"SUPERTEAM"

From now on, can we only use "Superteam" if they have all 4-5 players on a roster that are STAR players?

STAR players, like players who are/were at one point well respected in the game because they are/were great in the eyes of majority of the people.
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For ex. Demon1, FNS, S0m, Jawgemo, Aspas, Zekken, Less, Alfajer, Leo etc.

C0m isn't because majority of the people know he doesn't hold that value, yet.
Yay is still a star player, although he has had rough years but still a star to many fans.

Keep it simple you know?

is s0m really a star player tho in terms of achievements

Not reading all that, just tell me if the rumoured vitality roster is a superteam or not.
Sayf trexx derke less and an unknown 5th

Som is not a star

can you define star player in PRX?

gold2peak [#4]

Som is not a star

disagree

Bro snuck in s0m

what’s s0m doijg there?

gold2peak [#4]

Som is not a star

Facts
At last g0ld2peak has a good take

"star player" and "superteam" don't mean shit other than just those players being subjectively good, and a lot of the time it's that they were good on a specific team with specific chemistry and strats that they no longer have.

Is EDG a superteam? Is 2023 EG? What about 2022 LOUD? Because they definitely weren't considered as such until they actually won things, and now their players are in high demand.

catNmouse [#8]

what’s s0m doijg there?

You're not slick buddy
why did u originally say fns

catNmouse [#8]

what’s s0m doijg there?

Wasn't he the best Controller Americas at one point? Well he was the best player in NRG for sure before though.

nutab1e [#2]

is s0m really a star player tho in terms of achievements

s0m is overrated

bees [#10]

"star player" and "superteam" don't mean shit other than just those players being subjectively good, and a lot of the time it's that they were good on a specific team with specific chemistry and strats that they no longer have.

Is EDG a superteam? Is 2023 EG? What about 2022 LOUD? Because they definitely weren't considered as such until they actually won things, and now their players are in high demand.

Exactly, hence the great players are considered star players. You just proved your point. But I just insist atleast 4-5 star players for a "superteam" since rosters change over time.

Demon1_The_GOAT [#14]

Exactly, hence the great players are considered star players. You just proved your point. But I just insist atleast 4-5 star players for a "superteam" since rosters change over time.

But my point is that the real "superteams" (i.e. the ones that win it all) are rarely called superteams until they win things.

They're usually just any other competitive team that grinds their way up and fixes their issues over time. They're not a random lineup of "star players" from each role assembled at the start of the year.

So….

VIT is a Super team

• Derke | Trexx | Sayf | Less | any Make-a-Wish kid

G2 is a Super team

• Jawgemo | Trent | JonahP | Valyn | Leaf

Am I missing anyone? Also, Trent could return back to his Ascension form where he looked like a Radiant Smurf in a Diamond lobby. Think G2 would be the 2025 version of prime FNC if that happens.

Edit: Now that I think about it, these are more like regional favorites instead of “super” teams that are guaranteed to take multiple trophies. Valorant has never had a true super team.

unknown_trash [#3]

Not reading all that, just tell me if the rumoured vitality roster is a superteam or not.
Sayf trexx derke less and an unknown 5th

I guess they keep Cender as there IGL or looking for someone else.

So Vitality 2025 chould be Trexx, Sayf, Cender, Derke, Less.

According to rumors

gold2peak [#4]

Som is not a star

he is, he's best controller in NA

sm0ke3 [#18]

he is, he's best controller in NA

He was for a year

Ultia [#16]

So….

VIT is a Super team

• Derke | Trexx | Sayf | Less | any Make-a-Wish kid

G2 is a Super team

• Jawgemo | Trent | JonahP | Valyn | Leaf

Am I missing anyone? Also, Trent could return back to his Ascension form where he looked like a Radiant Smurf in a Diamond lobby. Think G2 would be the 2025 version of prime FNC if that happens.

Edit: Now that I think about it, these are more like regional favorites instead of “super” teams that are guaranteed to take multiple trophies. Valorant has never had a true super team.

JohnaP is a star player?

Ultia [#16]

So….

VIT is a Super team

• Derke | Trexx | Sayf | Less | any Make-a-Wish kid

G2 is a Super team

• Jawgemo | Trent | JonahP | Valyn | Leaf

Am I missing anyone? Also, Trent could return back to his Ascension form where he looked like a Radiant Smurf in a Diamond lobby. Think G2 would be the 2025 version of prime FNC if that happens.

