mibr kru liquid top 4 lmao
shorter off season and more events is what we need. first tournament always so shit except lockin because we saw FNATIC prove their high level for the rest of the year
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babysasuke [#4]LOCK//IN is more mickey mouse than kick off or Madrid btw
thats why the winner was best team of 2023 and the runner up was Americas winner right?
I dont understand the logic behind this line if thought. All these teams won fair and square against opponents everyone agrees are good, yet they were clearly better than them and improved a lot during the tournament. Does the first game determine the level of the team and everything that comes after is a fluke? Improving is just not a thing?
LocoMonteiro [#5]thats why the winner was best team of 2023 and the runner up was Americas winner right?
wasnt the best team of 2023
if we go by the OP criteria, lock in was the first event of the year, no qualifier and ended in march, now the season starts a month early and the final will still be early march
Veri [#6]I dont understand the logic behind this line if thought. All these teams won fair and square against opponents everyone agrees are good, yet they were clearly better than them and improved a lot during the tournament. Does the first game determine the level of the team and everything that comes after is a fluke? Improving is just not a thing?
its cope from emea lizard who hasnt tasted a trophy in a year
gamergirl [#7]wasnt the best team of 2023
if we go by the OP criteria, lock in was the first event of the year, no qualifier and ended in march, now the season starts a month early and the final will still be early march
lost me at "wasnt the best team of 2023"
LocoMonteiro [#5]thats why the winner was best team of 2023 and the runner up was Americas winner right?
The best team of 2023 won Champions and had actually world class players and support staff
shitnatic fluked a mickey mouse for-fun tournment and the most fraudulent masters in Valorant history and then shit the bed when it mattered (because they were never really that good)
LocoMonteiro [#11]lost me at "wasnt the best team of 2023"
was pretty clear that loud only lost lock in because they were playing with two rookies while fnatic had been scrimming for 4 months, the "best team" of 2023 was completely outclassed by loud without that advantage, lost a regional to liquid, evil geniuses won champions, their tokyo run where prx who was also better than them at champs had a sub
all of the above doesnt even matter because EG won champions and were the best team of 2023, what weight does champions have if not to crown the best team of the year?
gamergirl [#13]was pretty clear that loud only lost lock in because they were playing with two rookies while fnatic had been scrimming for 4 months, the "best team" of 2023 was completely outclassed by loud without that advantage, lost a regional to liquid, evil geniuses won champions, their tokyo run where prx who was also better than them at champs had a sub
all of the above doesnt even matter because EG won champions and were the best team of 2023, what weight does champions have if not to crown the best team of the year?
fnatic was the best team of 2023, thats not an opinion, thats factual, everyone agreed with it, even the NA players/teams and casters/talent so i dunno why you are even arguing, and FYI Loud were the only team with a chance to beat Fnatic, even Derke said in a podcast that they knew if they beat Loud they werent losing to PRX or EG
LocoMonteiro [#15]fnatic was the best team of 2023, thats not an opinion, thats factual, everyone agreed with it, even the NA players/teams and casters/talent so i dunno why you are even arguing, and FYI Loud were the only team with a chance to beat Fnatic, even Derke said in a podcast that they knew if they beat Loud they werent losing to PRX or EG
"im going to ignore all your points and say fnatic is the best team because in my made up world if they werent worse than loud they definitely would be better than the teams that beat loud according to their own player"
derke doesnt know if they would beat eg or prx, fnatic didnt look GOOD at champs, they were shaky at best vs drx and the only impressive win was vs fut lol (THEY PLAYED ZETA AND BILLI TO QUALIFY)
just extremely biased, retarded, no supporting argument except previous nostalgia, remove the nostalgia fnatic beat a loud with no experience, prx with a streamer, and lost horribly at champions when it mattered only beating some of the worst teams at the event
gamergirl [#17]"im going to ignore all your points and say fnatic is the best team because in my made up world if they werent worse than loud they definitely would be better than the teams that beat loud according to their own player"
derke doesnt know if they would beat eg or prx, fnatic didnt look GOOD at champs, they were shaky at best vs drx and the only impressive win was vs fut lol (THEY PLAYED ZETA AND BILLI TO QUALIFY)
just extremely biased, retarded, no supporting argument except previous nostalgia, remove the nostalgia fnatic beat a loud with no experience, prx with a streamer, and lost horribly at champions when it mattered only beating some of the worst teams at the event
i dont know whats weirder, that you keep insta upvoting your own slop, or that you keep arguing a topic that reached a pretty easy consensus at the time.....are you one of those dudes thats always trying to be different from everyone else? Sure would explain your brainless rants about M8
LocoMonteiro [#18]i dont know whats weirder, that you keep insta upvoting your own slop, or that you keep arguing a topic that reached a pretty easy consensus at the time.....are you one of those dudes thats always trying to be different from everyone else? Sure would explain your brainless rants about M8
do you even have a counter argument to the best team of the year is the one that wins champions?
