x_knowitall39_x [#4]rotation on league host city = waste of money
never even consider such braindead.
furia I can understand if they were missing 1 or 2 or even 3 players, but all 5? yeah nah furia fucked up idc what they say
i agree knowitall
cloudberry [#8]LOUD, Made in Brazil, and 2Game all got their visas. How is this Riot's fault?
blame games, helps them feel better
1243 [#3]why didn't this affect other brazillian teams
its completely arbitrary between consulate agents if someone gets the visa or dont
this happens multiple times and riot keeps silent about it
humidapple [#11]its completely arbitrary between consulate agents if someone gets the visa or dont
this happens multiple times and riot keeps silent about it
silent? are they supposed to do something about country visas? this is common.
people should factor this in and apply even earlier, other teams got it so i don't see the issue
1243 [#12]silent? are they supposed to do something about country visas? this is common.
people should factor this in and apply even earlier, other teams got it so i don't see the issue
they applied in november isn't that early enough?
Navegazz [#13]they applied in november isn't that early enough?
apparently not since they didn't get the visa
1243 [#14]apparently not since they didn't get the visa
would that be because they got unlucky with the fact that the random agent - that they have no power to pick whatsoever didn't know what esports were?
since the other teams did exactly the same thing at the same and had a different result?
Easily_baited_12yo [#10]How is that riots fault ? This type of stuff ends up happening cs as well. A team had to forfeit their major spot because they couldn't get visa's on time. Riot can't do anything about that.
because riot decided to host the league in the hardest and most bulshit country to get a visa.
cloudberry [#8]LOUD, Made in Brazil, and 2Game all got their visas. How is this Riot's fault?
Mibr only arrived 2 days ago (also had visa problems)
LOUD and 2G got lucky
its riots fault for choosing the shittiest possible country to host a semi-international league
cloudberry [#8]LOUD, Made in Brazil, and 2Game all got their visas. How is this Riot's fault?
It's not Riots fault I agree
but I can see some people here blaming the org, and it's not their fault either
You roll the lottery with your agent, this time Furia just got the short end of the stick
cloudberry [#8]LOUD, Made in Brazil, and 2Game all got their visas. How is this Riot's fault?
All the BR teams did the same process at the same time basically but the particular person dealing with their VISA didn't know shit about esports so even tho they had all the paperwork in order and ready to go they got fucked.
It's not really Riot's fault tho but it would be cool if they were a bit more flexible
Navegazz [#15]would that be because they got unlucky with the fact that the random agent - that they have no power to pick whatsoever didn't know what esports were?
since the other teams did exactly the same thing at the same and had a different result?
unlucky i guess, does happen sometimes. ntnt
Aayan [#19]It's not Riots fault I agree
but I can see some people here blaming the org, and it's not their fault either
You roll the lottery with your agent, this time Furia just got the short end of the stick
Exactly this, if something I would like Riot to be a bit more flexible because in the past when this happened they could've just delayed the game but in this particular instance it might be to late to do so imo
SuperRoss [#2]unlucky, what'll happen next?
they have to fill an emergency roster, they can pick up anyone
1243 [#22]unlucky i guess, does happen sometimes. ntnt
it's unlucky I agree, you seem like a nice person, have a good day
Navegazz [#25]it's unlucky I agree, you seem like a nice person, have a good day
you might be nicer than me
Taruuu1 [#27]how is riots fault lmao they dont choose who gets a visa
US has a history of denying esports players from 3rd world countries their visas
1243 [#22]unlucky i guess, does happen sometimes. ntnt
isnt just sometimes it happens every year with south american teams that go for Americas VCT, riot should change to Canada, Mexico or something like this
number1_Demon1_fan [#24]they have to fill an emergency roster, they can pick up anyone
Idk about anyone. Has to be NA T2 team cuz visas and needs to have all players over 18 and not an academy team cuz conflict of interest
composthe [#29]US has a history of denying esports players from 3rd world countries their visas
which valorant pro is from a third world country bruh
Laundry [#33]Idk about anyone. Has to be NA T2 team cuz visas and needs to have all players over 18 and not an academy team cuz conflict of interest
I think you get me by anyone, I do include the bare minimum rules (eligible, visa...)
number1_Demon1_fan [#35]I think you get me by anyone, I do include the bare minimum rules (eligible, visa...)
Yea but anyone implies it can be a lot of teams, but I can only think of a couple teams that fulfill all the requirements , they don’t have that large of a pool to choose from
Mb didn’t want to nitpick ur original response at all, I just wanted to add on how small the pool is, I apologize 🫶
cioccolat [#16]because riot decided to host the league in the hardest and most bulshit country to get a visa.
