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c4rrotstix [#2]"nrg will be good" - nrg fan circa 2023
"nrg will be good" - nrg fan circa 2024
"nrg will be good" - nrg fan circa 2025
there is no reason to doubt them this year, it is completely different than 2024
KyLZi [#6]I dont think we should be mad if they place top 5 or 6 in amer, though.
Anything less than top 3 we should be mad
Very very mad
Frooti [#3]Fax
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Leo better
no arguing with that
Saadhak/boaster clears
Seemon clears as of recent but ethan is very good
Mako/Smoggy better
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If you meant in NA then sure i guess
Frooti [#7]Anything less than top 3 we should be mad
Very very mad
G2, Lev, Sen, 100T could all be better
Frooti [#3]Fax
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Leo. that is all
sure but derke, zekken, oxy, jawg, asuna, aspas, t3xture, kk, etc
boaster, sadhaak
chronicle, sacy, victor, etc
mako, bang, karon, kingg, valyn, etc
catNmouse [#8]Leo better
no arguing with that
Saadhak/boaster clears
Seemon clears as of recent but ethan is very good
Mako/Smoggy better
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If you meant in NA then sure i guess
Its 2024 and you’re saying mako 💀
Thats crazy
c4rrotstix [#2]"nrg will be good" - nrg fan circa 2023
"nrg will be good" - nrg fan circa 2024
"nrg will be good" - nrg fan circa 2025
To be fair, NRG were at least good in 2023
Frooti [#11]Its 2024 and you’re saying mako 💀
Thats crazy
Mako was playing from kickoff to champions, s0m was only playing in stage 2 💀
KyLZi [#9]G2, Lev, Sen, 100T could all be better
not only could
g2 was a top 8 team at champs with ICY
lev could implode sure but 100t is making an upgrade and they were playing at a masters winning form before rookie overconfidence took over, and sen arguably is upgrading with bang being just a tad bit worse than tenz, and n4rrate being hugely better than sacy (CURRENTLY NOT ALL TIME SACY IS THE GOAT) in aim
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michaelisupset [#5]there is no reason to doubt them this year, it is completely different than 2024
"there is no reason to doubt them this year, it is completely different than 2023" - nrg fan circa 2024
c4rrotstix [#10]Leo. that is all
sure but derke, zekken, oxy, jawg, asuna, aspas, t3xture, kk, etc
boaster, sadhaak
chronicle, sacy, victor, etc
mako, bang, karon, kingg, valyn, etc
Leo hasn’t played in a while and was on the decline
Debatable ig
Just in terms of util, ethan is the best ever, no debate
None of those guys are even close to s0m, statistically or by eye test. You guys dk how good s0m really is
Frooti [#11]Its 2024 and you’re saying mako 💀
Thats crazy
In 2024 ur saying FNS is the best igl 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀, i mean I like FNS but he is no where near the best anymore. Boostio/johnqT/ boaster /saadhak fuck even vanity clears.
Conceit [#12]To be fair, NRG were at least good in 2023
true
if they got a tad bit luckier i think they had a chance to win lockin, they went toe to toe with loud who should have closed it out in 5 to fnc, and also if they didnt cove incident, nrg had eg's number the ENTIRE season so they could have finalisted again aswell.
but billi billi so
Frooti [#17]Leo hasn’t played in a while and was on the decline
Debatable ig
Just in terms of util, ethan is the best ever, no debate
None of those guys are even close to s0m, statistically or by eye test. You guys dk how good s0m really is
LEO IS ON THE DECLINE
welcome back fart
Frooti [#3]Fax
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Don't worry. They dont understand how good Verno is. If Mada plays well and consistent in 2025, NRG will be really strong for sure. Ethan really good so is S0m, and we'll see how FNS does in shots calling and aiming.