the best team will ALWAYS be the team that shows up for the most important event, nobody values 2 euros over 1 world cup
make an argument or stfu lol
milostoj [#16]Yea dont let any players rest gr8 idea my friend!!!
its their job. no need for 6 months without officials
gamergirl [#19]do you even have a counter argument to the best team of the year is the one that wins champions?
the best team will ALWAYS be the team that shows up for the most important event, nobody values 2 euros over 1 world cup
make an argument or stfu lol
My problem with that shitty Champions>Masters argument is that the people who try to use it to prove EG was better will then say Optic was the best team in 2022
I thought the counter argument was pretty evident but i guess your brain just cant hack it so ill try to dumb it down.....theres a reason no other team has ever won 2 internationals in a row, that level of consistency at a top level is way harder to obtain than simply peaking at the right time and winning champs
You understand it now or shall i draw up a dumbed down picture for you?
LocoMonteiro [#21]My problem with that shitty Champions>Masters argument is that the people who try to use it to prove EG was better will then say Optic was the best team in 2022
I thought the counter argument was pretty evident but i guess your brain just cant hack it so ill try to dumb it down.....theres a reason no other team has ever won 2 internationals in a row, that level of consistency at a top level is way harder to obtain than simply peaking at the right time and winning champs
You understand it now or shall i draw up a dumbed down picture for you?
optic wasnt the best team in 2022 either lol
your argument is poor, i explained why above, they didnt even beat the best versions of those teams at lock in or tokyo, they were WORSE than both EG and LOUD at champs, were worse than prx too lol
so let me ask you a question, what is harder to obtain, a champions trophy where EVERY team is at their best or two trophies where fnatic peaked at the right time against teams with substitutes, visa issues, and rookies?? Or does that argument only work for you
stop replying retard just say youre sorry, say thanks for teaching me and move on loser
gamergirl [#22]optic wasnt the best team in 2022 either lol
your argument is poor, i explained why above, they didnt even beat the best versions of those teams at lock in or tokyo, they were WORSE than both EG and LOUD at champs, were worse than prx too lol
so let me ask you a question, what is harder to obtain, a champions trophy where EVERY team is at their best or two trophies where fnatic peaked at the right time against teams with substitutes, visa issues, and rookies?? Or does that argument only work for you
stop replying retard just say youre sorry, say thanks for teaching me and move on loser
nah its legit scary how much of a moron you are....like unseen levels of stupid.
Winning 2 events in a row isnt "peaking at the right time" its being consistent for 4+ months you imbecile and last i checked Demon1 played the entirety of Tokyo so there was only 1 visa issue that entire year and oh just because "Gamergirl" declares it that all teams are at their best at champs doesnt actually make it true, or maybe we should go tell that NRG team that despite being at their best they still got mopped twice by billy
Theres funny stupid and annoying stupid and im afraid you are the latter
LocoMonteiro [#24]nah its legit scary how much of a moron you are....like unseen levels of stupid.
Winning 2 events in a row isnt "peaking at the right time" its being consistent for 4+ months you imbecile and last i checked Demon1 played the entirety of Tokyo so there was only 1 visa issue that entire year and oh just because "Gamergirl" declares it that all teams are at their best at champs doesnt actually make it true, or maybe we should go tell that NRG team that despite being at their best they still got mopped twice by billy
Theres funny stupid and annoying stupid and im afraid you are the latter
still no argument, did fnatic not scrim 4 months before loud, did eg not practice without demon1 until a day before tokyo lol, did prx not play with a sub? what issue did any team have at champs
stop replying bro these arent arguments, youre fishing for upvotes when nobody cares, just make an argument or leave
idc if you agree or not, but if youre gonna reply atleast present an argument lol, youre just repeating that everyone thinks fnatic was the best so they are, whether you like it or not champions was the only event where no team can make a complaint
nobody is even calling lock in or tokyo mickey mouse, but champions will hold more weight, sorry
gamergirl [#26]still no argument, did fnatic not scrim 4 months before loud, did eg not practice without demon1 until a day before tokyo lol, did prx not play with a sub? what issue did any team have at champs
stop replying bro these arent arguments, youre fishing for upvotes when nobody cares, just make an argument or leave
idc if you agree or not, but if youre gonna reply atleast present an argument lol, youre just repeating that everyone thinks fnatic was the best so they are, whether you like it or not champions was the only event where no team can make a complaint
nobody is even calling lock in or tokyo mickey mouse, but champions will hold more weight, sorry
"still no argument" shortbus could be staring at a skyscraper sized argument that his little steam powered brain would still muster up the strength to say "no argument?"
Go back to your shit takes on G8, this whole "moron who thinks hes an intellectual" schtick isnt really as entertaining
LocoMonteiro [#29]"still no argument" shortbus could be staring at a skyscraper sized argument that his little steam powered brain would still muster up the strength to say "no argument?"
Go back to your shit takes on G8, this whole "moron who thinks hes an intellectual" schtick isnt really as entertaining
skyscraper sized argument is that in your made up world winning two tournaments against competition that beat you when they werent held back by things out of their control
stop replying retard this is embarassing lol
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