Edit: Now that I think about it, these are more like regional favorites instead of “super” teams that are guaranteed to take multiple trophies. Valorant has never had a true super team.

Can JoshRT stop playing like 2023 fnatic so trent can actually perform better?

Ultia [#16]

So….

VIT is a Super team

• Derke | Trexx | Sayf | Less | any Make-a-Wish kid

G2 is a Super team

• Jawgemo | Trent | JonahP | Valyn | Leaf

Am I missing anyone? Also, Trent could return back to his Ascension form where he looked like a Radiant Smurf in a Diamond lobby. Think G2 would be the 2025 version of prime FNC if that happens.

Edit: Now that I think about it, these are more like regional favorites instead of “super” teams that are guaranteed to take multiple trophies. Valorant has never had a true super team.

Gold2 ? WTF

Ultia [#16]

So….

VIT is a Super team

• Derke | Trexx | Sayf | Less | any Make-a-Wish kid

G2 is a Super team

• Jawgemo | Trent | JonahP | Valyn | Leaf

Am I missing anyone? Also, Trent could return back to his Ascension form where he looked like a Radiant Smurf in a Diamond lobby. Think G2 would be the 2025 version of prime FNC if that happens.

Edit: Now that I think about it, these are more like regional favorites instead of “super” teams that are guaranteed to take multiple trophies. Valorant has never had a true super team.

VIT yes, G2 I don't think anyone besides Jawgemo and the majority would probably agree. Except the biased G2 fans.

Defining a star player is difficult
whats the metric?

• Achievement? Pretty inaccurate overall
• Stats? Very inaccurate
• Eye test? Heavily subjective and will only have arguments the more in the middle a player is
• What about igls? are they measured differently? For example boaster and fns are known to be great igls but frag terribly. (if you say both are star players, how about the IGLS who we dont know how much they help the team? what happens?

so overall I say no to this proposal

GambleNats [#24]

Defining a star player is difficult
whats the metric?

• Achievement? Pretty inaccurate overall
• Stats? Very inaccurate
• Eye test? Heavily subjective and will only have arguments the more in the middle a player is
• What about igls? are they measured differently? For example boaster and fns are known to be great igls but frag terribly. (if you say both are star players, how about the IGLS who we dont know how much they help the team? what happens?

so overall I say no to this proposal

Yeah it is difficult. Since everyone can be subjective in their own way. I guess just popular vote of majority of people who think the player is worthy of high value and respected in the game. Not all trophy winners are that high tier level like other star players either. FNS and Saadhak were once called the best IGL's in the world so they are star players, but Boaster haha I'm not sure either. It's tough.

unknown_trash [#3]

Not reading all that, just tell me if the rumoured vitality roster is a superteam or not.
Sayf trexx derke less and an unknown 5th

Less in a 1v5 is a superteam

Bog [#22]

Gold2 ? WTF

same international trophies as lulquid

bees [#15]

But my point is that the real "superteams" (i.e. the ones that win it all) are rarely called superteams until they win things.

They're usually just any other competitive team that grinds their way up and fixes their issues over time. They're not a random lineup of "star players" from each role assembled at the start of the year.

I think the context most vlr users use for "superteams" are teams that are formed from a mix of already accomplished-star players.

Demon1_The_GOAT [#25]

Yeah it is difficult. Since everyone can be subjective in their own way. I guess just popular vote of majority of people who think the player is worthy of high value and respected in the game. Not all trophy winners are that high tier level like other star players either. FNS and Saadhak were once called the best IGL's in the world so they are star players, but Boaster haha I'm not sure either. It's tough.

When all the tier 1 rosters get announced I think I will make a google form for people to answer to see who people generally think are superstar players or not

GambleNats [#29]

When all the tier 1 rosters get announced I think I will make a google form for people to answer to see who people generally think are superstar players or not

That'll be fun to see, just in general.

Yeah I feel star players should not be players who just popped off last year.

Demon1_The_GOAT [#28]

I think the context most vlr users use for "superteams" are teams that are formed from a mix of already accomplished-star players.

Exactly but it's a misleading term because those teams rarely actually win anything, so how are they "super" other than having high expectations?

gold2peak [#19]

He was for a year

he played good for joining the team late into the season, tenz was the better omen but s0m is the better controller