Frooti [#17]Leo hasn’t played in a while and was on the decline
Debatable ig
Just in terms of util, ethan is the best ever, no debate
None of those guys are even close to s0m, statistically or by eye test. You guys dk how good s0m really is
By eye test valyn, mako, karon, bang and kingg are also super insane cracked players that are just as good if not better
Also saying leo is on the decline is a crazy take when he didn’t perform that badly in shanghai while being sick and shat on heretics in stage 1
catNmouse [#13]Mako was playing from kickoff to champions, s0m was only playing in stage 2 💀
S0m still had insane stats for being in one of the worse teams in the league
Last year he was insane as well
The fact that you are bringing uo Mako in 2024 is crazy. Even bang, zander, karon, and many others are way better
Like seriously, there are so many options and you pick mako? He isn’t even the best korean controller
xelto1 [#18]In 2024 ur saying FNS is the best igl 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀, i mean I like FNS but he is no where near the best anymore. Boostio/johnqT/ boaster /saadhak fuck even vanity clears.
He is the best ever
And he basically didn’t play last year
Let him cook
catNmouse [#22]By eye test valyn, mako, karon, bang and kingg are also super insane cracked players that are just as good if not better
Also saying leo is on the decline is a crazy take when he didn’t perform that badly in shanghai while being sick and shat on heretics in stage 1
I guess the tiebreaker is stats which only karon is close in
But regardless my point still stands
NRG is crazy this year
c4rrotstix [#19]true
if they got a tad bit luckier i think they had a chance to win lockin, they went toe to toe with loud who should have closed it out in 5 to fnc, and also if they didnt cove incident, nrg had eg's number the ENTIRE season so they could have finalisted again aswell.
but billi billi so
God bili bili was so funny, I hope we see something like it again
Frooti [#23]S0m still had insane stats for being in one of the worse teams in the league
Last year he was insane as well
The fact that you are bringing uo Mako in 2024 is crazy. Even bang, zander, karon, and many others are way better
Like seriously, there are so many options and you pick mako? He isn’t even the best korean controller
S0m still had insane stats for being in one of the worse teams in the league
Mako has the burden of IGLING very young players mind you and he still has good stats, still able to get top 6 on top of that and saying zander is better than mako is the craziest take of today lmao
Frooti [#24]He is the best ever
And he basically didn’t play last year
Let him cook
i am an fns megaglazer but you cannot be serious
in terms of calling what fns brings in igl skill others like johnqt can bring, albeit slightly worse, but they will have the aim to win their team rounds and maps, which is something that fns cannot do
catNmouse [#28]S0m still had insane stats for being in one of the worse teams in the league
Mako has the burden of IGLING very young players mind you and he still has good stats, still able to get top 6 on top of that and saying zander is better than mako is the craziest take of today lmao
Ok well regardless, since mako is igling next year I think it is unfair to include him in this conversation
He is no longer one of the best, whether it is due to igling or not
Frooti [#30]Ok well regardless, since mako is igling next year I think it is unfair to include him in this conversation
He is no longer one of the best, whether it is due to igling or not
Then neither is s0m
Cabo_ [#25]I get it FNS is a smart IGL and a great in game leader but bro needs an aim coach LMAO
Yea this is the only way NRG loses next year
As long as FNS doesn't go quad neg every game we should win at least one event
Frooti [#24]He is the best ever
And he basically didn’t play last year
Let him cook
C'mon bro getting butt fucked by Blg and c9 ( choking fucking 5-12) isn't best ever material. Now if FNS wins a master's or champs next year sure we can consider that but if not he is no where near top 5 . Getting diffed by sage mommy is another masterclass of a stink too
xelto1 [#33]C'mon bro getting butt fucked by Blg and c9 ( choking fucking 5-12) isn't best ever material. Now if FNS wins a master's or champs next year sure we can consider that but if not he is no where near top 5 . Getting diffed by sage mommy is another masterclass of a stink too
Cant be boaster (carried by team)
Can’t be saadhak (became insta washed after his star duelist left). Also makes up braindead pheonix comps and puts himself on duelist
My GOAT pujan had the best year in VALORANT history in 2022 and still had a good amount of success the next year after losing his hard carries. Nobody can midround better
Frooti [#34]s0m doesn’t igl homie what’re you saying
