Honestly this whole tournament is all about the #1 seed's in every kickoff so far there was a huge gap visible maybe only TL reverse sweeping heretics showed that they are good but i still think the favorites to take this whole thing are: DRX/VIT/G2
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shrike- [#2]vlr as a whole NEEDS to stop underrating edg man they are the defending world champions
they are a great team but they are beatable the difference is that most teams are visibly unstoppable, super strategic etc like they dont need to be in their best form to perform while if edg has a bad day or 2 players its over getting 2-0 by trace or even jdg 3 months earlier they lost to prx dfm geng t1 all in a row and it wasnt that close, if chichoo and kang kang dont pop off imo they lose vs every other #1 team at bangkok
gamergirl [#3]vitality reverse swept liquid bud + edg is better than drx
yeah yeah i got lost in thoughts
Cael [#4]they are a great team but they are beatable the difference is that most teams are visibly unstoppable, super strategic etc like they dont need to be in their best form to perform while if edg has a bad day or 2 players its over getting 2-0 by trace or even jdg 3 months earlier they lost to prx dfm geng t1 all in a row and it wasnt that close, if chichoo and kang kang dont pop off imo they lose vs every other #1 team at bangkok
the other three teams you mentioned are also beatable
vit won a lot of disadvantageous rounds by insane individuals, sort of like with EDG
Cael [#4]they are a great team but they are beatable the difference is that most teams are visibly unstoppable, super strategic etc like they dont need to be in their best form to perform while if edg has a bad day or 2 players its over getting 2-0 by trace or even jdg 3 months earlier they lost to prx dfm geng t1 all in a row and it wasnt that close, if chichoo and kang kang dont pop off imo they lose vs every other #1 team at bangkok
You just said the only good #2 seed was Team Liquid and EDG 2-0ed them...and you still underestimate EDG
catNmouse [#6]the other three teams you mentioned are also beatable
vit won a lot of disadvantageous rounds by insane individuals, sort of like with EDG
yea but they will only be better its a whole new roster while edg stayed almost the same for years
Neonfreak [#8]You just said the only good #2 seed was Team Liquid and EDG 2-0ed them...and you still underestimate EDG
yeah bcs #1 seed's are clearly sooo much better they got 2-0'd but it migh have been 2-1/ 1-2 it was OT meanwhile sen got smoked while drx is considered worse than edg
nbjk [#7]i have to say edg's been better and deserve a tier since they changed their coach and added player like s1mon. i thought their old coach just couldnt handle the team playing intl events but i think replacing him with their new coach now did alot of work you can see the big difference to edg now.
tbh it heinsight cause the players also matured and before were fairly inexperienced at int's with previous coach
supr [#12]Defending world champs and still in top form. time to put some respect on EDG
"defending world champs" yea they won the last champs 1 and only international win actually one and only placing better than 5/6th and tbh they played trace and sentinels to get to semis that was propably the easiest opponents they could had get could even save strats and they also caught lev and heretics kinda both not playing up to par obviously it wasnt a fluke gotta give them respect indeed but i dont think they should get hyped to this extend
shrike- [#2]vlr as a whole NEEDS to stop underrating edg man they are the defending world champions
Idk bro its like they need to win 3 events till ppl start believing
Ullyr [#15]Idk bro its like they need to win 3 events till ppl start believing
casuse most ppl know that they were max 5/6th every int before that and they had the easiest bracket till semis and then caught both leviatan and heretics on an off day and the fact that lower finalists needed to play 2 bo5's day after day for some reason while the team in upper has days off and even pick and ban prio its always swinging to the upper finalists but imo if you replay the leviatan match they would had propably lost 7 out of 10 times but welp that's just my opinion i think
Cael [#14]"defending world champs" yea they won the last champs 1 and only international win actually one and only placing better than 5/6th and tbh they played trace and sentinels to get to semis that was propably the easiest opponents they could had get could even save strats and they also caught lev and heretics kinda both not playing up to par obviously it wasnt a fluke gotta give them respect indeed but i dont think they should get hyped to this extend
why not? g2 is getting gassed up despite going winless in champions playoffs last year while edg went undefeated and can handle pressure better than most of the other teams in bangkok (kk literally thrives off of it)