If your country had millions of people trying to cross the border there annually trust me you would implement those" hardest" and "bullshit" immigration rules.
Taruuu1 [#34]which valorant pro is from a third world country bruh
literally brazil, who has players getting denied visas lmao
composthe [#38]literally brazil, who has players getting denied visas lmao
Brazil aint third world bruh
the players arent from the middle of the amazon are they
Taruuu1 [#39]Brazil aint third world bruh
the players arent from the middle of the amazon are they
Brazil is a third world country. Get out of your fairy world
dort [#18]if you're a furia fan be grateful and stop whining, they've been given a once in a lifetime opportunity to slot in NA players and actually have a shot at winning something, instead of wasting another year playing with 5 deadbeat bums from SA
Dort strikes again
Realm3098 [#40]Brazil is a third world country. Get out of your fairy world
its developing but its not really third world or at least the cities most players come from
third world is like some really poor countries in Africa or Asia
Taruuu1 [#42]its developing but its not really third world or at least the cities most players come from
third world is like some really poor countries in Africa or Asia
"cities most people come from" do you even know how majority of Brazilians live??
Realm3098 [#43]"cities most people come from" do you even know how majority of Brazilians live??
im talking about the pros lmao
t1 pros arent gonna come from a random mud hut in the rainforest or maybe im mistaken
Taruuu1 [#45]im talking about the pros lmao
t1 pros arent gonna come from a random mud hut in the rainforest or maybe im mistaken
Stop projecting bro wtf. Your initial statement was Brazil is not a third world country and hence it shouldn't matter in visa process. Bro it doesn't matter if a player is from richest part of sao paulo or a favella, they're Brazilian and hence the visa process is gonna be hard for them
Realm3098 [#46]Stop projecting bro wtf. Your initial statement was Brazil is not a third world country and hence it shouldn't matter in visa process. Bro it doesn't matter if a player is from richest part of sao paulo or a favella, they're Brazilian and hence the visa process is gonna be hard for them
😭😭😭 its not that serious lmaooo
we found the #1 Brazil hater
Taruuu1 [#47]😭😭😭 its not that serious lmaooo
we found the #1 Brazil hater
Bro what? I'm just saying what's truth. Even if you ask Brazilian people most of them will agree with me.
Warlordwibz [#44]Leo Faria said this a while back on similar situation. Ascension can't be in US cause Brazilian teams would need 6 months for VISA. As someone who also isn't from 1st world western G7 country, VISA will always be an issue. World just can't treat us equally.
but riot could do something else to compensate the permanent advantage they give to NA.
For example, when LOUD was stuck in north ireland with no PC's to play the game, not even a LAN house, and only came back a few hours before their game against NRG in Stage 1, riot didnt even postpone the match, it was not even a playoff match or an international event, it was just the first game of regional and LOUD had to play the match. They just came out of the airplane and went straight to the match after not touching a mouse and keyboard for a month. It cant be that hard to postpone 1 singular regular season match.
glittering_yard [#49]but riot could do something else to compensate the permanent advantage they give to NA.
For example, when LOUD was stuck in north ireland with no PC's to play the game, not even a LAN house, and only came back a few hours before their game against NRG in Stage 1, riot didnt even postpone the match, it was not even a playoff match or an international event, it was just the first game of regional and LOUD had to play the match. They just came out of the airplane and went straight to the match after not touching a mouse and keyboard for a month. It cant be that hard to postpone 1 singular regular season match.
Schedules are a very touchy topic in VCT. Changing them to accommodate for every issue that occurs is just not feasible
glittering_yard [#49]but riot could do something else to compensate the permanent advantage they give to NA.
For example, when LOUD was stuck in north ireland with no PC's to play the game, not even a LAN house, and only came back a few hours before their game against NRG in Stage 1, riot didnt even postpone the match, it was not even a playoff match or an international event, it was just the first game of regional and LOUD had to play the match. They just came out of the airplane and went straight to the match after not touching a mouse and keyboard for a month. It cant be that hard to postpone 1 singular regular season match.
