where are all the CS stans talking about how CS is a bigger and better Esport
CS could never have a final as good as the Bangkok final or reach VCT viewership
4.3M was only for Swiss stage btw its likely far more for playoffs
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shesh_ [#6]where is this number coming from
https://x.com/ValorantEsports/status/1896129772759187668
before the grand final btw
howsyfps [#9]https://x.com/ValorantEsports/status/1896129772759187668
before the grand final btw
that's sick
glittering_yard [#8]Champions Paris is going to be so hype. Good timezone and historically hype french crowd
alot of the viewership is Chinese and Korean tho
unless a Chinese or Korean team is in the grand final i doubt it
''CS could never have a final as good as the Bangkok final '' IEM Cologne 2022, literally peak counter strike
'' reach VCT viewership'' pretty sure Shanghai was quite big at Chinese platforms, and Stockholm peeked at 2.7mil without chinese viewership (who adore both s1mple and niko), so this whole debate is fucking pointless imo
Nef0r0 [#12]''CS could never have a final as good as the Bangkok final '' IEM Cologne 2022, literally peak counter strike
'' reach VCT viewership'' pretty sure Shanghai was quite big at Chinese platforms, and Stockholm peeked at 2.7mil without chinese viewership (who adore both s1mple and niko), so this whole debate is fucking pointless imo
i dont care about "without Chinese viewership" China exists therefore the viewership counts lmao, the reason its not counted internationally is because its broadcasted on Chinese platforms not Twitch or Youtube
Shanghai Major was no where near VCT viewership lmao they didn't even want to release the numbers
delighted [#2]I mean, the Shanghai major also had a shit ton of viewership (probably higher than 4 million lol)
then why dont they release the stats
howsyfps [#14]i dont care about "without Chinese viewership" China exists therefore the viewership counts lmao, the reason its not counted internationally is because its broadcasted on Chinese platforms not Twitch or Youtube
Shanghai Major was no where near VCT viewership lmao they didn't even want to release the numbers
1st I didn't say ''without chinese viewership'' as if china doesn't exist, I don't know how you got this idea? I used escharts as my source, they don't count china, cs got 2.7 million without considering china, therefore the number is higher.
There were reports suggesting that SHanghai got multiple million views on chinese platforms, sadly I can't find the screens.
howsyfps [#15]then why dont they release the stats
cuz valve never releases any stats, most of their posts is just updates, teasers and some random office fucking gifs.
howsyfps [#14]i dont care about "without Chinese viewership" China exists therefore the viewership counts lmao, the reason its not counted internationally is because its broadcasted on Chinese platforms not Twitch or Youtube
Shanghai Major was no where near VCT viewership lmao they didn't even want to release the numbers
How do you count chinese viewership? Because as far as I am aware, chinese streaming plataforms do not publicly release viewer statistics like peak or average viewers
Rakooon [#19]How do you count chinese viewership? Because as far as I am aware, chinese streaming plataforms do not publicly release viewer statistics like peak or average viewers
Riot asks tencent and other chinese platforms to give them the number, therefore they can add it to their calculations. Valve haven't done so, albeit I have seen some screen that weibo had 52million interactions or some shit during the major but I sadly do not know how it is calculated
Yistyy [#20]how many times are cs joes gonna have this conversation. it's because of timezones.
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Nef0r0 [#16]1st I didn't say ''without chinese viewership'' as if china doesn't exist, I don't know how you got this idea? I used escharts as my source, they don't count china, cs got 2.7 million without considering china, therefore the number is higher.
There were reports suggesting that SHanghai got multiple million views on chinese platforms, sadly I can't find the screens.
