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Lets Talk VCT Format

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#1
TyIerFPS

I believe we can all agree that the current system Riot has going for Franchising and or Tier 2 is not perfect and will eventually branch out and be adjusted. Which makes me wonder what type of Ideas the community has in terms of-

  • What should be added
  • What should be removed
  • and What should be Adjusted

We can use this as a benchmark just in case someone with power at Riot could even care to see what the community wants and has to offer.

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Disastered
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more games or less games, it has to be one of the two.

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Neonfreak
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You just said nothing

#6
Disastered
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i kind of implicated a point in my head but i feel like we either need to dive into less "quality valorant" or give teams even more time to prep

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IceCreamFan
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Riot just does not care about improving the pro scene format so this is going to die

#5
SnorlaxEnjoyer
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Better TOs, better production, I think the quantity of games being played is fine over Tier 1 and 2, if there were more games we would be seeing a lot of pros burn out. I like the concepts of masters but Riot should only really be hosting champs and have Big TOs run the masters events. Better Venues, Better Systems and PCs for the players. Also GET RID OF Furia

#8
TyIerFPS
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That is something I have thought of as well. Having Two events very similar to your big event earlier on in the year makes it seem less "Important" or Special and I believe making it one massive event could do wonders. If they were to do this I believe they should still host the Regional Stages earlier on in the year that would still have Champs points involved and maybe more of a Prize Pool.

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SnorlaxEnjoyer
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In Hindsight it's basically 3 major tournaments a year which is alr, but like 1 more wouldn't hurt. little Grand Slam Vibes. EWC is a side tourney yes but it is not major worthy as of yet. The format was horrible

#10
TyIerFPS
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Agreed. If they had the time to make the BO1's BO3's it would have been a very good event.

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TyIerFPS
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My Personal belief on what I would like to see implemented in the VCT is some sort of Online Qualifier for Tier 2 Teams to get a chance in competing in Stage 1 and Stage 2 of their designated region.

The Reason being is because I remember back in Pre-Franchising there would be many unknowns that could just make a Cinderella run out of nowhere and make it to the Playoffs and in one case an International hence The Guard now G2. I believe seeing fresh faces in the league each Stage would be welcomed and could give the players good experience and more of a motive to win Ascension later on in the year to become a main stay.

To implement this Idea there are many nuances and things that would have to be changed and frankly that would take a while to explain but It is very possible, one of the things that would have to change is the Age Limit being lowered to 16 instead of 18. Other Competitive Esports do it and while difficult it may prove to be worthwhile.

That's my Penny.

#11
Anguibok
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What should be added :

  • A tier 2 path to every international event (4 winner of offseason split being allowed to play in Kickoff, 4 winner of split 1 going to playoffs or paying in a tournament where the winner play the Seed 3 of playoffs, Seed 4 of champions plays against Ascention winner)
  • Split 2 should be 1 single group

What should be removed :

  • Nothing

What should be Adjusted

  • More game for worst team, maybe instead of having 2 random group in split 1 we better have 2 group based on level : So it would work like this
    1. Kickoffs (2 team qualified)
    2. A small tournament with the 10 remaining teams, (Right before or after Master 1)
    3. Split 1 : Upper group : 2 team that did qual to master plus top 4 winners pf the small tournament. Lower : The 6 losers of the small tournmant
    4. Split 2 : 1 and only group
  • Because there are 6 more games in split 2 for the best team we need to reduce the number of game for the best team, we can economize 2 series by going swiss instead of double elim bracket in kickoff, for master 2, if we do 8 team double elim instead of swiss we economize 1 game. We can also suppress Lower bracket final vs Winner bracket final in playoffs, because we see more playoffs as a qualifier for international event, more than a real title (So the final feel less important than for example a lower bracket game where thelooser is out and the winner will go to inter)
#12
IceCreamFan
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More rewards for tier 2 like a slot at masters 1 each year for the ascended team which would also increase participating teams from 8 to 12
Increased paypool for ascension and challenger leagues
Stringent promotion/relegation norms in tier 1 that way braindead teams like furia don't waste a fucking spot

#13
Anguibok
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Now for tier 2 only :

  • We need less T2 region but more sustainable (Maybe 4 max per T2), but to compensate we need amator Tier 3 and 4 everywhere (Tier 3 streamed, Tier 4 not), and less Tier 2 team/Region. North region showed us the way to go. The perfect model would be
    Tier 1 : Continent
    Tier 2 : Server
    Tier 3 : Language (Could be nation in some case, could be more precise server in other case, could be the most flexible tier)
    Tier 4 : Nation

So for exemple lets take the current example of Norway :

