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Jinggg>Something AND ITS NOT CLOSE

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#1
Hades_Loves_Rb

Jinggg-"cant play any agents, small agent pool, is shit at the game, cut him from the team immedatley"
Something-"hes good on these few agents, so good, save him"

Now that weve gotten that out of the way lets look at the stats as well as ability use for both of these players to see which one is better. As for stats I will only be using Split 2 of 24 onward. Valorant is a constantly changing game and I wont be convinced to use stats from more than a yearish-same way you dont use demon1s 23 stats or yays 22 stats to rank them now. I also wont be using Reyna at all as she is the worst pick out of every agent and if you think Reyna is good enough to warrant even an outside pick in the current meta then you probably dont have the mental facilities to read this anyways.

Overall Average Rating:
Something: .9833
Jinggg: .9967

Rating on Duelist (duelist will use average rating, average fkpr, average fdpr, and average kast as it is the best metric to see how good their duelist is-fkpr to see if they can entry, fdpr and kast to see how often they throw their life away, and rating to see if they can frag):
Something Jett: (.98 average rating), (.1833 average fkpr), (.16 average fdpr), (68.67% average kast)
Jinggg Raze: (1.0467 average rating), (.1433 average fkpr), (.1667 average fdpr), (70.67% average kast)
Jinggg Iso: (.82 average rating), (.19 average fkpr), (.1 average fdpr), (71% average kast)
Jinggg Neon: (.835 average rating), (.235 average fkpr), (.26 average fdpr), (71% average kast)
Jinggg Phoenix: (1.065 average rating), (.145 average fkpr), (.13 average fdpr), (62.5% average kast)

Rating on Support Agents (these support agents such as initator/sentinel/smokes will use average rating, average apr, average kast, and average fdpr as it is the best metric to see how good a support they are-apr to see if they can use util, fdpr and kast to see how often they throw their life away, and rating to see if they can frag):
Something Fade: (.785 average rating), (67.5% average kast), (.35 average apr), (.05 average fdpr)
Something Breach: (1.18 average rating), (78% average kast), (.28 average apr), (.07 average fdpr)
Something Gekko: (1.015 average rating), (75% average kast), (.33 average apr), (.105 average fdpr)
Jinggg Clove: (.92 average rating), (74% average kast), (.55 average apr), (.07 average fdpr)
Jinggg Sage: (1 average rating), (74% average kast), (.415 average apr), (.155 average fdpr)
Jinggg Cypher: (.75 average rating), (70% average kast), (.09 average apr), (.09 average fdpr)

As a entry:

  1. Jinggg Raze
  2. Jinggg Neon
  3. Jinggg Iso
  4. Something Jett
  5. Jinggg Pheonix

As a support:

  1. Jinggg Clove
  2. Jinggg Sage
  3. Something Gekko
  4. Something Fade
  5. Something Breach
  6. Jinggg Cypher

As a fragger:

  1. Something Breach
  2. Jinggg Phoenix
  3. Jinggg Raze
  4. Something Gekko
  5. Jinggg Sage
  6. Something Jett
  7. Jinggg Clove
  8. Jinggg Neon
  9. Jinggg Iso
  10. Something Fade
  11. Jinggg Cypher

Agent pool (these are agents that the player has played in the last yearish and have played to a pro level in both the role and frags):
Jinggg (6 agents-4 duelist, 2 support, 3 meta right now): Raze, Neon, Iso, Pheonix, Clove, Sage
Something (3 agents-1 duelist, 2 supprot, 1 meta right now): Jett, Gekko, Fade

TLDR/Everything summed up:

Jinggg>Something
Jinggg is a better entry, he is a better support for more agents, he has a better overall rating, he is a better fragger on more agents, he plays more agents at a pro level, and he plays more agents that fit into the current meta

Stop this Jinggg hate please he doesnt deserve it

#2
localkoolkid
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Y’all like to joke but I deadass just feel so much more connected with African American culture. Like all I want is just to have some tuff ahh dreads but my earthly white body is restraining my growth

#3
irishsamingg
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not happening until he learns some other agents to a high level other than raze people hate him because he is a raze one trick and cannot play other agents to a high level except raze which is hurting the team right now he is also washed now which doesnt help either

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Hades_Loves_Rb
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irishsamingg [#3]

not happening until he learns some other agents to a high level other than raze people hate him because he is a raze one trick and cannot play other agents to a high level except raze which is hurting the team right now he is also washed now which doesnt help either

bro didnt even read it

#5
GambleNats
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an actually well thoughtout argument, I applaud you

#6
delighted
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bro pulled a reverse trembolonarage

#7
lolapola
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As a fragger : Jinggg cypher
jinggg rating on cypher : 0.75

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#8
cxrsedval
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because of this take Rb will get dropped unfortunately

#9
dreambasgod
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Something clears jongg

#10
z12
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something is horrible on initiator tbh ihni why people suck him off so much when he contributes more to the role issues on prx than j0nggg

#11
Pookie121
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drue my pookie paatootie j0nggg clears s0meth0ng

#12
cxrsedval
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z12 [#10]

something is horrible on initiator tbh ihni why people suck him off so much when he contributes more to the role issues on prx than j0nggg

b0vti

#13
Ronyko23
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but patmen for something isnt even upgrade lol. This team worst fraggers are davai & mindfreak.

