Lock in was a masters

Fnatic bundle sadly confirms it…

I might get shit on for saying this, and I am obviously biased

but if an 8 team double elim tournament isn't mickey mouse
then a 32 team single elim where the top 5 teams (at the time) made top 5 sure isn't

(for the record, I don't think 8 team double elim is mickey mouse, I'm just using the fact to illustrate my point)

Aayan [#2]

I might get shit on for saying this, and I am obviously biased

but if an 8 team double elim tournament isn't mickey mouse
then a 32 team single elim where the top 5 teams (at the time) made top 5 sure isn't

(for the record, I don't think 8 team double elim is mickey mouse, I'm just using the fact to illustrate my point)

There is luck involved but it literally cannot be a mickey mouse when Fnatic was the most dominant team over the whole year

Aayan [#2]

I might get shit on for saying this, and I am obviously biased

but if an 8 team double elim tournament isn't mickey mouse
then a 32 team single elim where the top 5 teams (at the time) made top 5 sure isn't

(for the record, I don't think 8 team double elim is mickey mouse, I'm just using the fact to illustrate my point)

problem is everyone was invited, so no one had play to qualify for lockin, and most of the teams didnt have time to prepare. The only team that was preaparing for a long time was Fnatic. LOUD for example had very little time to prepare to the event alongside with the health problems on the team, Saadhak even said that if they won the first bo3 against GENG, that was a win already

MrBlooBloom [#3]

There is luck involved but it literally cannot be a mickey mouse when Fnatic was the most dominant team over the whole year

they were one of the only teams that was able to scirm for months before some teams even formed, and at tokyo eg had to practice without demon1 and prx had no something. It wasnt nearly as dominant as ppl think.

Revlo [#5]

they were one of the only teams that was able to scirm for months before some teams even formed, and at tokyo eg had to practice without demon1 and prx had no something. It wasnt nearly as dominant as ppl think.

That can also be true at the same time, but it doesn't discredit the tournament (it's not the fault of the TO or the other orgs/players)

Despite FPX not attending Masters Iceland 22, no one reasonably tries to discredit OPTC or LOUD
TH weren't great at Madrid due to things (sorta) out of their control, but that doesn't mean SENs win is underserved.

Maybe I'm just biased but there's a double standard when considering NA and EU teams due to the size of the fanbase (I've seen the same for NA teams in CS, and I think both are unjustified)
Also there's an argument for 'every team was invited', which tbh I don't really get. It means the good teams were invited too, and in fact the good teams did do well (Look at the top 4 + NRG),

Revlo [#5]

they were one of the only teams that was able to scirm for months before some teams even formed, and at tokyo eg had to practice without demon1 and prx had no something. It wasnt nearly as dominant as ppl think.

i mean is this not the excuse for all of the teams in americas for SEN dominating when the ex EG players weren't playing with their teams until january of 2024?

0/8

glittering_yard [#4]

problem is everyone was invited, so no one had play to qualify for lockin, and most of the teams didnt have time to prepare. The only team that was preaparing for a long time was Fnatic. LOUD for example had very little time to prepare to the event alongside with the health problems on the team, Saadhak even said that if they won the first bo3 against GENG, that was a win already

See #6, that pretty much sums up what I'd reply to this

If you're going to count lock-in as a masters where every team is brand new, why don't kickoff winners get a buddy, a title card and the effect on the skin??

riot doesn’t even consider lock in a masters
id rank it a tad bit lower than a masters but not by too much

champs > masters > lock//in

Revlo [#5]

they were one of the only teams that was able to scirm for months before some teams even formed, and at tokyo eg had to practice without demon1 and prx had no something. It wasnt nearly as dominant as ppl think.

nobody expected EG to make it to second, fair enough on PRX

Aayan [#2]

I might get shit on for saying this, and I am obviously biased

but if an 8 team double elim tournament isn't mickey mouse
then a 32 team single elim where the top 5 teams (at the time) made top 5 sure isn't

(for the record, I don't think 8 team double elim is mickey mouse, I'm just using the fact to illustrate my point)

Flag + flair.
Fraudnatic lost when it mattered most, getting dogwalked by Loud twice at Champs.

Azzelastia [#13]

Flag + flair.
Fraudnatic lost when it mattered most, getting dogwalked by Loud twice at Champs.

england is in UK… at least switch to USA if youre going to bait

Is that a surprise to anyone

just saying theres only 3 lans per year in franchising, lock//in is the first lan of franchising, no matter the format its lease superior to champs, meaning that it can only be a masters

envyz [#10]

If you're going to count lock-in as a masters where every team is brand new, why don't kickoff winners get a buddy, a title card and the effect on the skin??

Kickoff events are not international

FrenchToast [#11]

riot doesn’t even consider lock in a masters
id rank it a tad bit lower than a masters but not by too much

champs > masters > lock//in

Cry https://i.imgur.com/HCsaK6W.png

H3ENnZ [#15]

Is that a surprise to anyone

just saying theres only 3 lans per year in franchising, lock//in is the first lan of franchising, no matter the format its lease superior to champs, meaning that it can only be a masters

It's not a masters. It was an invitational single elim mickey mouse.

Azzelastia [#18]

It's not a masters. It was an invitational single elim mickey mouse.

Until now it is

Aayan [#9]

See #6, that pretty much sums up what I'd reply to this

i agree with you but just because it happened that the good teams won, there was very high chances of some random underdog teams that just suddenly wake up in the right day and eliminates a good team (which didnt happen somehow).

