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there has to be a real discussion on best igls

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#1
babushka_boii95

players like saadhak, fns, ange1 were regarded as top tier igls back in 2022 so ppl still this way. The truth is this game doesnt require a top tier igl anymore it just needs 5 shooters with someone who can handle the extra load of vod reviewing and making decisions. Saadhak still may be a top tier igl but the rest are far outcalled and outaimed by 'lesser' igls. Thoughts?

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Hynix
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munchkin, mako
stax too inconsistent in fragging

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MrBlooBloom
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Termi get off the alt we know it's you bud

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trmnl
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nats

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gordonramsay
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munchkin

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Veri
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i dont think anyone in their right minds would call FNS and Ange1 top tier IGLs nowadays

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babushka_boii95
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no but ppl present it as an arugmentative strong point for advocating for navi and nrg

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hellfire
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which doesnt make sense in any serious way

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kfan4238173
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boaster

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sentinelmain377
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literally the goat IGL by miles now. gonna be a while til someone gets close to him

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tiyoe
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nobody is better than my goat finesse

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nobody___100
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if you disrespect the others, you gotta disrespect saadhak, hes been mid or shit in every game since madrid

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mustafais
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hows vit doing without a top "igl"

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wagonVAL
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boaster munchkin stax

#13
NRGSUPERFAN
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the game does need top tier igling but teams are way more agressive now so micro managing rounds arent needed as much depending on ur gamestyle.

Ange1, FNS and sadhaak are still top tier igls which u can see in their calling. its easy to criticize their calls when those 3 are losing. FNS was legit running rings around GENG and sentinels in the off season.

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TM06Nick
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Boaster is top 2 has to be

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sentinelmain377
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Top 1 all time (2021-2025). Who could even be before him?

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Stormbreakers
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The truth is this game doesnt require a top tier igl anymore it just needs 5 shooters with someone who can handle the extra load of vod reviewing and making decisions.

VIT's results are the proof that this just isn't true. Or do we think VIT is getting outplayed against teams with good IGL's just because someone in VIT camp didn't watch enemy VODs well enough?

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babushka_boii95
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wdym? 3 losses since kickoff to teams that have an igl that can shoot and theyre bad now? thats a really good track record for a superteam. If anything, if Sayf kept his fragging power when he was off igling they could very much have had close to no losses

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Stormbreakers
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I didn't say VIT is a bad team. Of course they aren't. I just presented them as a counter-example to your statement.

The truth is this game doesnt require a top tier igl anymore it just needs 5 shooters with someone who can handle the extra load of vod reviewing and making decisions.

This is describing VIT, wouldn't you agree? With a squad like theirs, VIT's performance shouldn't be merely performing well but being regular title contenders. They were one of the favorites going into Bangkok, to be fair, but despite their super firepower, they couldn't close out important games when they were up against a good IGL. And in EMEA Stage 1, they didn't lose to FNC just because Boaster was fragging out; they (especially Derke) were read like a book.

Now, I will say that being capable of fragging out is a necessity for all top-tier IGLs at this point, so there is a truth to what you said, too. But you can't get the title with just having 5 capable shooters + VOD reviews, you need to have a mind to surprise your opponents or be able to play around their attacks in game too.

Going back to my example... VIT's issues aren't simply because of Sayf's calling. Wit trexx, .they apparently had some "different outlooks into the game" (or something like that, if I recall correctly) and VIT is playing with a new player now. And I remember seeing a post about Sayf mentioning communication/understanding issues too, recently.

Thankfully, these are fixable issues. And as Sayf gains more experience as an IGL in top-level competitions, he should find it easier to frag sometimes (in international tournaments) while IGLing. People were speculating the reason for bringing CyvOph in as the controller might even be due to that, just to keep Sayf away from having to flex into duelist and controller roles, in order to release some of the role related burdens. And this seems to be working well lately, though they had to go against an in-form FNC team and Boaster, who showed a masterclass of IGLing.

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Yistyy
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Valyn, johnqt, and mitch. Boostio too

#20
goofyahh1447
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Boaster

#21
sexwithgiraffes
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valyn by far IMO

#22
Verstepping33
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Valyn and Munchkin easily

#23
Aayan
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I somewhat agree
I think it's partially because individual players understand the game to a much better extent now, which makes it easier for IGLs

But I think there still is a divide between your average IGL and world class IGLs

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Cheasle2
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Valyn boaster Autumn

#25
FusionLULW
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you people wont want to hear this, but boostio 2023, insane fragging igl on the best team itw, u could genuinely argue he was #2 best player on that eg team

#29
Yistyy
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Real ones remember 35 vs fut

#26
grima
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In the current state of NA it's really just Valyn.

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