8/16 spots at Champions go to teams that have collectively never won a match against EMEA/NA opponents(Record for non-kr/emea/na vs emea/na teams is 0-12). Don't you guys think these regions get way too many spots? Especially SEA having 2 guaranteed spots and a third spot being taken by Full Sense. I think having 8/16 teams more or less having a 95% chance of losing every time they face a EMEA/NA teams is a bad idea for the biggest Valorant event.
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GGgod [#2]yes let's make it like cs where there's 2 regions that can ever win
Or you can leave masters for developing the regions and have champions for the best of the best, or have some other better alternative.. No reason to jump to conclusions like this.
GGgod [#2]yes let's make it like cs where there's 2 regions that can ever win
Every region in CS has had a chance to showcase their abilities. Only EU and CIS can compete because they are the only good regions
shrado [#4]Every region in CS has had a chance to showcase their abilities. Only EU and CIS can compete because they are the only good regions
they are the only good regions because in the games initial days the other regions barely got a chance of play and improve with everyone else and now when they do get a chance the EU and CIS teams are already way too far ahead
GGgod [#7]they are the only good regions because in the games initial days the other regions barely got a chance of play and improve with everyone else and now when they do get a chance the EU and CIS teams are already way too far ahead
No way dude, there are tonnes of new players in EU and CIS. Other regions just play like shit.
PrTsty [#5]4 Teams are enough to represent NA/EMEA tho, u dont need NA teams that are tiers below the top 2 compete in the same tournament and take away exposure from other regions
that said both NA and EMEA should have 4 guaranteed spots
4 teams is most definitely NOT enough for EMEA, you can see orgs in EMEA are not investing anywhere as much as orgs in other regions (except Turkey)
Carthage_Er_Pola [#8]Giving other regions a chance keeps things fresh and exciting. Plus other regions are catching up fast, unlike CS they don't get stomped hard. I don't want things to be like CS where it's dominated by EU and CIS with barely any Asian or OCE representation.
it's not fresh and exciting if half of the teams are there with a 95% chance of losing to NA/EMEA teams
Lamo [#10]4 teams is most definitely NOT enough for EMEA, you can see orgs in EMEA are not investing anywhere as much as orgs in other regions (except Turkey)
I mean yeah thats true but the VCT shouldnt be at fault because of that, its more that riot doesnt allow many third party tournaments. If there was like Intel tournaments with 10 NA and 10 EMEA teams that would be completly fine and cool but VCT should be global and every region should have enough representatives and not too many
especially in a 16 team tournament more than 4 is just too much, if they made it a 24 team champions then 6 from NA and 6 from EMEA would be fine aswell
EMEA + NA should be at 50 percent of the teams participating
shrado [#9]No way dude, there are tonnes of new players in EU and CIS. Other regions just play like shit.
????? you did not understand what I meant
GGgod [#7]they are the only good regions because in the games initial days the other regions barely got a chance of play and improve with everyone else and now when they do get a chance the EU and CIS teams are already way too far ahead
just because players in CSGO did not have many opportunities does not mean half of the spots in the biggest Valorant event should be given for development of regions instead of giving it to the best teams.
GGgod [#13]????? you did not understand what I meant
It is not the fault of Valve or EU/CIS teams that they are too good for other regions. And they could still totally scrim in those regions, I think Tyloo is still in Ukraine for instance.
ritdro2211 [#15]if you need small regions to grow u need to give them exposure and
you love to see a fairytale run or a crazy underdog story that is what gives sports life and keeps it exciting
they're already getting plenty of exposure at Masters events.
you love to see a fairytale run or a crazy underdog story
Yeah that should be done by underdogs beating good teams. Not by a SEA team getting to the playoffs because they beat other average teams from Japan and Brazil
shrado [#16]It is not the fault of Valve or EU/CIS teams that they are too good for other regions. And they could still totally scrim in those regions, I think Tyloo is still in Ukraine for instance.
not every org has as much money as Tyloo that they can move to other regions to practice , smaller teams and orgs are stuck playing worse teams and barely get to improve
shrado [#6]I think your examples are a bit hyperbolic, SEA teams have been pretty solid throughout the year so to imply they have a 95% chance of losing to every EMEA/NA team is not fair.
Ok if not 95%, there's still a 85% chance they're losing to NA/EMEA teams. And if 50% of the teams have a 85% chance of losing to the other 50% of teams, that should not be the case for the biggest Valorant event.
