sacy propaganda

this has to be studied, I see people saying he's the initiator goat and even the goat of the game 😭😭😭

this guy peaked in champs 2022 and has only been mediocre since. people bring up his multiple trophies as if he wasn't the worst player on his team in the second one (and not even the best player in the first one). s0cy has quite literally only been a top player in champs 2022, only in valorant will you see fans acting like being a mediocre player on a winning team is a grand achievement

maybe if he won 5 trophies while being garbage individually I'd start thinking he's the goat, but 2 trophies? 😹

the argument wasn’t that he is the greatest initiator of all time, it’s that he is not a tier below leo when they’ve both have similar eras of dominance

shrike- [#2]

the argument wasn’t that he is the greatest initiator of all time, it’s that he is not a tier below leo when they’ve both have similar eras of dominance

I didn't make this in response to you in particular it's just a notion I see a lot on this site
also leo's peak is significantly higher than sacy's let's be real. he also assists with midrounding just like sacy does

flair

same community rating tenz as one of the best duelists of all time man pay them no mind

uwukitten [#3]

I didn't make this in response to you in particular it's just a notion I see a lot on this site
also leo's peak is significantly higher than sacy's let's be real. he also assists with midrounding just like sacy does

i think leo is still the best but sacy a “big gap” below him makes no sense

just because the mf didn’t shoot like aspas when he was playing for sen doesn’t mean that everything he did under loud just disappears

they are in the same tier, leo 1, sacy 2

yukky [#4]

flair

we need to see SEN vs TH for who takes crown for biggest fall offs and disappointments, from top 4 at champs 2024 to both getting grouped by lulquid. Disgusting animals

the only one compared to him is leo bro wtf, guy has won champs and masters, you cant win it being mediocre

BulkyLettuce [#7]

we need to see SEN vs TH for who takes crown for biggest fall offs and disappointments, from top 4 at champs 2024 to both getting grouped by lulquid. Disgusting animals

we need to see PRX vs TH for who takes crown for biggest fall offs and disappointments, from top 2 at champs 2023 to getting knocked out by DFM. Disgusting animals

shrike- [#9]

we need to see PRX vs TH for who takes crown for biggest fall offs and disappointments, from top 2 at champs 2023 to getting knocked out by DFM. Disgusting animals

FNS is your goat lol

0/8

BulkyLettuce [#10]

FNS is your goat lol

j0nggg

I agree that his sen stint gets a bit overrated by vlr users. But he was instrumental for both championships, even the Madrid one. He provided great veteran presence and good util, yeah his fragging was low but he didn't really need to get frags on that team, they were able to win afterall.

Sacy clears le0. At least he retired because he wanted to and didn't fake being sick.

Why are you so mad lil bro? Its not Veri from VLR saying he is one of the greatest in the game's history oh no believe me, everyone fucking agrees with this, pro players, casters, streamers, majority of other vlr users, YOU are the outlier here bud, not me

BulkyLettuce [#10]

FNS is your goat lol

j0nggg

Veri [#15]

Why are you so mad lil bro? Its not Veri from VLR saying he is one of the greatest in the game's history oh no believe me, everyone fucking agrees with this, pro players, casters, streamers, majority of other vlr users, YOU are the outlier here bud, not me

the majority of vlr users do not agree at least from what I've seen, and most public figures say this shit about every player. ask them about c0m/crashies for example and you'd see them singing the same tune

average dogshit uwukitten take

sergueiessenine [#5]

same community rating tenz as one of the best duelists of all time man pay them no mind

A DRX fan doesn't care about titles when rating players, what a surprise

uwukitten [#17]

the majority of vlr users do not agree at least from what I've seen, and most public figures say this shit about every player. ask them about c0m/crashies for example and you'd see them singing the same tune

I think we should stop trying to diminish certain players' legacies. Both Sacy and TenZ are legends, and the results speak for themselves. And he also provided top tier utility and veteran leadership. He was probably great in the comms and making good midrounds. Overall, you can nitpick that his fragging was lower after leaving Loud, but he was still very impactful.

