I get they don't want the same few agents playing 24/7 but these teams were preparing for kickoffs during off-season for quite a long time and it feels like releasing a really strong agent would probably ruin a lot of stratbooks and unique comps, what do you think? I think it'll be fun to watch but I can believe some teams, especially coaching staff are pissed
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Why is tejo allowed for kickoffs?
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gamergirl [#2]mfw professional gamers and coaches have to learn a new agent the horror omg!
Not a new agent, a new beast.
Kayo? Nah, put a Sova plus Tejo.
Breach? Nah, put a Reyna or Phoenix plus Tejo.
Skye? Nah, put a Vyse with Tejo.
Sova? Nah, put a Chyper with Tejo
Fade? Only play Tejo 💀.
I can see him shining in every single map besides split.
A meta breaker. And in allmost every single meta breaker, some dude will abuse of this meta, win every single shit, be nerfed til the ground, lose and stoping picking him.
gamergirl [#2]mfw professional gamers and coaches have to learn a new agent the horror omg!
Learning the agent is probably a small part.
You have to revise your strategy again, coordinate with your team, test those strategy, and repeat the process if they are not good enough.
All this needs to be done in less than 2 weeks btw.
I get being professional and all, but I won't be surprised if they are not happy at all
Prasinos [#5]Not a new agent, a new beast.
Kayo? Nah, put a Sova plus Tejo.
Breach? Nah, put a Reyna or Phoenix plus Tejo.
Skye? Nah, put a Vyse with Tejo.
Sova? Nah, put a Chyper with Tejo
Fade? Only play Tejo 💀.I can see him shining in every single map besides split.
A meta breaker. And in allmost every single meta breaker, some dude will abuse of this meta, win every single shit, be nerfed til the ground, lose and stoping picking him.
wait so ur telling me both teams can just pick tejo and whoever is better will win?
again, theres no unfairness about this lol and if coaches or players are mad they just suck at their job
the good coaches and players will just adapt and be good, and the losers will go on twitter and cry
i11matic [#4]Why not
Cause people dont want to see 2.0 of when gekko was put in pro play and not a single soul was using him even semi correctly
IonlywatchvcjXD [#6]Learning the agent is probably a small part.
You have to revise your strategy again, coordinate with your team, test those strategy, and repeat the process if they are not good enough.
All this needs to be done in less than 2 weeks btw.
I get being professional and all, but I won't be surprised if they are not happy at all
the people who win will be happy and those who lose will not, does this surprise you?
Slimee [#8]Cause people dont want to see 2.0 of when gekko was put in pro play and not a single soul was using him even semi correctly
i want to see that ... it boosts my ego
gamergirl [#7]wait so ur telling me both teams can just pick tejo and whoever is better will win?
again, theres no unfairness about this lol and if coaches or players are mad they just suck at their job
the good coaches and players will just adapt and be good, and the losers will go on twitter and cry
both teams can just pick
This is the problem, isnt a "can", its a "will".
Its all over Chamber meta again, like, why u need X agent, when Y agent do everything X do but better? And u can use other agent to cover the flaws of Y.
cloudberry [#3]Teams that run him will have as much time to prep with him as teams that play against him will have to learn how to counter him
That misses the whole problem. Yes there are teams that are better at making new strats for/against meta shifts, but I doubt anyone (who isnt just a braindead fan looking for an excuse to cope) would actually complain about innovation being rewarded.
The concern is that it has the potential to invalidate work teams have already done. Creating an even playing field on some (importantly not all!) maps this close to the start of the season is plain uncompetitive, since its now based on luck if the maps you spent most time on need to be overhauled.
Obviously gonna depend on how strong he is in pro play if its an actual issue/a major issue, but still weird af for riot to do this... again.
targuin [#12]That misses the whole problem. Yes there are teams that are better at making new strats for/against meta shifts, but I doubt anyone (who isnt just a braindead fan looking for an excuse to cope) would actually complain about innovation being rewarded.
The concern is that it has the potential to invalidate work teams have already done. Creating an even playing field on some (importantly not all!) maps this close to the start of the season is plain uncompetitive, since its now based on luck if the maps you spent most time on need to be overhauled.
Obviously gonna depend on how strong he is in pro play if its an actual issue/a major issue, but still weird af for riot to do this... again.
Good point actually, didn't think about that. I guess it would suck if (purely for example) you spent a massive amount of time on Bind, and your Bind is really really good, but then this guy comes out and he's just insanely good on Bind and counters everything you've been doing and your offseason is now a waste of time
Prasinos [#11]both teams can just pick
This is the problem, isnt a "can", its a "will".
Its all over Chamber meta again, like, why u need X agent, when Y agent do everything X do but better? And u can use other agent to cover the flaws of Y.
so essentially ur saying nothing because everyone is at equal footing and to even try to imply that teams will be overworked or theres not enough time is completely lame and a cop out,
cloudberry [#13]Good point actually, didn't think about that. I guess it would suck if (purely for example) you spent a massive amount of time on Bind, and your Bind is really really good, but then this guy comes out and he's just insanely good on Bind and counters everything you've been doing and your offseason is now a waste of time
if a team spends the offseason just perfecting one comp and not working on systems, calling, synergy, etc then they're just relying on the same thing other teams are lol
ANY team who thinks metas won't change and is trying to dominate 2025 with 2024 strats deserves to lose, yall implying luck is disingenuous
its not like anyone was surprised by the new agent either??? Like why would you not spend the offseason working on things that you know won't change lol, then spend the weeks after announcement specializing your map pool and comps for the new meta, extremely poor coaching decision from any team that relies on metas being stagnant in a game thats defined by meta shifts (chamber, astra, harbor)
gamergirl [#2]mfw professional gamers and coaches have to learn a new agent the horror omg!
this close to kickoff while being permitted? most tourneys use older patches
gamergirl [#2]mfw professional gamers and coaches have to learn a new agent the horror omg!