Lamo [#17]they're already getting plenty of exposure at Masters events.
you love to see a fairytale run or a crazy underdog story
Yeah that should be done by underdogs beating good teams. Not by a SEA team getting to the playoffs because they beat other average teams from Japan and Brazil
you cant have an upset if you dont give them a chance as well
PrTsty [#12]I mean yeah thats true but the VCT shouldnt be at fault because of that, its more that riot doesnt allow many third party tournaments. If there was like Intel tournaments with 10 NA and 10 EMEA teams that would be completly fine and cool but VCT should be global and every region should have enough representatives and not too many
especially in a 16 team tournament more than 4 is just too much, if they made it a 24 team champions then 6 from NA and 6 from EMEA would be fine aswell
EMEA + NA should be at 50 percent of the teams participating
SEA + KR + JP getting a guaranteed 4 slots should be much worse than EMEA having more than 4 slots, using your own example.
ritdro2211 [#20]you cant have an upset if you dont give them a chance as well
yeah so 3-4 slots should be given to such regions, not 50% of the slots. Besides, smaller teams from NA and EMEA would be a underdog story as well, like Cloud9
Lamo [#21]SEA + KR + JP getting a guaranteed 4 slots should be much worse than EMEA having more than 4 slots, using your own example.
but its not my example, SEA KR and JP have completly different fanbases and are complete different regions, if you were to split up EMEA u could still do 3 EU 1 CIS and 1 TR but aslong as its one region it shouldnt have more than 4. it just puts 2 teams of the same region in the same group
Lamo [#22]yeah so 3-4 slots should be given to such regions, not 50% of the slots. Besides, smaller teams from NA and EMEA would be a underdog story as well, like Cloud9
if you want a scene to grow you have to show that you care abt the scene by giving them ample opportunities
ritdro2211 [#23]i really hope atleast 1 na/emea team dont make it out and get beaten by a small team to just shut these haters up
yeah so the record will change from 0-12 to 1-16. Not a huge difference, is there?
Lamo [#22]yeah so 3-4 slots should be given to such regions, not 50% of the slots. Besides, smaller teams from NA and EMEA would be a underdog story as well, like Cloud9
you think cloud9 is an underdog?
they might less favourites but i wouldnt be surprised if they won
ritdro2211 [#25]if you want a scene to grow you have to show that you care abt the scene by giving them ample opportunities
That scenes can grow in the Masters events. There's no need to make space for development of scenes in the biggest Valorant event.
PrTsty [#24]but its not my example, SEA KR and JP have completly different fanbases and are complete different regions, if you were to split up EMEA u could still do 3 EU 1 CIS and 1 TR but aslong as its one region it shouldnt have more than 4. it just puts 2 teams of the same region in the same group
except EU does not have a uniform fanbase lol. By this logic Spanish scene gets it own slot, French scene get their own slot and so on. Besides 1 slot for CIS is obviously way too low.
Lamo [#28]That scenes can grow in the Masters events. There's no need to make space for development of scenes in the biggest Valorant event.
if a scene needs improvement you need them to be on the biggest stage
ritdro2211 [#31]if a scene needs improvement you need them to be on the biggest stage
yeah that's not how it works. 16 teams is low enough as it is for 50% to be from weak regions. Maybe if it had 32 teams like the World Cup you can have space for smaller scenes.
Lamo [#32]yeah that's not how it works. 16 teams is low enough as it is for 50% to be from weak regions. Maybe if it had 32 teams like the World Cup you can have space for smaller scenes.
what will happen if you have more emea/na teams
it would literally be regional games on the international stage which is more boring than this
atleast these teams bring new playstyles and have a better chance than other emea/na team
Lamo [#30]except EU does not have a uniform fanbase lol. By this logic Spanish scene gets it own slot, French scene get their own slot and so on. Besides 1 slot for CIS is obviously way too low.
no u dumbfukc they all compete in the same region for the same slots u see them playing each otehr in the VCT for the VCT ur just gonna have teams that are representing the same region but are far worse than their seed 1 or 2 it doesnt make sense its useless and you could just give those slots to other regions so that they can develope. Just look at LoL.