ur saying "without chinese viewership" as if Chinese viewership isnt real or something or u wouldn't have mentioned it
cheeseborger [#18]cuhdrel had higher viewership for a tier 2 event btw what a bum ahh mickey mouse trophy
he had 4.3 million viewers? (Swiss stage only)
howsyfps [#24]he had 4.3 million viewers? (Swiss stage only)
no obviously not but he had more than tenz+tarik co stream and the official stream from val
howsyfps [#23]ur saying "without chinese viewership" as if Chinese viewership isnt real or something or u wouldn't have mentioned it
no wtf, chinese viewership is the biggest one of all, it's just that valve never actually ask the chinese platforms to provide the viewership number. Based on how the crowd obsessed over CS pros in Shanghai and Chengdu, I am sure that the viewership there is also multiple millions. Obviously not as big when let's say edg are playing, cuz they are patriotic. The reason why valorant has bigger viewership is cuz the game was advertized properly there, Valve haven't done it, which is why asia is riot's foothold. Thankfully, now with mongolz and tyloo (who might actually be good), asia has good representatives at the scene and thanks to the major expansion, there will be 5 asian teams at the major, which allows for more opportunities. Also afaik there will be a series of events hosted in china which basically plans that a chinese team will be top 5 and contending for majors in 3 years time. So i think cs will sooner or later catch up in that department, given that chinese major was a success, and an event before that in singapore was also quite popular there, I can see more TOs providing events in China(Chengdu in november 2025, CAC in october 2025,as well as a blast event hosted in eastern asia
Nef0r0 [#26]no wtf, chinese viewership is the biggest one of all, it's just that valve never actually ask the chinese platforms to provide the viewership number. Based on how the crowd obsessed over CS pros in Shanghai and Chengdu, I am sure that the viewership there is also multiple millions. Obviously not as big when let's say edg are playing, cuz they are patriotic. The reason why valorant has bigger viewership is cuz the game was advertized properly there, Valve haven't done it, which is why asia is riot's foothold. Thankfully, now with mongolz and tyloo (who might actually be good), asia has good representatives at the scene and thanks to the major expansion, there will be 5 asian teams at the major, which allows for more opportunities. Also afaik there will be a series of events hosted in china which basically plans that a chinese team will be top 5 and contending for majors in 3 years time. So i think cs will sooner or later catch up in that department, given that chinese major was a success, and an event before that in singapore was also quite popular there, I can see more TOs providing events in China(Chengdu in november 2025, CAC in october 2025,as well as a blast event hosted in eastern asia
thats just you guessing lmao
if CS had broken records and had millions of viewers then they would publicly announce it, and until they do it doesn't count
https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-masters-bangkok-2025
1.3 peak 500k average if you don’t include fake CN numbers lol
I don’t even watch cs but inflating your numbers is crazy work
Big_Pringle [#29]https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-masters-bangkok-2025
1.3 peak 500k average if you don’t include fake CN numbers lol
I don’t even watch cs but inflating your numbers is crazy work
fym fake CN numbers lmao
Nef0r0 [#21]Riot asks tencent and other chinese platforms to give them the number, therefore they can add it to their calculations. Valve haven't done so, albeit I have seen some screen that weibo had 52million interactions or some shit during the major but I sadly do not know how it is calculated
Ah yes the good old trustworthy company tencent who put a root anti cheat on our computers that doesn’t even work
howsyfps [#30]fym fake CN numbers lmao
It’s well known Chinese companies lie about their data lol not everything has to do with race
howsyfps [#28]thats just you guessing lmao
if CS had broken records and had millions of viewers then they would publicly announce it, and until they do it doesn't count
no they wouldn't cuz valve doesn't do it for some reason, which I don't understand as well. CS2 recently had it's player peak which was 10k away from cs go all time peak yet valve haven't done or posted anything :D Riot does a way better job advertizing their product, twitch drops, tiktok ads, collabs, CS just doesn't do them for some weird god forsaken reason. and based on me ''guessing'', it's just predicting logical steps no? football popularity is massive in china AFTER tons of football teams had football tours in Eastern Asia, am I not correct? So how will having a developing asian scene, multiple tier 1 events in their country or time zone and an obvious marketing campaign from the teams and TOs not help Chinese CS popularity grow?
Big_Pringle [#32]It’s well known Chinese companies lie about their data lol not everything has to do with race
can you prove that the numbers are fake?
Nef0r0 [#33]no they wouldn't cuz valve doesn't do it for some reason, which I don't understand as well. CS2 recently had it's player peak which was 10k away from cs go all time peak yet valve haven't done or posted anything :D Riot does a way better job advertizing their product, twitch drops, tiktok ads, collabs, CS just doesn't do them for some weird god forsaken reason. and based on me ''guessing'', it's just predicting logical steps no? football popularity is massive in china AFTER tons of football teams had football tours in Eastern Asia, am I not correct? So how will having a developing asian scene, multiple tier 1 events in their country or time zone and an obvious marketing campaign from the teams and TOs not help Chinese CS popularity grow?
copium
https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-masters-bangkok-2025
Riot never counts any concurrent numbers in anything. I mean, you can't even know how many players are playing the game currently, it's always a riot tweet with a trust me bro. They gotta do it to attract sponsors for the next event.