It’s not about igling lmao, you mentioned that s0m was pulling up numbers while being one of the worst teams in the league while I said that mako has the burden of IGLING very young players and still has good games despite that so it is a fair trade off. I like s0m but don’t act like he’s the undisputed best
Frooti [#35]Cant be boaster (carried by team)
Can’t be saadhak (became insta washed after his star duelist left). Also makes up braindead pheonix comps and puts himself on duelist
My GOAT pujan had the best year in VALORANT history in 2022 and still had a good amount of success the next year after losing his hard carries. Nobody can midround better
Cant be boaster (carried by team)
FNS also gets carried by his team though…
Boaster still made it to top 4 masters and top 6 champs without leo and chronicle btw and that’s with enz0 and m0stic
catNmouse [#36]It’s not about igling lmao, you mentioned that s0m was pulling up numbers while being one of the worst teams in the league while I said that mako has the burden of IGLING very young players and still has good games despite that so it is a fair trade off. I like s0m but don’t act like he’s the undisputed best
He is though
But the controller role in general is the most uncompetitive in this game
Only Karon rivals his consistency and skill
Frooti [#38]He is though
But the controller role in general is the most uncompetitive in this game
Only Karon rivals his consistency and skill
Smoggy and Mako too lol
catNmouse [#37]Cant be boaster (carried by team)
FNS also gets carried by his team though…
Boaster still made it to top 4 masters and top 6 champs without leo and chronicle btw and that’s with enz0 and m0stic
Maybe in terms of scoreboard
I just feel like personally Boaster’s teams (2023 FNC) have been great because of his insane teammates’ skill instead of his actually igling
I feel like FNS’s teams have been great more because of his igling and calling
Just my opinion though
catNmouse [#39]Smoggy and Mako too lol
Mako fell off last year
Smoggy is hella inconsistent
Bro has been in the game for years but only actually played good and found success in champs.
Bro was shit for most of this and last year
Frooti [#40]Maybe in terms of scoreboard
I just feel like personally Boaster’s teams (2023 FNC) have been great because of his insane teammates’ skill instead of his actually igling
I feel like FNS’s teams have been great more because of his igling and calling
Just my opinion though
He was able to IGL his team without little to no mid round help in champs to top 6 this year simultaneously making sure alfajer doesn’t int. Maybe it’s not transparent in 2023 but part of their success is how boaster calls the game and makes mid round adjustment exactly like how fns did in 2022
catNmouse [#42]He was able to IGL his team without little to no mid round help in champs to top 6 this year simultaneously making sure alfajer doesn’t int. Maybe it’s not transparent in 2023 but part of their success is how boaster calls the game and makes mid round adjustment exactly like how fns did in 2022
If thats how you feel, then fine
Also boaster is even more of a liability than FNS in terms of frags, so another edge for FNS
Frooti [#41]Mako fell off last year
Smoggy is hella inconsistent
Bro has been in the game for years but only actually played good and found success in champs.
Bro was shit for most of this and last year
Smoggy was their best performer in shanghai even if he went 0-2 in playoffs
s0m wasn’t even playing while madrid and shanghai were going on 💀 so I get why it’s easy to judge other players if they had a shit year or not
c4rrotstix [#14]not only could
g2 was a top 8 team at champs with ICY
lev could implode sure but 100t is making an upgrade and they were playing at a masters winning form before rookie overconfidence took over, and sen arguably is upgrading with bang being just a tad bit worse than tenz, and n4rrate being hugely better than sacy (CURRENTLY NOT ALL TIME SACY IS THE GOAT) in aim
right, its almost expected that they they are behind these teams. But I feel like if they do they will get a ton of hate.
Frooti [#43]If thats how you feel, then fine
Also boaster is even more of a liability than FNS in terms of frags, so another edge for FNS
It isn’t easy to find a middle ground for IGLs like boaster and FNS, both are shit aimers but have very very big knowledge of the game, they would have to sacrifice their aim and stats like that for their team to succeed. Boaster was actually pretty well in kickoff but they didn’t make madrid so
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TheAceGamer30 [#48]Can you fucking shut up man . Your takes are so delusional and post the same fucking posts
Womp womp
You fell off
Cry about it
SEN was better last year
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