If it's a round robin match then it makes sense to postpone. But if you postpone the furia game then you'll have to postpone the next lev game and potentially one more lower bracket. Just doesn't makes sense
Mirage27 [#50]Schedules are a very touchy topic in VCT. Changing them to accommodate for every issue that occurs is just not feasible
I think it should be feasible, especially in extreme occasions like this LOUD one that occurred right after Masters Madrid and they had enough time to rearrange the schedule for 1 game, these issues give advantages to one side and disadvantages to the other sides, harming competitive integrity. They should work to find a way to compensate the disadvantages, since they are probably not moving VCT Americas away from USA
Realm3098 [#51]If it's a round robin match then it makes sense to postpone. But if you postpone the furia game then you'll have to postpone the next lev game and potentially one more lower bracket. Just doesn't makes sense
I know its hard to find a solution especially for this Kickoff playoff format, but the situation really sucks. In VCT every match matters, one loss could be enough to ruin the whole team's year. And its not like its the first time this happens, but Riot always just goes: "it is what it is". Its a lot dreams on the line you feel me?
glittering_yard [#53]I know its hard to find a solution especially for this Kickoff playoff format, but the situation really sucks. In VCT every match matters, one loss could be enough to ruin the whole team's year. And its not like its the first time this happens, but Riot always just goes: "it is what it is". Its a lot dreams on the line you feel me?
Visa processes goes beyond riot's control and moving arenas to different countries will cost them a lot like A LOT
glittering_yard [#52]I think it should be feasible, especially in extreme occasions like this LOUD one that occurred right after Masters Madrid and they had enough time to rearrange the schedule for 1 game, these issues give advantages to one side and disadvantages to the other sides, harming competitive integrity. They should work to find a way to compensate the disadvantages, since they are probably not moving VCT Americas away from USA
What you get is situations like gambit/M3C in 2022 when they had to play 3 matches in 1 week which isn't ideal. yes there are work arounds that can work in limited capacity but they all are flawed in some way which just sucks. Riot does its best to try and cater its schedule to the pros but situations like this are largely out of their control. And no, the solution isn't to move Riot HQ
Mirage27 [#55]What you get is situations like gambit/M3C in 2022 when they had to play 3 matches in 1 week which isn't ideal. yes there are work arounds that can work in limited capacity but they all are flawed in some way which just sucks. Riot does its best to try and cater its schedule to the pros but situations like this are largely out of their control. And no, the solution isn't to move Riot HQ
But what exactly was out of their control in the situation a mentioned? I know they have nothing to do with the VISAS, but It was a round robin tournament. Are you 100% sure there was no way they could postpone one match? If so, they should work to make their schedules more flexible, there was a freaking 6 months off-season last year, they had time.
Im not saying the solution is to move Riot HQ, im saying that they made an easy choice of making the VCT Americas in Los Angeles, but the problem lies in the fact that they dont make any efforts to compensate the disadvantages the gave to the other regions in >AMERICAS<. Postponing matches could be a way of compensation even if its little, but they should be prepared for these issues and have a rearrangement of schedules as a plan B prepared for these situations. (sorry for any english mistakes, not my first language)
Realm3098 [#54]Visa processes goes beyond riot's control and moving arenas to different countries will cost them a lot like A LOT
my yapping about this is right above in #56👆
glittering_yard [#56]But what exactly was out of their control in the situation a mentioned? I know they have nothing to do with the VISAS, but It was a round robin tournament. Are you 100% sure there was no way they could postpone one match? If so, they should work to make their schedules more flexible, there was a freaking 6 months off-season last year, they had time.
Im not saying the solution is to move Riot HQ, im saying that they made an easy choice of making the VCT Americas in Los Angeles, but the problem lies in the fact that they dont make any efforts to compensate the disadvantages the gave to the other regions in >AMERICAS<. Postponing matches could be a way of compensation even if its little, but they should be prepared for these issues and have a rearrangement of schedules as a plan B prepared for these situations. (sorry for any english mistakes, not my first language)
Yes you are correct that in the Loud situation they could've tried to postpone the match to a later date, whether it be 2 days later in the same week or in a separate week. While I don't know what happened behind the scenes, I would like to think if the Loud players or managers had asked for a postponement, Riot would've given it because again they try to make their players happy. However another complication comes in the fact that the people who bought the tickets to see the Loud v. NRG on April 6 would get mad if the game was moved. In that aspect, Riot probably would not change the schedule unless it isn't safe to play at Riot HQ (for example, the current wildfire situation in LA could pose a threat for Kickoff, though riot hasn't said anything about that yet)
In the end Riot doesn't have great options as no matter what decision they make it would piss someone off. I would agree that if Riot could've postponed the match they should for the players sake. But the decision isn't that simple nor is it mine to make. (I also want to point out that both Furia and Riot are not at fault for this as US immigration is notoriously awful. It is largely out of Riot and Furia's control that this happened)
stop blaming the company lmao for something out of their control. LA is literally the city where Riot Games is based in, logistically makes it way easier for them to coordinate and manage their event. its genuinely unfortunate that FURIA got their visas this late but it would cost way more and be a logistical nightmare for every single event that valorant has to be outside of the US if you moved VCT Americas to another neighboring country. im pretty sure every VCT event is held in close proximity to a major riot office.
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