Veri [#15]

Why are you so mad lil bro? Its not Veri from VLR saying he is one of the greatest in the game's history oh no believe me, everyone fucking agrees with this, pro players, casters, streamers, majority of other vlr users, YOU are the outlier here bud, not me

what are you saying

Yistyy [#20]

I think we should stop trying to diminish certain players' legacies. Both Sacy and TenZ are legends, and the results speak for themselves. And he also provided top tier utility and veteran leadership. He was probably great in the comms and making good midrounds. Overall, you can nitpick that his fragging was lower after leaving Loud, but he was still very impactful.

you say that like I'm trying to diminish his legacy out of personal hatred or something 😭I just think he's overrated

BulkyLettuce [#7]

we need to see SEN vs TH for who takes crown for biggest fall offs and disappointments, from top 4 at champs 2024 to both getting grouped by lulquid. Disgusting animals

why are you back i thought you killed yourself after the org with the worst season in valorant history 13-1ed ur shitty team

you REALLY hate this man

goat of the game? when has anybody said this and No he is not(no one has reached that status yet aspas won by default be cause he won and stayed good which to be fair is on the most contested role in the game)
but he has a genuine argument for goat initiator he has won on champs and masters on two different teams in two different languages was he on decline from that champs win till he retired yeah 100% for comparison to leo he is better would win it but the fact one of his trophies is lock in would be a thorn in his side ngl

but the fact that he won on two completely different rosters in two VERY different states of the game he has to have some level of insane value outside the game you can see it in how the new sen where the upgrade was - sacy +n4rrate with -tenz +bang is a side grade at best down grade at worse

jixk [#25]

goat of the game? when has anybody said this and No he is not(no one has reached that status yet aspas won by default be cause he won and stayed good which to be fair is on the most contested role in the game)
but he has a genuine argument for goat initiator he has won on champs and masters on two different teams in two different languages was he on decline from that champs win till he retired yeah 100% for comparison to leo he is better would win it but the fact one of his trophies is lock in would be a thorn in his side ngl

but the fact that he won on two completely different rosters in two VERY different states of the game he has to have some level of insane value outside the game you can see it in how the new sen where the upgrade was - sacy +n4rrate with -tenz +bang is a side grade at best down grade at worse

even if it's a down grade it's too early to tell, besides are we forgetting how the sentinels with sacy didn't even make regional playoffs in split 1 and bombed out in split 2?

uwukitten [#26]

even if it's a down grade it's too early to tell, besides are we forgetting how the sentinels with sacy didn't even make regional playoffs in split 1 and bombed out in split 2?

doesnt matter they got there dub and top 4 whatever value he brought was insane cause this sen look lost asf maybe he put a leash on them in scrims so they dont look stupid on stage idk
also what beef do you with sacy mans didnt do anything to you he was chill asf

Bro is so smoothbrained he cannot comprehend the concept of discipline and antistratting

Zekken still calls Sacy for advice and mentoring
Both Sentinels coaches said Sacy was heavily involved with the entire strat making process
Sacy and Saadhak MADE Aspas & Less

Just look at Sentinels now
They struggled against 100T, LOUD and would lose to KRU

JohnQT is suffering because of how much Sacy was doing

cioccolat [#28]

Bro is so smoothbrained he cannot comprehend the concept of discipline and antistratting

Zekken still calls Sacy for advice and mentoring
Both Sentinels coaches said Sacy was heavily involved with the entire strat making process
Sacy and Saadhak MADE Aspas & Less

Just look at Sentinels now
They struggled against 100T, LOUD and would lose to KRU

JohnQT is suffering because of how much Sacy was doing

the "look at sentinels now" argument is so retarded, yeah let's ignore the sentinels last year who lost to EG, 100T and loud 😹no "out of server impact" justifies going negative in most of the games, at that point just become a coach

jixk [#27]

doesnt matter they got there dub and top 4 whatever value he brought was insane cause this sen look lost asf maybe he put a leash on them in scrims so they dont look stupid on stage idk
also what beef do you with sacy mans didnt do anything to you he was chill asf