Secondly, Chinese streaming platforms do not count viewers, they count something called heat/viewership rating. 1M rating ≠ 1M viewers. 4.3M my ass.
IEM Cologne 2022 clears any valorant match ever played, and will clear anything. Fuck that, even map 1 of Cologne 2015 clears ts.
Shanghai major had the worst time to watch games both as a NA or EU fan. People had to sleep to go to work/school the next day instead of staying up and watch games till morning. EU had it worse, imagine waking up at 4 am to watch the games lmao.
I remember how people were saying "it's a riot game it will have league numbers in 2 years" lmaoaoao.
howsyfps [#35]copium
an arguement with an example which shows how other sport brands grow in other parts of the world
deflected with: copium
sad to see this nice discussion go down to just ''copium'' instead of worthy replies
fatburger [#36]https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-masters-bangkok-2025
Riot never counts any concurrent numbers in anything. I mean, you can't even know how many players are playing the game currently, it's always a riot tweet with a trust me bro. They gotta do it to attract sponsors for the next event.
Secondly, Chinese streaming platforms do not count viewers, they count something called heat/viewership rating. 1M rating ≠ 1M viewers. 4.3M my ass.
IEM Cologne 2022 clears any valorant match ever played, and will clear anything. Fuck that, even map 1 of Cologne 2015 clears ts.
Shanghai major had the worst time to watch games both as a NA or EU fan. People had to sleep to go to work/school the next day instead of staying up and watch games till morning. EU had it worse, imagine waking up at 4 am to watch the games lmao.
I remember how people were saying "it's a riot game it will have league numbers in 2 years" lmaoaoao.
the Shanghai final was around the same time dumbass
also can u prove the Chinese viewership is fake? provide evidence
also the Shanghai major was during the Christmas holiday lol so no one is going to school so that arguement is just wrong
howsyfps [#11]alot of the viewership is Chinese and Korean tho
unless a Chinese or Korean team is in the grand final i doubt it
no one cares there are a lot of fr*nch fans who will be there irl and thats all that matters
viewership numbers for pussies
Nef0r0 [#37]an arguement with an example which shows how other sport brands grow in other parts of the world
deflected with: copium
sad to see this nice discussion go down to just ''copium'' instead of worthy replies
no its just that ur only argument is speculation lmao
dont try to turn this on me and act like im the one losing the arguement lmao
nobody___100 [#39]no one cares there are a lot of fr*nch fans who will be there irl and thats all that matters
viewership numbers for pussies
a French team won't even make the grand final
howsyfps [#40]no its just that ur only argument is speculation lmao
dont try to turn this on me and act like im the one losing the arguement lmao
what exactly is speculation? the growth of the game after it gets a worthy representative/representatives with TO's pushing to host more events in asia after seeing that China actually gives a shit about CS in Shanghai?
nobody___100 [#39]no one cares there are a lot of fr*nch fans who will be there irl and thats all that matters
viewership numbers for pussies
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Nef0r0 [#42]what exactly is speculation? the growth of the game after it gets a worthy representative/representatives with TO's pushing to host more events in asia after seeing that China actually gives a shit about CS in Shanghai?
can you actually prove that CS viewership in China had millions?
howsyfps [#44]can you actually prove that CS viewership in China had millions?
if I search for screens I might find them bro, they were somewhere in my browser history, but I would then politely ask you to explain how chinese platforms count the views
Nef0r0 [#45]if I search for screens I might find them bro, they were somewhere in my browser history, but I would then politely ask you to explain how chinese platforms count the views
what do you mean how do Chinese platforms count the views?
do you not think one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world has the ability to count viewership on a streaming platform lmaooo
Riots parent company is Tencent lmao
howsyfps [#46]what do you mean how do Chinese platforms count the views?
do you not think one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world has the ability to count viewership on a streaming platform lmaooo
Riots parent company is Tencent lmao
I couldn't find it, but I remember it was a screenshot of faze-spirit and there was some sort of index with 52 million on the top right of the stream
Nef0r0 [#49]I couldn't find it, but I remember it was a screenshot of faze-spirit and there was some sort of index with 52 million on the top right of the stream
source trust me bro
howsyfps [#50]source trust me bro
https://imgur.com/a/MCMGQUV
please explain the numbers, I managed to find it :) I would hopefully be correct that 4.6million likes means that there were at least 4.6 million chinese viewers, no?
Nef0r0 [#52]https://imgur.com/a/MCMGQUV
please explain the numbers, I managed to find it :) I would hopefully be correct that 4.6million likes means that there were at least 4.6 million chinese viewers, no?