How can someone be so dumb
CarnageBTC [#10]i want to see that ... it boosts my ego
It boosts your ego to see someone get paid to suck at a agent you most likely sucked at too? Knowing you dont get paid?
p0tsuz [#18]How can someone be so dumb
orgs pay coaches to coach and apparently its unreasonable for them to do their job when it gets more difficult!!!
gamergirl [#14]so essentially ur saying nothing because everyone is at equal footing and to even try to imply that teams will be overworked or theres not enough time is completely lame and a cop out,
What? U are bringing this for yourself, I didn't said any of this.
What I meant was that this will be like Chamber meta, where everyone at every map would use this char.
some dude will abuse of this meta
If you was talking about this, isn't about being fair, its about teams picking a player to do the "Chamber" function, and only this function except X map.
Essencialy, abusing the meta until being nerfed, like that cow image.
This kinda ruins Val ideia (for me at least), that is multiple playstyles and diferent ways at the same maps, metas like this forces allmost every single comp to be allmost equal.
Slimee [#19]It boosts your ego to see someone get paid to suck at a agent you most likely sucked at too? Knowing you dont get paid?
i mean in the initial days i play way better than these VCT one-tricks ....
Shadow_Monarch [#24]This is why 1st Masters will always be Mickey Mouse every fucking year. Still today no one has mastered Deadlock and Vyse comps yet, and we're adding another agent already to the season.
Point proven.
Ngl teams that play tejo are probably losing kickoff he is not that good of an agent and nobody will know how to play him this shit is ridiculously overblown but I do think it is shit that he is even allowed for kickoff but then there isn't a time to allow him until like stage 1 and that's just too long
Slimee [#8]Cause people dont want to see 2.0 of when gekko was put in pro play and not a single soul was using him even semi correctly
they defo used him better than you could, you freak
Shadow_Monarch [#24]This is why 1st Masters will always be Mickey Mouse every fucking year. Still today no one has mastered Deadlock and Vyse comps yet, and we're adding another agent already to the season.
Point proven.
theyre just not as good as other comps, alot of guys talking about pro's not using agents well when theyre probably gold is hysterical
Galactc [#28]Ngl pros are more likely to not want to experiment than anything else since they don't have a comp to copy from yet
there will be a few teams who experiment, id imagine KC with engh and saadhak rush out leaders of the new meta and people will call the first masters mickey mouse because they're just better coaches/igls out there
but its possible the new agent just isnt game breaking, either way the only thing this does is increase the skill cap of the coaching staff around the league
gamergirl [#29]there will be a few teams who experiment, id imagine KC with engh and saadhak rush out leaders of the new meta and people will call the first masters mickey mouse because they're just better coaches/igls out there
but its possible the new agent just isnt game breaking, either way the only thing this does is increase the skill cap of the coaching staff around the league
Yeah but you get what I mean by this at least I fully agree with what you said also i don't see him doing much especially if the mollies are nerfed however I think he's good in the right hands and with the right strats kinda like all the new agents lately people just can't recognise that I think
Prasinos [#5]Not a new agent, a new beast.
Kayo? Nah, put a Sova plus Tejo.
Breach? Nah, put a Reyna or Phoenix plus Tejo.
Skye? Nah, put a Vyse with Tejo.
Sova? Nah, put a Chyper with Tejo
Fade? Only play Tejo 💀.I can see him shining in every single map besides split.
A meta breaker. And in allmost every single meta breaker, some dude will abuse of this meta, win every single shit, be nerfed til the ground, lose and stoping picking him.
Be serious. He has one easily destructible drone, no flashes, and no recon signature. He is not "replacing" any of these agents.
He will have about the same niche among initiators that Deadlock has among sentinels.
bees [#31]Be serious. He has one easily destructible drone, no flashes, and no recon signature. He is not "replacing" any of these agents.
He will have about the same niche among initiators that Deadlock has among sentinels.
https://youtu.be/CdRGRarms50?si=oXRLozw2DhdlarcN
01:41 - 01:58
(And I'm pretty sure its AOE explosion, you dont necessaly needs to look to the dude, just be at the range of explosion)
Prasinos [#32]https://youtu.be/CdRGRarms50?si=oXRLozw2DhdlarcN
01:41 - 01:58
(And I'm pretty sure its AOE explosion, you dont necessaly needs to look to the dude, just be at the range of explosion)
Needs line of sight that is so easy to play around if it didn't have all of the range it would be so bad
Prasinos [#32]https://youtu.be/CdRGRarms50?si=oXRLozw2DhdlarcN
01:41 - 01:58
(And I'm pretty sure its AOE explosion, you dont necessaly needs to look to the dude, just be at the range of explosion)
The shooting gallery, really? How many times are people gonna be sitting in the open on a 40m line of sight without cover in an actual game?
bees [#34]The shooting gallery, really? How many times are people gonna be sitting in the open on a 40m line of sight without cover in an actual game?
Its a AOE explosion, just put you foot on site and insta explode, it will tag someone at the corner.
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