Cael [#16]casuse most ppl know that they were max 5/6th every int before that and they had the easiest bracket till semis and then caught both leviatan and heretics on an off day and the fact that lower finalists needed to play 2 bo5's day after day for some reason while the team in upper has days off and even pick and ban prio its always swinging to the upper finalists but imo if you replay the leviatan match they would had propably lost 7 out of 10 times but welp that's just my opinion i think
lev didn’t even make it out of the swiss stage in shanghai btw
why are you so down on edg and so high up on lev lol they were even more inconsistent than edg and both of those teams had coaching changes
Cael [#10]yeah bcs #1 seed's are clearly sooo much better they got 2-0'd but it migh have been 2-1/ 1-2 it was OT meanwhile sen got smoked while drx is considered worse than edg
split was liquids map pick and second best map btw
catNmouse [#17]why not? g2 is getting gassed up despite going winless in champions playoffs last year while edg went undefeated and can handle pressure better than most of the other teams in bangkok (kk literally thrives off of it)
well cause rn g2 looks clean, clean af, tbh prime geng never looked as good as how clean g2 can play back to back so far they just look more promising like if u put those teams in a vacuum and put both at peak form g2 looks the favorite IMO
Cael [#21]well cause rn g2 looks clean, clean af, tbh prime geng never looked as good as how clean g2 can play back to back so far they just look more promising like if u put those teams in a vacuum and put both at peak form g2 looks the favorite IMO
easy to say that when g2 hasn’t even played yet, trace can give them a run for their money
catNmouse [#20]they changed IGLs, have a new rookie who is a great support player and changed coaching staff, they are like vitality with their recent roster change
vitality changed coaching staff, roles and 2 players also edg made the change 8 months ago+ have the same coach that was first their sub coach then assistant coach and now head coach(still 8 months ago) while vitality did it before kickoff so its a huge ass difference like literally night and day actually they played half a season+int's together while vitality just played kickoff with the changes
catNmouse [#19]split was liquids map pick and second best map btw
Wow Lotus was sen's pick and their 2nd best map aswell if not the best btw while also lotus is drx's one of the worse maps WHILE ALSO edg is good on split and always has been
catNmouse [#22]easy to say that when g2 hasn’t even played yet, trace can give them a run for their money
ofc they can since trace even 2-0'd edg just 2 months ago
catNmouse [#18]lev didn’t even make it out of the swiss stage in shanghai btw
why are you so down on edg and so high up on lev lol they were even more inconsistent than edg and both of those teams had coaching changes
well i just think that if u honestly replay that lev match they propably win most and if heretics didnt have an off day aswell whilst edg popping off it would be different respect to them but i still think they just dont look that convincing so far especially seeing that 1st match vs liquid who is also a team with 3 players changed and coaching staff
catNmouse [#17]why not? g2 is getting gassed up despite going winless in champions playoffs last year while edg went undefeated and can handle pressure better than most of the other teams in bangkok (kk literally thrives off of it)
Didn't people also say that about G2 last year at champs.. How they are playing perfect valorant etc. then they win 0 games in playoff
Turns out you can play "perfect valorant" all you want, all it took is 1 amazing player(Aspas in amer final+playoffs) or a competent team with better shooters (Fnatic) to beat you
Cael [#26]well i just think that if u honestly replay that lev match they propably win most and if heretics didnt have an off day aswell whilst edg popping off it would be different respect to them but i still think they just dont look that convincing so far especially seeing that 1st match vs liquid who is also a team with 3 players changed and coaching staff
its impossible for every team to play at their maximum potential, you either win or you don’t. undermining edg’s champs win because their opponents “didn’t play to their potential” is kinda disrespectful to their success and to their opponents too. its not like this is liquid vs heretics where you can actually say that heretics werent in form
LeCat [#27]Didn't people also say that about G2 last year at champs.. How they are playing perfect valorant etc. then they win 0 games in playoff
Turns out you can play "perfect valorant" all you want, all it took is 1 amazing player(Aspas in amer final+playoffs) or a competent team with better shooters (Fnatic) to beat you
to be honest it was that roster first international they def look more mature now at the end of the day we'll see its just discussions and opinions
Cael [#29]to be honest it was that roster first international they def look more mature now at the end of the day we'll see its just discussions and opinions
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Bro what
They were in Shanghai... They finished 3rd...
Their core was in Iceland back in 2022.