I actually wanted riot to make a lockin event every season with everyone invited, single elimination, because watching "do or die" matches in a very simple bracket is really fun, and EVERY match mattters. LOUD vs NRG and LOUD vs Fnatic at lockin were hall of of fame peak valorant (frustrating 11-3 but its part of the game and the story)

austyns [#7]

i mean is this not the excuse for all of the teams in americas for SEN dominating when the ex EG players weren't playing with their teams until january of 2024?

I dont remember people calling SEN dominant nearly to the same extent as fnatic

only masters with no qual, single elim, and no matches in the season before it

even Riot can cope, they are wrong and Leo Faria is a bum who doesnt respect competitive integrity if thats how he designed it

Azzelastia [#13]

Flag + flair.
Fraudnatic lost when it mattered most, getting dogwalked by Loud twice at Champs.

I'm sure your actual flag is 10x worse

Almighty [#16]

Kickoff events are not international

but EMEA leagues are? it makes no sense just make it for both lol

LOL, does it say masters sao paulo, crazy fnatics fans always bending narratives
edit: just checked the riot games article for lock in
it said "the tournament to kick off 2023"
no where was "masters" even mentioned

Aayan [#2]

I might get shit on for saying this, and I am obviously biased

but if an 8 team double elim tournament isn't mickey mouse
then a 32 team single elim where the top 5 teams (at the time) made top 5 sure isn't

(for the record, I don't think 8 team double elim is mickey mouse, I'm just using the fact to illustrate my point)

nobody said it's mickey meow, it's just not a masters which IT ISN'T, also 8 team masters are harder to qualify than fucking invite all teams

babysasuke [#22]

only masters with no qual, single elim, and no matches in the season before it

even Riot can cope, they are wrong and Leo Faria is a bum who doesnt respect competitive integrity if thats how he designed it

it's just considering international tourneys in that trophy spot, only champs has a different one.
fnatics fans bending narratives, clearly lock in isn't a masters, since it's in the name of the event.

1243 [#27]

it's just considering international tourneys in that trophy spot, only champs has a different one.
fnatics fans bending narratives, clearly lock in isn't a masters, since it's in the name of the event.

thats just what shitnatic fans do, they know the team is talentless so they'll take their pity results and try to compare themselves to actually great teams

no other options on the table because they have some weird fascination with keeping a botfragging, stubborn, useless IGL to make the content team's life easier instead of actually fielding 5 players that are world class

a master /major alway have two parts
part 1 qualification
part 2 main event

lock in lack part one that's why it's not a master or major

Aayan [#6]

That can also be true at the same time, but it doesn't discredit the tournament (it's not the fault of the TO or the other orgs/players)

Despite FPX not attending Masters Iceland 22, no one reasonably tries to discredit OPTC or LOUD
TH weren't great at Madrid due to things (sorta) out of their control, but that doesn't mean SENs win is underserved.

Maybe I'm just biased but there's a double standard when considering NA and EU teams due to the size of the fanbase (I've seen the same for NA teams in CS, and I think both are unjustified)
Also there's an argument for 'every team was invited', which tbh I don't really get. It means the good teams were invited too, and in fact the good teams did do well (Look at the top 4 + NRG),

LOCK IN:
lowest 1st place prize pool of any event
32 teams, and the path to top 4 was 3 matches
no qualifiers
90% of the teams hadnt played any officials together
no double elim
no group stage
the top 4 teams were literally just teams that stuck together, or teams that scrimmed 3 months before everyone (besides chad loud who lost their top 2 players in offseason and only lost bc of chokezin and pooyz)
all of the promotion leading up to this event labels it as a showcasing of the new franchised league, it wasnt labeled as a elite tournament

tokyo:
top 3 teams had visa issues

madrid:
team heretics always knew wo0t wasnt going to be old enough, this isnt the case here

at champions when loud, eg, and prx were at full strength fnatic was bulldozed

VGG [#29]

a master /major alway have two parts
part 1 qualification
part 2 main event

lock in lack part one that's why it's not a master or major

Qualification part was getting chosen for franchise 💀

the fact that people still care enough to litigate this is proof babysasuke won

gamergirl [#30]

LOCK IN:
lowest 1st place prize pool of any event
32 teams, and the path to top 4 was 3 matches
no qualifiers
90% of the teams hadnt played any officials together
no double elim
no group stage
the top 4 teams were literally just teams that stuck together, or teams that scrimmed 3 months before everyone (besides chad loud who lost their top 2 players in offseason and only lost bc of chokezin and pooyz)
all of the promotion leading up to this event labels it as a showcasing of the new franchised league, it wasnt labeled as a elite tournament

tokyo:
top 3 teams had visa issues

madrid:
team heretics always knew wo0t wasnt going to be old enough, this isnt the case here

at champions when loud, eg, and prx were at full strength fnatic was bulldozed

fnatic was "bulldozed" by one team and the other two teams knew what it was like to be actually bulldozed by fnatic

Lock in is in the running for best international.

envyz [#24]

but EMEA leagues are? it makes no sense just make it for both lol

international implies multiple continents and regions

KyLZi [#34]

Lock in is in the running for best international.

not a master though, it's officially called "LOCK // IN SAO PAULO, BRAZIL"
everything else about which was the best event is opinionated

who cares if its a masters or not

its still an international

and it was 32 teams so more competition despite being invitational

also being the only LOCK//IN champion is cold

Taruuu1 [#37]

who cares if its a masters or not

its still an international

and it was 32 teams so more competition despite being invitational

also being the only LOCK//IN champion is cold

yeah all valid, everything you said is valid, it's just not a MASTERS which people fail to understand (fnatic fans)
like riot doesn't even consider lock in a masters how hard is it to understand that

idkmanwth [#33]

fnatic was "bulldozed" by one team and the other two teams knew what it was like to be actually bulldozed by fnatic

with visa issues yeah