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Leo vs Sacy
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Average_NA_fan [#9]s0cy is dogshit but he clears le0
flukenatic is the most overrated team ever
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Swxtchrr [#7]Leo is way more consistent imo. Sacy has had a higher peak but over time his average is definitely lower than Leo's
This is the best answer here
velocity05 [#13]who has the champs?
it's a team game. There's no comparing the two as individual players, as Leo is WAY better than sacy. You'd be delusional to think otherwise.
eszett [#5]only one has champions and masters
Ah yes the champions and masters awards which are awarded only to SINGLE players in a FIVE VS FIVE Video Game, for sure whoever won those INDIVIDUAL Awards is the best.
Farambe [#17]Ah yes the champions and masters awards which are awarded only to SINGLE players in a FIVE VS FIVE Video Game, for sure whoever won those INDIVIDUAL Awards is the best.
seethe lil bud
Farambe [#17]Ah yes the champions and masters awards which are awarded only to SINGLE players in a FIVE VS FIVE Video Game, for sure whoever won those INDIVIDUAL Awards is the best.
https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf
yeah...
OneTapDesign [#16]it's a team game. There's no comparing the two as individual players, as Leo is WAY better than sacy. You'd be delusional to think otherwise.
https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf
UvuvwevwevweOnyetenyevwe [#27]Leo is a baiter but still better than sacy, saccy is a mid player
Leo has an International MVP title
sacccy = zero
https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf
Swxtchrr [#7]Leo is way more consistent imo. Sacy has had a higher peak but over time his average is definitely lower than Leo's
Is that true? The peak of Sacy was dropping 201 ACS against OpTic while Leo averaged 210 ACS in 2023 over the course of all 3 internationals.
Based on util leo always seemed to be the best initiator in the world at almost any given day
Mechanically leo is above Sacy
And when leo encountered Sacy (only once, in LOCK//IN), Leo was 8-6 in duels
Marshal_D_Teach [#30]https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf
He wasn't the MVP, pancada was the real MVP
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1015/valorant-champions-2022
Farambe [#34]yeah...
wdym yeah?? flash init isn't sacy's comfort role lol. He's literally top fragging the map after that one. I believe Leo is better but don't cherry pick bad maps lol
thiagomds [#19]Sacy was the MVP in the champions GF, so it's obvious that Leo is better right now.
aspas was mvp in the gf lol
welikefortniteandvalorant [#32]Is that true? The peak of Sacy was dropping 201 ACS against OpTic while Leo averaged 210 ACS in 2023 over the course of all 3 internationals.
Based on util leo always seemed to be the best initiator in the world at almost any given day
Mechanically leo is above Sacy
And when leo encountered Sacy (only once, in LOCK//IN), Leo was 8-6 in duels
Yet Sacy is still the more decorated player.
Of course, Leo is mechanically and fundamentally a better player, but Sacy has proven that he can be a kingpin for his team in high pressure situations and matches multiple times.
Like I said, Sacy's peak was higher, in terms of value and achievements but Leo is more consistent overall
All this talk of "Champions Sacy" seems to really raise peoples expectations. That being said we have some insane fragging initiators in top teams at the moment and I'd love to see Sacy reach that level again.
Such a shame Sacy not getting his respect, and might never. The last round we saw him (at the time of writing) is the perfect example why. Perfect fade seize that completely counters Fnatic's only chance for the round - winning the heaven fight, - gifting zekken an ez 2k, winning the round and game.
But people won't remember it because it won't be recorded under ACS, Rating, or +/-. But it will win you championships, something Leo couldn't do because he got gapped twice by Sacy's replacement.
2bored [#44]ppl discrediting sacys team achievements are the same ppl who puts Chronicle above aspas in the goat convo due to his team achievements even though aspas being machanically better and more consistent throughtout his debut
Thats emea for u. They will keep bring up trophies on any conversation
M7mdA13 [#36]wdym yeah?? flash init isn't sacy's comfort role lol. He's literally top fragging the map after that one. I believe Leo is better but don't cherry pick bad maps lol
his 2nd most played agent is literally skye
UvuvwevwevweOnyetenyevwe [#33]He wasn't the MVP, pancada was the real MVP
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1015/valorant-champions-2022
Pretty much don't care. Bro was the Final MVP
localkoolkid [#51]https://www.vlr.gg/167368/sentinels-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-omega-ro16
Still don't care. Some lose will never change the fact bro won Champions and was the Finals MVP
Marshal_D_Teach [#52]Still don't care. Some lose will never change the fact bro won Champions and was the Finals MVP
some things will never change, like how Leo > Sacy
Marshal_D_Teach [#55]Welp. Read #31
was gonna debate until I saw the name, we don't got beef no more
Swxtchrr [#45]Yet Sacy is still the more decorated player.
Of course, Leo is mechanically and fundamentally a better player, but Sacy has proven that he can be a kingpin for his team in high pressure situations and matches multiple times.
Like I said, Sacy's peak was higher, in terms of value and achievements but Leo is more consistent overall
All this talk of "Champions Sacy" seems to really raise peoples expectations. That being said we have some insane fragging initiators in top teams at the moment and I'd love to see Sacy reach that level again.
Leos peak was dropping 300+ ACS on Sova/Fade back to back against the former world champions in his first grand final appearance.
Sure Sacy has a champs trophy to his name and could even get a second one which makes him miles above leo in terms of achievements but saying Sacy had a higher peak than Leo is invalid imo.
But iirc correctly Sacy was a second caller on LOUD so in terms of such, (organization, teamplay etc) he is above leo, but pure mechanical abilities and util usage leo is so clear of Sacy.
Swxtchrr [#45]Yet Sacy is still the more decorated player.
Of course, Leo is mechanically and fundamentally a better player, but Sacy has proven that he can be a kingpin for his team in high pressure situations and matches multiple times.
Like I said, Sacy's peak was higher, in terms of value and achievements but Leo is more consistent overall
All this talk of "Champions Sacy" seems to really raise peoples expectations. That being said we have some insane fragging initiators in top teams at the moment and I'd love to see Sacy reach that level again.
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