G2 is NOT a rookie team
catNmouse [#28]its impossible for every team to play at their maximum potential, you either win or you don’t. undermining edg’s champs win because their opponents “didn’t play to their potential” is kinda disrespectful to their success and to their opponents too. its not like this is liquid vs heretics where you can actually say that heretics werent in form
Im just saying that there was lots of luck invovled so many things going their way starting from the bracket y'all dont know how much of a difference it is going on a tournament and getting to save strats cause u get to play the easiest 2 teams to just get to semis then u win 1 bo3 2-1 bcs ur opponents are playing dogshit on the day and u get pick and ban prio to the grand finals and more days off to prepare
Cael [#23]vitality changed coaching staff, roles and 2 players also edg made the change 8 months ago+ have the same coach that was first their sub coach then assistant coach and now head coach(still 8 months ago) while vitality did it before kickoff so its a huge ass difference like literally night and day actually they played half a season+int's together while vitality just played kickoff with the changes
brother they won champs after the change what are you talking about
LeCat [#30]????
Bro what
They were in Shanghai... They finished 3rd...
Their core was in Iceland back in 2022.
G2 is NOT a rookie team
true my bad but they also had a rookie icy and now they got that dawg jawgemo and i didnt say rookie team just that they (players) didnt have as much int experience as the teams they had to face and in 2022 they also played 2 games
Cael [#14]"defending world champs" yea they won the last champs 1 and only international win actually one and only placing better than 5/6th and tbh they played trace and sentinels to get to semis that was propably the easiest opponents they could had get could even save strats and they also caught lev and heretics kinda both not playing up to par obviously it wasnt a fluke gotta give them respect indeed but i dont think they should get hyped to this extend
bro whenever edg wins its never "damn they look good" its always "damn the opponents are having an off day" for you guys
Cael [#31]Im just saying that there was lots of luck invovled so many things going their way starting from the bracket y'all dont know how much of a difference it is going on a tournament and getting to save strats cause u get to play the easiest 2 teams to just get to semis then u win 1 bo3 2-1 bcs ur opponents are playing dogshit on the day and u get pick and ban prio to the grand finals and more days off to prepare
teams still lose with ban advantage (non existent with heretics cause they shared same ban which is why they had a chance)
edg came from a relatively hard group stage to get to playoffs and they beat the top 4 teams to get to the finals
just admit edg were playing great in champs instead of disrespecting them
tram2684 [#32]brother they won champs after the change what are you talking about
exactly? lmao you are comparing vitality that changed their roster more than edg just before this kickoff to a team that played 2 internationals together+ half of their league season and literally have the same coach since then that also was with them for longer as a sub coach that got promoted to assistant to then head coach still a long ass time ago and the core players attending their like 7th interantional rn
Cael [#24]Wow Lotus was sen's pick and their 2nd best map aswell if not the best btw while also lotus is drx's one of the worse maps WHILE ALSO edg is good on split and always has been
It was one of drx worst maps when they played it entirely differently and with an entire different comp. Liquid at least had an idea of how EDG played split.
Cael [#36]exactly? lmao you are comparing vitality that changed their roster more than edg just before this kickoff to a team that played 2 internationals together+ half of their league season and literally have the same coach since then that also was with them for longer as a sub coach that got promoted to assistant to then head coach still a long ass time ago and the core players attending their like 7th interantional rn
you said edg stayed almost the same. the thing is that they didn't. they made a couple of small but crucial moves that brought them from 5th/6th or worse to a champs winning team.
catNmouse [#35]teams still lose with ban advantage (non existent with heretics cause they shared same ban which is why they had a chance)
edg came from a relatively hard group stage to get to playoffs and they beat the top 4 teams to get to the finals
just admit edg were playing great in champs instead of disrespecting them
no one is disrespecting them bozo. ig we'll see at this tournament this powerful edg
Cael [#39]no one is disrespecting them bozo. ig we'll see at this tournament this powerful edg
they’ll do better than G2
Toph_ [#37]It was one of drx worst maps when they played it entirely differently and with an entire different comp. Liquid at least had an idea of how EDG played split.
who is to blame here lol the teams obviously? btw drx has one of the worst wr% on lotus from all the teams attending bangkok based on kickoff stats. SO what is the argument "when they played it differently" u meant it was always one of their worse maps yet they destroyed sen
tram2684 [#38]you said edg stayed almost the same. the thing is that they didn't. they made a couple of small but crucial moves that brought them from 5th/6th or worse to a champs winning team.
the thing is. That vitality made the change and played 4 games so far with them. not to mention 0 international actually 2 of their players have at least some experience while edg played 31 games with that change. and they still changed less back then than vitality now. so what is that argument at all now. I said vitality made more changes and they just started playing together this is not the case for edg there are barely any teams that actually played 31 games together without a change
tram2684 [#34]bro whenever edg wins its never "damn they look good" its always "damn the opponents are having an off day" for you guys
whenever edg wins its always damn kang kang and chichoo popped off.