I have nothing against sacy I think he's a cool guy, my issue is with people overrating him because they like him. he was bad last year and anyone who thinks otherwise is just being delusional

lorenzopajaroFC [#19]

A DRX fan doesn't care about titles when rating players, what a surprise

no goat spends half his career watchpartying events he's unable to qual to

cioccolat [#28]

Bro is so smoothbrained he cannot comprehend the concept of discipline and antistratting

Zekken still calls Sacy for advice and mentoring
Both Sentinels coaches said Sacy was heavily involved with the entire strat making process
Sacy and Saadhak MADE Aspas & Less

Just look at Sentinels now
They struggled against 100T, LOUD and would lose to KRU

JohnQT is suffering because of how much Sacy was doing

sen are struggling now just like they were last year lol they couldn't qual to shanghai and barely made it to champs

shrike- [#6]

i think leo is still the best but sacy a “big gap” below him makes no sense

just because the mf didn’t shoot like aspas when he was playing for sen doesn’t mean that everything he did under loud just disappears

they are in the same tier, leo 1, sacy 2

Maybe not a big gap but there’s a gap

sergueiessenine [#31]

no goat spends half his career watchpartying events he's unable to qual to

How many international finals has drx been to

BulkyLettuce [#10]

FNS is your goat lol

Shot yourself in the foot bruh

sergueiessenine [#32]

sen are struggling now just like they were last year lol they couldn't qual to shanghai and barely made it to champs

Difference is they play dumber now

uwukitten [#29]

the "look at sentinels now" argument is so retarded, yeah let's ignore the sentinels last year who lost to EG, 100T and loud 😹no "out of server impact" justifies going negative in most of the games, at that point just become a coach

Give me one team where all of the players are full consistent aimers that did win anything.

elysxxm [#34]

How many international finals has drx been to

??? okay?? 😭😭

uwukitten [#30]

I have nothing against sacy I think he's a cool guy, my issue is with people overrating him because they like him. he was bad last year and anyone who thinks otherwise is just being delusional

if the guy below is saying the truth he wasnt bad last year and he did win tbf you can call him mid and not the goat and allat but he won he cannot be bad simply
no seriously if he did all of that he might be the goat

sergueiessenine [#38]

??? okay?? 😭😭

Don’t hate on goat

elysxxm [#40]

Don’t hate on goat

im not hating on any goat since tenz isnt one

cioccolat [#37]

Give me one team where all of the players are full consistent aimers that did win anything.

EDG, Loud, FPX
arguably EG (the only one who wasn't an amazing aimer was c0m but even he did good in champs), hell you could even make an argument for gambit and gen.g (lakia was shooting well in shanghai)

Leos peak compared to Sacys value is around the same, but add in sacy being one of the best examples of a professional when it comes to VAL. Which is why is value is so high, theres more to his game beyond inside the server. The fact that he was able to switch from a MOBA to a TAC FPS and win trophies means this guy oozes IQ/adaptability. Some people like yourself for example, really value the ingame stuff and stats. People like me and others, see the other value and intangibles players like sacy brings to the table.

shrike- [#2]

the argument wasn’t that he is the greatest initiator of all time, it’s that he is not a tier below leo when they’ve both have similar eras of dominance

“Sacy” and “dominance” do not go together

king_bob [#44]

“Sacy” and “dominance” do not go together

newgen watcher

elysxxm [#33]

Maybe not a big gap but there’s a gap

a very small one, yes

sergueiessenine [#41]

im not hating on any goat since tenz isnt one

Id say he's one of the goats but not in a competitive sense, he brought a lot of people to the game and still continues to be one of guys that people know even if they don't play valorant

belenight [#8]

the only one compared to him is leo bro wtf, guy has won champs and masters, you cant win it being mediocre

You can 100 percent get carried to a trophy if your team is good enough. Sacy won both tournaments with two players considered worldwide number 1 at some point. 2022 loud would still be considered a modern super team. Not saying sacy is terrible, but he fs doesn’t deserve goat status. He did his job on those rosters well enough to not be a burden to his carries and that’s all he needed to do.