Korea brings double the views of all the other regions combined (excluding china) and there they also only have 4 slots because there is no reason to have 15204 slots. U want every other region to have 1 slot and end up losing interest in the game? Just look at the hype around crazy racoon and the game of crazy racoon vs Gambit, it was one of the most hyped games of the tournament. Id rather watch those smaller regions having a close game every now and then instead of watching guild vs g2 for the 5023th time
PrTsty [#5]4 Teams are enough to represent NA/EMEA tho, u dont need NA teams that are tiers below the top 2 compete in the same tournament and take away exposure from other regions
that said both NA and EMEA should have 4 guaranteed spots
Imo BR and SEA should both get only 1 direct spot for champions, and give 1 more to NA and EMEA, I understand if they get 2 spots for masters, but they don't deserve so much recognition in champions, they haven't earned it yet
Carthage_Er_Pola [#8]Giving other regions a chance keeps things fresh and exciting. Plus other regions are catching up fast, unlike CS they don't get stomped hard. I don't want things to be like CS where it's dominated by EU and CIS with barely any Asian or OCE representation.
That would be fair for Masters, but at least im Champions, we should be able to see the best of the best, not developing regions, until they are able to full catch with the best teams, I don't feel like 2 direct spots for SEA and BR is fair. I fully agree with what you said if we were talking about masters tho
PrTsty [#34]no u dumbfukc they all compete in the same region for the same slots u see them playing each otehr in the VCT for the VCT ur just gonna have teams that are representing the same region but are far worse than their seed 1 or 2 it doesnt make sense its useless and you could just give those slots to other regions so that they can develope. Just look at LoL.
Korea brings double the views of all the other regions combined (excluding china) and there they also only have 4 slots because there is no reason to have 15204 slots. U want every other region to have 1 slot and end up losing interest in the game? Just look at the hype around crazy racoon and the game of crazy racoon vs Gambit, it was one of the most hyped games of the tournament. Id rather watch those smaller regions having a close game every now and then instead of watching guild vs g2 for the 5023th time
true. idunno what he is fighting for. lol
Giannero [#35]Imo BR and SEA should both get only 1 direct spot for champions, and give 1 more to NA and EMEA, I understand if they get 2 spots for masters, but they don't deserve so much recognition in champions, they haven't earned it yet
maybe next year
we gotta remember this is the first year of competition so it is fair
Lamo [#19]Ok if not 95%, there's still a 85% chance they're losing to NA/EMEA teams. And if 50% of the teams have a 85% chance of losing to the other 50% of teams, that should not be the case for the biggest Valorant event.
We'll see if the chances of beating an EMEA/NA teams still stands at 85% at the end of the tournament. Also, this is Valorant's biggest event and is not yet over. So, keep your talks about slots after Champions gets over, Ok buddy?
PrTsty [#34]no u dumbfukc they all compete in the same region for the same slots u see them playing each otehr in the VCT for the VCT ur just gonna have teams that are representing the same region but are far worse than their seed 1 or 2 it doesnt make sense its useless and you could just give those slots to other regions so that they can develope. Just look at LoL.
Korea brings double the views of all the other regions combined (excluding china) and there they also only have 4 slots because there is no reason to have 15204 slots. U want every other region to have 1 slot and end up losing interest in the game? Just look at the hype around crazy racoon and the game of crazy racoon vs Gambit, it was one of the most hyped games of the tournament. Id rather watch those smaller regions having a close game every now and then instead of watching guild vs g2 for the 5023th time
Minor regions will never come close to absolute top-teams of NA and EMEA
It's better to let contenders like Giants and Guild into tournament, so minor regions teams have more chances of beating them than the likes of Gambit / Liquid
And these Giants / Guild are BY NO MEANS worse than those from Japan / Brazil / SEA / LATAM, they deserve to participate at LANs, you are acting selfish, not caring about players' careers who are good but JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH for a stacked EMEA qualifier
You want to kill the esport in EMEA with this stupid ass system, our playerbase is 2x bigger than in any other region, 4 slots is surely not enough
If it was fair we would have 8 slots
Olofboost [#41]Minor regions will never come close to absolute top-teams of NA and EMEA
It's better to let contenders like Giants and Guild into tournament, so minor regions teams have more chances of beating them than the likes of Gambit / LiquidAnd these Giants / Guild are BY NO MEANS worse than those from Japan / Brazil / SEA / LATAM, they deserve to participate at LANs, you are acting selfish, not caring about players' careers who are good but JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH for a stacked EMEA qualifier
You want to kill the esport in EMEA with this stupid ass system, our playerbase is 2x bigger than in any other region, 4 slots is surely not enough
If it was fair we would have 8 slots
VS beats all these teams 4v5
Blazieboy [#42]VS beats all these teams 4v5
I never said anything bad about VS?
