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Shadow_Monarch

You guys think everyone in VCT will still play Omen or transition to Astra after the Omen nerf?

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Some will, if the smokes player is more comfortable on astra, while it does remove some really good one way, the blind and the tp are still really good

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probably still omen there werent that many silly oneways that got patched out on haven

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Agreed. For Omen, Haven will be kind of a safe stay for him. His TP and flash are also a bit more valuable than an astra suck and concuss. I can see Omen maybe going on Split and even Lotus.

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SuperRoss

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i expect most teams willing to experiment will make the switch

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SuperRoss

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upon further thinking i think omen is better on haven given his tp, very useful pretty much everywhere on the map
though astra does have her own advantages.

i actually think haven is a map where we might see some teams try astra and omen togheter

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The paranoia is just too good on Haven. +The ult can be somewhat useful on it, which is pretty rare.
Also Astra smokes are not specifically useful on Haven contrary to Abyss or Pearl

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Galactc

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Strangely enough id argue the one-way nerf mostly affected viability on brim maps (bind and fracture) so we might see some more brim again

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no one even played omen on either of those maps

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Galactc

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I remember teams at least playing omen on fracture

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j3bx5597

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TH this year, and Loud last year did

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cloudberry

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It should be Astra, but these tier 1 teams are very stubborn

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Galactc

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While I agree tier 1 teams are stubborn I think the omen nerf was greatly exaggerated

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cloudberry

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It's not the Omen nerfs that matter imo, it's the Astra buff

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Galactc

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Depends on the team/how they play if they can play around the limited smokes then astra but omen if they play faster executes and or prefer having infinite smokes to deny info

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uwukitten

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omen's blind alone is worth more than every astra ability

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The paranoia is probably the best ability in the game with the deadlock gravnet being close second and haven is one of the best maps for paranoia at a lot of spots so I don't think it'll be a complete replacement but there'll be a lot more astra and omen variations

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catNmouse

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maybe teams will experiment. i dont expect them to switch completely

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MerkFreeks

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Probably like a 60-40 split with many keeping Omen but some switching to Astra

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catNmouse

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gj on the nrg game btw your team deserved that

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Aayan

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Haven'll be one of the least affected maps by the omen nerf I think
the only one way that pros frequently used (out of the ones that you can't do anymore) is the garage one

I think astra is better now though regardless because of 5 stars, so maybe for that reason her pick rate will go higher, but I don't see her replacing omen completely since a lot of players are comfortable on Omen