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lolapola
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z12 [#10]

something is horrible on initiator tbh ihni why people suck him off so much when he contributes more to the role issues on prx than j0nggg

jinggg cant play anything except raze and also smth cant play raze cause of him, he defintely contributes more to role issues buddy

#15
Amexdxyz
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Something can play raze

#16
Seo_w
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mid-off stat battle

#17
howsyfps
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Hades_Loves_Rb [#4]

bro didnt even read it

its quite allat

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Ronyko23 [#13]

but patmen for something isnt even upgrade lol. This team worst fraggers are davai & mindfreak.

This. Patmen is not the solution. No hate to him but the PRX brand is strong enough to get pretty much anyone in SEA . So why him?

If you want a sentinel, get Grumble. A duelist get juicy. If you want an initiator go poach Invy. An experienced igl? Crazyguy is right there. Patmen is not a Something or Hyunmin that dominates their region previously.

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Ronyko23
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LeCat [#18]

This. Patmen is not the solution. No hate to him but the PRX brand is strong enough to get pretty much anyone in SEA . So why him?

If you want a sentinel, get Grumble. A duelist get juicy. If you want an initiator go poach Invy. An experienced igl? Crazyguy is right there. Patmen is not a Something or Hyunmin that dominates their region previously.

patmen def gonna work. If the can bench davai or mindfreak. Firepower upgrade is massive ngl.

#20
KClaw
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Ronyko23 [#13]

but patmen for something isnt even upgrade lol. This team worst fraggers are davai & mindfreak.

Davai played bad in that game against dfm but he isn't always the problem, he's the most impactful guy in the team besides mindfreak who's always really impactful

#21
LeCat
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Ronyko23 [#19]

patmen def gonna work. If the can bench davai or mindfreak. Firepower upgrade is massive ngl.

Why? He is a good player in the Philippines challanger, but its nowhere as strong a scene as the KR or JP or even ID considering how badly naos go battered in ascension. And even then he is not the best one there. JA better if prx want a sentinel(which they really need).

Papi imo is probably the best player there and in pacific he looks solid but not game changing. Just because a player have great firepower in challengers doesnt mean its an upgrade unless they are utterly dominant like something. Especially over players who do it internationally like davai

#22
Twentytwo
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Gotta love all these vlr coaches and analysts lmao

#23
Ronyko23
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LeCat [#21]

Why? He is a good player in the Philippines challanger, but its nowhere as strong a scene as the KR or JP or even ID considering how badly naos go battered in ascension. And even then he is not the best one there. JA better if prx want a sentinel(which they really need).

Papi imo is probably the best player there and in pacific he looks solid but not game changing. Just because a player have great firepower in challengers doesnt mean its an upgrade unless they are utterly dominant like something. Especially over players who do it internationally like davai

he def fried on prx trial. Prx never gonna pick up a mid shooter.

#24
Aayan
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what in the MWZERA deathmatch stats is this

#25
LeCat
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Ronyko23 [#23]

he def fried on prx trial. Prx never gonna pick up a mid shooter.

Ok fair we dont see the trial so that make sense

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cxrsedval
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Aayan [#24]

what in the MWZERA deathmatch stats is this

STATS

mwzera https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/VK%20mwzera%234324/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all
cNed https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/ACE%20cNed%23carry/overview?season=all
TenZ https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/SEN%20TenZ%230505/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all

DEATHMATCH STATS
mwzera - 86% win rate (thats the insaniest thing ive seen in a while)
cNed - stats not availiable
TenZ - 73% win rate

RANKED STATS
mwzera - 66.3% winrate (MVP of 95% of the matches) proof here https://imgur.com/StiJmpg
cNed - 53.5% winrate (MVP of 13% of the matches)
TenZ - 60.4% winrate (MVP of 15% of the matches)

can you take your time to appreciate how insane mwzera is? without a doubt the most talented player to ever touch the game

I'll try to explain briefly why I think he is the best player in the world
Despite his insane aim and movement
The best way to know if a player is a good duelist is RAZE. There is a BIG difference between a good duelist and a jett abuser
If he is a good duelist, he needs to be good with raze.

heat? not good with raze
aspas? not good with raze
xand? not good with raze
tenz? not good with raze
cned? not good with raze
scream? not good with raze
d3ffo? not good with raze
derke? not good with raze

Thats why I think he is undoubtely the best player in the world. If RIOT by any means decides to nerf jett and shift the meta we prolly not gonna even hear names like cned and tenz again :>
He is not killing 40+ per map because when he joined VK he was forced to play a different role because heat is already a main jett... and lets be honest, every single duelist nowadays gets 20+ kills per map because team and setups are basically built around you (even steel managed to get 20 kills with it https://www.vlr.gg/29398/sentinels-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-playoffs-gf/?game=46692&tab=overview)

#27
Hades_Loves_Rb
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GambleNats [#5]

an actually well thoughtout argument, I applaud you

ty <3

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Hades_Loves_Rb
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lolapola [#7]

As a fragger : Jinggg cypher
jinggg rating on cypher : 0.75

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thats why its last :)

#29
stellaresca
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i stopped reading at jingg > something im done being a jingg (or prx) believer ( ill still watch their games tho )

#30
Yistyy
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Something's breach do be kinda diffy

#31
greenpanda
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both are big problems imo, something's aim is not enough to carry him and jinggg needs to not overheat, davai and mf also don't look as good as during 2023. the only player i see consistently putting up numbers (obv he still has bad maps) is forsaken, but even he still overheats/mini-throws.

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