I said Prtsty shouldn't mistreat other "outside of top-4" EMEA teams just because they are meant to compete in a hard region
It's not their fault and they shouldn't be punished for it, EMEA must be getting a lot of slots
Also all these South America teams wouldn't even be top-15 here lol
Olofboost [#43]I never said anything bad about VS?
I said Prtsty shouldn't mistreat other "outside of top-4" EMEA teams just because they are meant to compete in a hard region
It's not their fault and they shouldn't be punished for it, EMEA must be getting a lot of slotsAlso all these South America teams wouldn't even be top-15 here lol
This is just the beginning of the international circuit IMO. Whatever changes you suggested can be implemented only next year. By giving 2 slots to all minor regions, Val has increased the incentive for investment in minor regions. It may kill EMEA investment, but EMEA teams are already contenders for the tourney right? The fact that EMEA is good at Val should encourage more investment right?? More slots = Less competition in the region.
Olofboost [#41]Minor regions will never come close to absolute top-teams of NA and EMEA
It's better to let contenders like Giants and Guild into tournament, so minor regions teams have more chances of beating them than the likes of Gambit / LiquidAnd these Giants / Guild are BY NO MEANS worse than those from Japan / Brazil / SEA / LATAM, they deserve to participate at LANs, you are acting selfish, not caring about players' careers who are good but JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH for a stacked EMEA qualifier
You want to kill the esport in EMEA with this stupid ass system, our playerbase is 2x bigger than in any other region, 4 slots is surely not enough
If it was fair we would have 8 slots
i never said that Guild or Giants are worse than the teams of the minor regions
and like I said there should be big 3rd party tournaments where u can have many EMEA and NA slots but VCT is global and should give every region space to represent themselves
Blazieboy [#44]This is just the beginning of the international circuit IMO. Whatever changes you suggested can be implemented only next year. By giving 2 slots to all minor regions, Val has increased the incentive for investment in minor regions. It may kill EMEA investment, but EMEA teams are already contenders for the tourney right? The fact that EMEA is good at Val should encourage more investment right?? More slots = Less competition in the region.
The whole "region" system is already a big question.
They keep EMEA together while they make BR-LATAM different, KR-JP-SEA different, and possibly in next season SA-CN will also be different with their own circuits.
Technically they could split up Europe, Turkey and CIS and give us 3-2-2 slots respectively, which would make sense according to you.
Why not?
PrTsty [#45]i never said that Guild or Giants are worse than the teams of the minor regions
and like I said there should be big 3rd party tournaments where u can have many EMEA and NA slots but VCT is global and should give every region space to represent themselves
Well then do Europe - Turkey - CIS instead of EMEA shit
Now EMEA has 7 slots (EU - 3, CIS - 2, TR - 2), CIS and TR same as other minor regions because it makes sense
Oh wow I changed everything from 4 to 7, but it's more fair now
The more EMEA teams you allow to be at Masters, the higher the chances are of Brazil / Japan / etc top-2 teams to beat these EMEA "lower tier", there will be more close matches
IMO its too early to tell. there has just been 2 global events and the main event; Valorant Champions hasn't even happened yet and I feel in these early stages all regions should be given a fair chance. Only if they continue to do bad for many global events, Riot should start to think of reducing slots.
For example, for League of Legends Worlds - no Asian teams made it far in the first year as it was dominated by EU and NA but Asian teams ended up dominating and winning from the second year onwards. This probably wouldn't have happened if they limited the number of teams attending from Asia after the first Worlds.
ciro [#39]They should possibly increase the amount of slots available to 24 imo
so that slot distribution can possibly go like this
EMEA- 5
NA- 4
KR- 2
SEA- 3
BR- 2
JP- 2
LATAM- 2
OCE- 1
SA-1
China-2
best one i've seen
ciro [#39]They should possibly increase the amount of slots available to 24 imo
so that slot distribution can possibly go like this
EMEA- 5
NA- 4
KR- 2
SEA- 3
BR- 2
JP- 2
LATAM- 2
OCE- 1
SA-1
China-2
nice take
Lamo [#14]just because players in CSGO did not have many opportunities does not mean half of the spots in the biggest Valorant event should be given for development of regions instead of giving it to the best teams.
stop
if riot does not give spot to region like japan or kr, then the scene in there will die immediately
don't u think riot already consider all of this, like for other the growth other region so valorant won't big only in EU and NA
riot already has experience in Lol for managing like this things
PrTsty [#34]no u dumbfukc they all compete in the same region for the same slots u see them playing each otehr in the VCT for the VCT ur just gonna have teams that are representing the same region but are far worse than their seed 1 or 2 it doesnt make sense its useless and you could just give those slots to other regions so that they can develope. Just look at LoL.
