masters and chanllengers will be more important than competing in champions itself.
kristof [#24]Teams dont even deserve this money lmao
Like sentinels and envy? They didnt even do anything the entire tournamanet, they were just happy to be there….
This shit needs to be changed
NV totally deserves lmao, These guys were underdogs in M3 Berlin and still managed to pull off, coming in second. They qualified into champs because of their amazing run. Even if they fell short in Champs, that doesn't mean they're shit. Every single team in champs deserves, you can see that from the amount of upsets and comebacks in this tournament. Every region is improving and this will give more incentive to make the competition much fiercer.
dominatorpit [#75]it’s 240k. read the text at the bottom of the image. (50% of net proceeds go to participating teams
the 7.5 million is the 50% that goes to teams. The other 7.5 million goes to riot
queueK [#7]Yeah, for teams from less developed regions this is a godsend. It also creates an extremely attractive incentive for organizations to drop the BAG to create massive super teams, since they might be able to get a share of this ridiculous pay.
Yeah, and according to Noyn post this is something that actually happening in BR scene. Big orgs like MIBR, Godsent, NIP, Loud are creating Valorant rosters in their regions and others big orgs like Dignitas, Team one, Imperial and Pain Gaming are rumored to be interested as well. If thats true, the level of investment of BR scene will skyrocket
Easy_for_MWZERA [#88]I know what's going to happen, I just don't agree. Dota 2 does the same thing, but does it right. The skin money is divided between teams according to placing, it's injected to the price pool.
and no one cares about anything but TI. the scene is good as dead other than the end of the year big money event paid for by the fans. both fortnite and dota has fallen to this pitfall of giving massive amounts to their champions which ended up killing the pro scene for everything else that doesnt have millions attached to it. no one would care who won masters 1,2 and 3 if champs just had 2 mil for the winner, killing the scene. this is the right way to do things as far as ive seen.
bambamskrrt [#2]5 days left till the bundle gone, I estimate it could go near 10m, ez money
nah, most who already want the bundle will already got it
Easy_for_MWZERA [#8]This is not a good idea. The best possibile way is to increase the prize pool. Giving this much money just to participate makes it more important to get to champions than to win it, teams will focus even more in their own region and start to not care that much for the world's.
then BR will get $0 every year lmao
I am OK with that
queueK [#21]CS has stickers, which fans can purchase to support specific teams.
I think the single bundle is better since it greatly supports those who need it most. That and, it means designers can put all their effort into a single amazing bundle yearly rather than 16 different skins, which would likely be less detailed.
yes and they earn well over $ 24M from stickers sales.
Source: https://twitter.com/Nors3/status/1468955141587886091?s=20
Stendo [#97]Nope, i one of them
well you will see later, but it wont be a lot higher than 7.5m (8.5m maybe)
Easy_for_MWZERA [#90]I agree to a certain extent, but still it can harm in other aspects. The teams will be motivated to get there, but not to win. The weaker regions will simply be satisfied with getting there, if they are already the top dogs in their region they won't feel the need to improve, this mentality will be contagious we will get to a point where competing on masters and chanllengers will be more important than competing in champions itself.
Your points have a lot of merit, those are definitely major consequences that could occur.
Maybe, the winner could get a separate, individual skin line where 50% of the profits go only to them. I'm not really sure about the time needed to make a skin, but with the ~ two-month "off-season" after champs, it may be possible to get it out in time before the next Masters event.
A distribution could work too, so long as it isn't connected to the prize pool - that's what messed things up for other tournaments in Dota 2, and more recently Fortnite. I'm not sure how exactly this would work, but with some clever wording and marketing, it should be possible to pull it off.
I'm just against the prize-pool approach, it has too many downsides.
SenWinChampions [#96]then BR will get $0 every year lmao
I am OK with that
And so willl Korea by your logic. lol. I'm not saying the teams eliminated first should get 0, but not as much as the ones who placed higher. Idk, maybe teams get 20% more each stage the pass: Groups, quarters, semis and finals. Something liek that.
hellaeleganceyeah [#94]and no one cares about anything but TI. the scene is good as dead other than the end of the year big money event paid for by the fans. both fortnite and dota has fallen to this pitfall of giving massive amounts to their champions which ended up killing the pro scene for everything else that doesnt have millions attached to it. no one would care who won masters 1,2 and 3 if champs just had 2 mil for the winner, killing the scene. this is the right way to do things as far as ive seen.
Well, they shouldn't concentrate that much, but they need to make it at least by stage. eliminated in grous gets X amount, eliminated in quarter-finals gets 20% higher, semis 20% higher than quarter, and finals 20% higher then semi. Idk, something like that.
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