  • Tier 1 : EMEA
  • Tier 2 : EMEA Masters (Not a league, may be a problem for stabiity)
  • Tier 2.5 : North-East Europe "T2"
  • Tier 4 : Norway national league
    (Note we cant have 1 only T2 for EMEA, But having 7 might be too mush, maybe most of our current T2.5 should be T3, having a region West-med with France, Spain-PT, Maghreb, Italia)

Lets take an example for Laos

  • Tier 1 : APAC
  • Tier 2 : SEA (Professionnal and Broadcasted)
  • Tier 3 : Thailand Tier 3 (Amatory and Broadcasted : TH-Laos-MM league), this would be the revival of the league that disappear but the SEA fusion
  • Tier 4 : Laos national league (No money, no broadcast)

Exemple for French Caribean :

  • Tier 1 : AMER
  • Tier 2 : LAN (Already the case)
  • Tier 3 : Caribean, play in Miami sever (Other T3 would be : Central America, Mexico play on Mexico serv, COL-EQU-VEN play on Bogota serv)
  • Tier 4 : French Caribean league (Haiti, Guadeloupe, Martinique, French Guyana, maybe St Lucia, Dominique and french creole speaking area)

This would not make loose riot money because less 2 team to fund, and since T3 is amatory you dont pay

#14
cameran
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16 teams in franchising

#15
m0rtem
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  1. I think that there should be more games. playing a minimum of 12 games a year is way too low. Even in league which is nearly in the same format in terms of splits and internationals, western teams play for about 10 games a split under the same 3 day a week format and eastern teams play for like 20+ games a split in a more spreadout schedule. The point is that there needs to be more games in every region. So to do that, maybe make one big group and it being round robin, or doing the same group system but you play every team twice. You could also add a 3th master which would be sick but riot would go broke (no 4th split. essentially it goes 3rd master to champs where inbetween will be a LCQ for the 4th slot of champs in each region for the ones who didn't qualify with champs points). Yes burnout exitsts and will be seen but I think over time teams would get used to playing more games.

  2. Riot should bring more TO's like ESL and BLAST. Its better in the long run as riot don't have to fucking spend a shit ton on masters and they can just focus most of that budjet onto champs.

  3. this franchising system atm is kinda shit as I don't want to see another f0ria ever step in tier one ever again. So maybe implement a challengers system like back in 2022 where at the beginning, the 6 best and popular teams are invited (ex in americas: sen, g2, 100t, loud, lev, nrg) and the remaning 6-8 spots are left for the best teams in the qualifiers. this means that the best teams will always play in every split and teams like f0ria will never step in tier 1 ever again. age limit would be reduced to 17. for americas, maybe have a NA and SA qualifiers and then have a mini lan in Sao Palo where the best in qualifiers will compete to fill the qualifier spots for americas.

  4. Not a particular change to format but they really need to make champs feel speical. at this point champs is more like a 3rd master rather than a grand world championship. Riot needs to replicate their secret sause with worlds and implement it to champs.

#16
Gdgdfdgtttt
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3 stages 4 international events longer year!

cycle in new and old teams in each region

#17
blooperdooper45
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Non-tier 1 teams should be able to make international events. At the end of each stage of t2 play, have the winners, or top 2, of each challengers reigon face off in a tournament, and the winner of that makes the international event.

For example, say ENVY and Cubert (ignore academy restrictions) are the top 2 NA challengers teams. They then go to a separate tournament to face the top 2 from the LATAM and BR reigons, and the winner of that tournament gets a spot in masters/champs for the Americas region. Do the same for all 4 reigons, and you get a more compelling t2 scene, as well as the ability for new teams to make international tournaments and have relevant sucess.

#18
TyIerFPS
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I like the Idea, but having them get the 5th spot in Champs over a Team in Tier 1 that likely is better than them is horrendous. Having them play to qualify for each individual Stage that they can play in against the Tier 1 Squads to earn their spot in an International makes the most sense. If Tier 2 has almost the same road, maybe easier road to an International than what is the point of being in Tier 1.

#20
blooperdooper45
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Yeah maybe its just a rough idea. Dont think that having to be top 2 in your t2 league and then win an international just to make it is an easier road then just needing to be 4th in t1 but I see what ur saying. The thing I like about what I suggested is that it gives more casual fans an actual reason to watch t2 games, and gives them actual meaning, cause right now the scene is completely irrelevant.

#21
KiwiJuice
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Or top 2 challengers teams get invited to play LCQ with the other NA teams that didnt make Champs or masters

#19
voidmeow
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first masters: 16-20 teams. no group stage, just double elim, 3 from tier one of each region, 1-2 from challengers of each region (so basically having an ascension tournament before this masters for every region)

second masters: 16 teams. group stage, then double elim, the same qualifiers as the first masters event.

champs: 20 teams. group stage with 4 teams per group as it is now. the team with the highest champs points will automatically qualify to the main bracket skipping groups. again, the same qualifiers for this event with 3 from tier 1 and one from challengers.

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