VCT champs hit 70 milion bilibili heat index
its not viewership
howsyfps [#38]the Shanghai final was around the same time dumbass
also can u prove the Chinese viewership is fake? provide evidence
also the Shanghai major was during the Christmas holiday lol so no one is going to school so that arguement is just wrong
So?
- Copenhagen had 1M+ unadulterated viewers in both semis
- Shanghai major ended well ahead of Christmas, iirc it ended on 15th. And most cs fans are employed if you didn't know. The average cs player can't have $5k worth of skins by asking parents for some pocket money.
I'll attach evidence below, but I thought this was well known, even the league subreddit doesn't believe the crazy numbers these streaming platforms put up.
https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1015818
These aren't isolated incidents either, you will find even more articles if you look up. None of the links are from obscure websites.
howsyfps [#53]VCT champs hit 70 milion bilibili heat index
its not viewership
ok, but then how do you get the viewership number? if champs had 70 mil index with chinese team actually winning and cs major had 52 mil without any sorta chinese representation wouldn't it still suggest that CS viewership was in the millions? It is of course, if we trust riot and their claim of 36 million viewers in China during champs 2024? did some rough maths, which might be completely wrong, but if I take the percentage of both index numbers and the viewership, CS major got around 26 million (52:70 multiplied by 36 million). IT was at least 4 million with the likes tho, so you say it wasn't multiple millions is nonsense
fatburger [#54]So?
- Copenhagen had 1M+ unadulterated viewers in both semis
- Shanghai major ended well ahead of Christmas, iirc it ended on 15th. And most cs fans are employed if you didn't know. The average cs player can't have $5k worth of skins by asking parents for some pocket money.
I'll attach evidence below, but I thought this was well known, even the league subreddit doesn't believe the crazy numbers these streaming platforms put up.
https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1015818
These aren't isolated incidents either, you will find even more articles if you look up. None of the links are from obscure websites.
the grand final was on the 14th of december thats during the Christmas holiday for alot of people
those articles also don't prove VCT viewership is fradulent
howsyfps [#56]the grand final was on the 14th of december thats during the Christmas holiday for alot of people
those articles also don't prove VCT viewership is fradulent
it is absolutely not tho? December 20ish is when Christmas holidays mostly start, like schools and unis (schools in EU were running til 23-24th december I believe)
Nef0r0 [#55]ok, but then how do you get the viewership number? if champs had 70 mil index with chinese team actually winning and cs major had 52 mil without any sorta chinese representation wouldn't it still suggest that CS viewership was in the millions? It is of course, if we trust riot and their claim of 36 million viewers in China during champs 2024? did some rough maths, which might be completely wrong, but if I take the percentage of both index numbers and the viewership, CS major got around 26 million (52:70 multiplied by 36 million). IT was at least 4 million with the likes tho, so you say it wasn't multiple millions is nonsense
ok ok cs had millions of viewers but bangkok still has more
swiss stage alone exceeded the grand final of shanghai
Nef0r0 [#57]it is absolutely not tho? December 20ish is when Christmas holidays mostly start, like schools and unis (schools in EU were running til 23-24th december I believe)
what country do you live in lmao?
what schools start christmas holiday on the 23-24th lol
howsyfps [#58]ok ok cs had millions of viewers but bangkok still has more
swiss stage alone exceeded the grand final of shanghai
4.6 million likes versus 4.3 millions claimed WITH eu numbers as well. literally how is it more?
Nef0r0 [#57]it is absolutely not tho? December 20ish is when Christmas holidays mostly start, like schools and unis (schools in EU were running til 23-24th december I believe)
This user really believes Chinese numbers are legit, get a load of this guy 😭🫵👍
Never seen anyone believe Chinese numbers except users in this website
Nef0r0 [#60]4.6 million likes versus 4.3 millions claimed WITH eu numbers as well. literally how is it more?
the likes are fake it doesn't show viewership
howsyfps [#59]what country do you live in lmao?