Korea brings double the views of all the other regions combined (excluding china) and there they also only have 4 slots because there is no reason to have 15204 slots. U want every other region to have 1 slot and end up losing interest in the game? Just look at the hype around crazy racoon and the game of crazy racoon vs Gambit, it was one of the most hyped games of the tournament. Id rather watch those smaller regions having a close game every now and then instead of watching guild vs g2 for the 5023th time
yeah, this idiot want valorant only big in EU and NA
they don't look valorant in japan for example, big viewership
so valorant won't die soon like CS lol
StockfishZ [#48]so whatcha want? 10 slots for NA and 20 for EMEA?
ikr
these people want to make valorant scene die in other region
imagine japan is not getting slot for champions with that huge viewership
so dumb
ciro [#39]They should possibly increase the amount of slots available to 24 imo
so that slot distribution can possibly go like this
EMEA- 5
NA- 4
KR- 2
SEA- 3
BR- 2
JP- 2
LATAM- 2
OCE- 1
SA-1
China-2
actually not bad
ciro [#39]They should possibly increase the amount of slots available to 24 imo
so that slot distribution can possibly go like this
EMEA- 5
NA- 4
KR- 2
SEA- 3
BR- 2
JP- 2
LATAM- 2
OCE- 1
SA-1
China-2
rare ciro W
Olofboost [#46]The whole "region" system is already a big question.
They keep EMEA together while they make BR-LATAM different, KR-JP-SEA different, and possibly in next season SA-CN will also be different with their own circuits.Technically they could split up Europe, Turkey and CIS and give us 3-2-2 slots respectively, which would make sense according to you.
Why not?
Technically they should've done that while categorising EMEA as one region. Now that it's already EMEA we can do nothing. The regions KR-JP-SEA could be merged into one in the future, keeping in mind that Lans were impossible at the inception of Valorant. In the future, Covid restrictions could be easing which means that APAC will function as one like it did in the LCQ. LAN environment could be coming back again which means better organisation after vct stage 1.
ritdro2211 [#23]i really hope atleast 1 na/emea team dont make it out and get beaten by a small team to just shut these haters up
fnatic Sadge
You give more than half of the slots to only two regions and you kill the careers of talented players from other regions, the growth of the game in other places beyond your bubble of NA and EU, but the world for you is only these two tiny places. Your opinion is the best way for Riot to kill Valorant's competitive scene and fall into eternal oblivion with its tiny niche of people asking "my goodness this game's competitive is so good, I don't know why it died so early".
ciro [#39]They should possibly increase the amount of slots available to 24 imo
so that slot distribution can possibly go like this
EMEA- 5
NA- 4
KR- 2
SEA- 3
BR- 2
JP- 2
LATAM- 2
OCE- 1
SA-1
China-2
-1 China +1 MENA other than that it’s perfect
Olofboost [#43]I never said anything bad about VS?
I said Prtsty shouldn't mistreat other "outside of top-4" EMEA teams just because they are meant to compete in a hard region
It's not their fault and they shouldn't be punished for it, EMEA must be getting a lot of slotsAlso all these South America teams wouldn't even be top-15 here lol
But you basically said that even vs, a non emea or na team, would never beat the top teams. That is a lie.
Dest1ny [#66]How tf are they gonna catch up if they aren't gonna play the best of the best? This is the exact reason why CS died in most regions outside of CIS/EU.
that's why CS are dead in SEA
crazy_igel_fan [#68]-1 China +1 MENA other than that it’s perfect
rito considers MENA a part of EMEA but i would like MENA to have a slot in vct
ciro [#39]They should possibly increase the amount of slots available to 24 imo
so that slot distribution can possibly go like this
EMEA- 5
NA- 4
KR- 2
SEA- 3
BR- 2
JP- 2
LATAM- 2
OCE- 1
SA-1
China-2
im all for a bigger tournment with more teams this is actually the best one i have seen
Easy_for_MWZERA [#72]
- Complains about SEA's lvl
- FULL sense won last chance, beating KR.
Your analogy doesn't make sense, you leave KR out of the comparison against NA/EMEA, but complains about SEA slots who beat KR representatives.
tru tru. Full Sense was competing against already proven teams such as F4Q who would frequently take maps of Sentinels and G2 and Iceland 3rd place finishers Nuturn, so just because they haven't directly faced NA or EMEA teams doesn't mean they aren't qualified to compete at Champions.
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