Cael [#43]whenever edg wins its always damn kang kang and chichoo popped off.
vitality wins rounds off of players popping off even more so than edg,
catNmouse [#44]vitality wins rounds off of players popping off even more so than edg,
well no shit, they played 4 games together. edg played 31. including many more bo5's, also u said they changed igl's. they didn't. nobody was their igl since edg existed and still is.
Cael [#42]the thing is. That vitality made the change and played 4 games so far with them. not to mention 0 international actually 2 of their players have at least some experience while edg played 31 games with that change. and they still changed less back then than vitality now. so what is that argument at all now. I said vitality made more changes and they just started playing together this is not the case for edg there are barely any teams that actually played 31 games together without a change
the current edg roster proved themselves on the international stage with a champs win. the new vit roster has the POTENTIAL to do that, but they haven't proved it yet. and you still rate vit so highly. its kinda crazy ngl
tram2684 [#46]the current edg roster proved themselves on the international stage with a champs win. the new vit roster has the POTENTIAL to do that, but they haven't proved it yet. and you still rate vit so highly. its kinda crazy ngl
indeed i think vit's POTENTIAL is higher i never said edg is a bad team
Cael [#45]well no shit, they played 4 games together. edg played 31. including many more bo5's, also u said they changed igl's. they didn't. nobody was their igl since edg existed and still is.
uuh what ??? this guy was born yesterday or something ?
Cael [#41]who is to blame here lol the teams obviously? btw drx has one of the worst wr% on lotus from all the teams attending bangkok based on kickoff stats. SO what is the argument "when they played it differently" u meant it was always one of their worse maps yet they destroyed sen
No one is to blame here what??? Are you braindead? Expecting a team to PREDICT a curve ball comp AND predict what that comp is going to be AND how they’re going to play on it. Is expecting beyond perfection. DRX’s wr doesn’t matter because they CHANGED THEIR LOTUS. Are you like actually stupid?
Toph_ [#51]No one is to blame here what??? Are you braindead? Expecting a team to PREDICT a curve ball comp AND predict what that comp is going to be AND how they’re going to play on it. Is expecting beyond perfection. DRX’s wr doesn’t matter because they CHANGED THEIR LOTUS. Are you like actually stupid?
their WR% WAS AND IS THE LOWEST OUT OF THE TEAMS ATTENDING are you stupid? and u can literally repeat ur argument to every team there is making it absolutely a game of wits that's why teams have head coaches/coaches/assistant coaches/analysts.
zhongZHI [#50]this dude saying DRX and then saying not EDG cuz EDG has been 5/6th traditionally. ISNT THAT WHAT DRX WAS KNOWN FOR? NOT ONLY THAT THEY HAVENT DONE SHIT IN AGES
No? never said that edg is a "no" "because 5/6th" just pointed out that this was their first ever good international showing and y'all are alr calling them "best in the world"
Cael [#52]their WR% WAS AND IS THE LOWEST OUT OF THE TEAMS ATTENDING are you stupid? and u can literally repeat ur argument to every team there is making it absolutely a game of wits that's why teams have head coaches/coaches/assistant coaches/analysts.
Yeah… you’re retarded.
Toph_ [#54]Yeah… you’re retarded.
you are retarded if you think that u only need to change comp to play good on a map that was alr in the comp rotation for a long time and without major changes to any agents other than releasing tejo. teams play different comps yet still win blaming just the agents select is fucking wild
Cael [#45]well no shit, they played 4 games together. edg played 31. including many more bo5's, also u said they changed igl's. they didn't. nobody was their igl since edg existed and still is.
Haodong was their igl until he got replaced by S1mon and nobody took over igl-ing. After that they won Champs. Please get your facts straight
Cael [#53]No? never said that edg is a "no" "because 5/6th" just pointed out that this was their first ever good international showing and y'all are alr calling them "best in the world"
is 5/6th not a good international showing? They did that 3 times before winning Champs.
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