what schools start christmas holiday on the 23-24th lol
Germany? like the country with 80 million people? https://imgur.com/a/FRG8w8g
fatburger [#61]This user really believes Chinese numbers are legit, get a load of this guy 😭🫵👍
Never seen anyone believe Chinese numbers except users in this website
prove they arent legit
howsyfps [#62]the likes are fake it doesn't show viewership
the likes suggest it was a logged in account which liked the translation = a.k.a a viewer
Big_Pringle [#29]https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-masters-bangkok-2025
1.3 peak 500k average if you don’t include fake CN numbers lol
I don’t even watch cs but inflating your numbers is crazy work
fake CN numbers lol
ragebait is an interesting choice of life
GambleNats [#66]fake CN numbers lol
ragebait is an interesting choice of life
me when I can't fathom a country of 1.4 billion people bringing viewership to an event without it being fake
column1 [#67]me when I can't fathom a country of 1.4 billion people bringing viewership to an event without it being fake
Especially after EDG winning champs and coming top 3 in an asian event, surely people realise the hype in that
fatburger [#36]https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-masters-bangkok-2025
Riot never counts any concurrent numbers in anything. I mean, you can't even know how many players are playing the game currently, it's always a riot tweet with a trust me bro. They gotta do it to attract sponsors for the next event.
Secondly, Chinese streaming platforms do not count viewers, they count something called heat/viewership rating. 1M rating ≠ 1M viewers. 4.3M my ass.
IEM Cologne 2022 clears any valorant match ever played, and will clear anything. Fuck that, even map 1 of Cologne 2015 clears ts.
Shanghai major had the worst time to watch games both as a NA or EU fan. People had to sleep to go to work/school the next day instead of staying up and watch games till morning. EU had it worse, imagine waking up at 4 am to watch the games lmao.
I remember how people were saying "it's a riot game it will have league numbers in 2 years" lmaoaoao.
timezone is such a bad argument since the last 3 VCT events have been in Asia and have had great viewership
howsyfps [#15]then why dont they release the stats
cause valve doesnt care lmao riot only get the stats because they are directly tied to tencent,cs isnt ran by valve and they dont clearly have any interest in promoting the game or requesting who ever knows the real wiewership the stats
fatburger [#36]https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-masters-bangkok-2025
Riot never counts any concurrent numbers in anything. I mean, you can't even know how many players are playing the game currently, it's always a riot tweet with a trust me bro. They gotta do it to attract sponsors for the next event.
Secondly, Chinese streaming platforms do not count viewers, they count something called heat/viewership rating. 1M rating ≠ 1M viewers. 4.3M my ass.
IEM Cologne 2022 clears any valorant match ever played, and will clear anything. Fuck that, even map 1 of Cologne 2015 clears ts.
Shanghai major had the worst time to watch games both as a NA or EU fan. People had to sleep to go to work/school the next day instead of staying up and watch games till morning. EU had it worse, imagine waking up at 4 am to watch the games lmao.
I remember how people were saying "it's a riot game it will have league numbers in 2 years" lmaoaoao.
this is silly, riot doesnt take chinese streaming platform numbers
fatburger [#61]This user really believes Chinese numbers are legit, get a load of this guy 😭🫵👍
Never seen anyone believe Chinese numbers except users in this website
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Nef0r0 [#65]the likes suggest it was a logged in account which liked the translation = a.k.a a viewer
bro ngl until you can provide official sources none of your argument matters cuz at the end of the day you r just speculating
tram2684 [#73]bro ngl until you can provide official sources none of your argument matters cuz at the end of the day you r just speculating
lmao this entire "chinese wiewership" argument is literally speculation,valve or the TOs dont have direct access to a tech giant in china who can get the numbers for them so it must be that they didnt release them because the game isnt popular (even tho we can see it is) by seeing the "popularity" numbers,and the chinese wiewerships that exceed cs are 100% because a chinese team is playing or made it far,i can actually see rn on bilibili tyloo who upset some good eu teams in esl pro league (not even S tier tournament) get a lot of hype and videos with like 100-250k wiews in a day so there is clearly a lot of interest for cs in china (for comparison the match video of bangkok finals has about 315k on bilibili rn so i really doubt what this guy is saying
ionlyHave1Zuni [#47]cake fhinese numbers dont count
me when im miserable in life so i have to choose something to make conspiracies about and direct my sadness there
Nef0r0 [#63]Germany? like the country with 80 million people? https://imgur.com/a/FRG8w8g
Only a little fucking disingenuous to pull "holiday dates" that start on the 23rd when the 21st and 22nd were the weekend. Like yeah, they aren't listed as days off because they have them off already
swerdog [#76]Only a little fucking disingenuous to pull "holiday dates" that start on the 23rd when the 21st and 22nd were the weekend. Like yeah, they aren't listed as days off because they have them off already
it depends on the year, mostly holidays start on the week of christmas
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