How to spot a new VCT watcher

• "Yay/Optic werent good they only abused Chamber" EDIT: Yes they did use chamber but the argument they were only good because chamber is idiotic since litterally every team used him on a majority of their maps
• "TenZ/SEN werent good in Reykavik 21 they only were good because it was farmers leauge"
• "Loud were by far the best team in 2022"
• "Jinggg is horrible PRX should replace him and play meta comps"
• "DRX are better now then when they had Stax/Rb/Zest"
• "Zekken is a top tier jett player"
• "Potter isnt a good coach"
• "FNS is washed"
• "Saadhak is washed"
• "Primmie is better than Aspas"

idk theres probably more but this is just the ones I could think of now

when they don't know who barce is

You right

realest thread ive seen

makoidk [#2]

when they don't know who barce is

man really brought back a memory from 2020 - 2021 ZETA division/Absolute Jupitor.

real

"Rb is the not one of the best flex players itw"

"china doesn't deserve 4 slots"

Almost half of those things are right lmao. The only people who still believe that y0y was good are literally registered yesterday, diamond noobs. Also

"x is better neon than rb/victor"

Fns and saadhak are beyond washed atp. Jingg is very overrated. Optic did abuse chamber but they were also good.

Registered: January 25, 2023

laeDLaer [#11]

Fns and saadhak are beyond washed atp. Jingg is very overrated. Optic did abuse chamber but they were also good.

a good team will obviously abuse the broken agent for the current meta

All point agreeable definitely except the DRX one let's see how far they go this time with this lineup ( the DRX with stax rb zest was a beast undebatable)

DRX definitely have better aimers now
Jingg is way too one dimensional for PRX
Loud is the best team equal to optic in 2022

laeDLaer [#11]

Fns and saadhak are beyond washed atp. Jingg is very overrated. Optic did abuse chamber but they were also good.

Fns ain't washed up , he literally made a broken team look so good but not excellent in the limited 40 day training period he got). Sadhak is still a world class igl and ain't washed , give him a good duelist and see him at an international again next year, jingg isn't overrated u haven't seen him play when he's shooting highly , optic abused chamber obviously but anyone could have done it so that's not a valid point

loapoarg [#15]

DRX definitely have better aimers now
Jingg is way too one dimensional for PRX
Loud is the best team equal to optic in 2022

Jingg point makes sense but if u look closely it wasn't his problem, it's simply cause in 2023 meta , he played raze as a lot of maps were raze like fracture and on pearl he was on the pheonix absolutely farming teams , icebox was their permanent ban and they had cooked up a surprisingly successful comp on ascent with reyna harbor and raze , this year he didn't even know that he was gonna compete prolly like until March and since he thought he was retiring he didn't try to learn new agents in the off season , this year the meta shifted and he hasn't gotten a very good time considering they are always qualifying for internationals to learn a new agent

The amount of times I see the 1st point is crazy

arin2016 [#9]

Almost half of those things are right lmao. The only people who still believe that y0y was good are literally registered yesterday, diamond noobs. Also

Botb keke

a lot of these are right but holy shit how did you kill your argument so fast

true dude

the drx one could become true in the future, but for now I agree the old drx was better

arin2016 [#9]

Almost half of those things are right lmao. The only people who still believe that y0y was good are literally registered yesterday, diamond noobs. Also

Botb keke

retarded

Based as fuck

“RB is not the best player itw”

KClaw [#17]

Jingg point makes sense but if u look closely it wasn't his problem, it's simply cause in 2023 meta , he played raze as a lot of maps were raze like fracture and on pearl he was on the pheonix absolutely farming teams , icebox was their permanent ban and they had cooked up a surprisingly successful comp on ascent with reyna harbor and raze , this year he didn't even know that he was gonna compete prolly like until March and since he thought he was retiring he didn't try to learn new agents in the off season , this year the meta shifted and he hasn't gotten a very good time considering they are always qualifying for internationals to learn a new agent

alecks said they tried jinggg on diff agents he just sucked at it

I feel like DRX is a better team now to some extent. I don't feel like Stax, Rb, nor Zest were the problem though

"Yay wasn't the problem"

Hobbit [#26]

I feel like DRX is a better team now to some extent. I don't feel like Stax, Rb, nor Zest were the problem though

I was gonna say I feel like their game philosophy was the issue not the players. Exec heavy teams account for everything going their way and worry less about the anomalies (the what ifs) which is fine for when they were dominant because they were by far the best team/ players in the league but if anything they have evolved and it's a good change

y'all know im an og

"Yay/Optic werent good they only abused Chamber" true
"TenZ/SEN werent good in Reykavik 21 they only were good because it was farmers leauge" true lol where they were after reykjavik
"Loud were by far the best team in 2022" true
"Jinggg is horrible PRX should replace him and play meta comps" true
"DRX are better now then when they had Stax/Rb/Zest" i like flashback but absolutely false
"Zekken is a top tier jett player" false
"Potter isnt a good coach" false
"FNS is washed" false
"Saadhak is washed" false
"Primmie is better than Aspas" false

More like how to spot a baiter

heavensentsaint [#24]

“RB is not the best player itw”

thats for the thread "how to spot the dumbest people on earth"

Hobbit [#26]

I feel like DRX is a better team now to some extent. I don't feel like Stax, Rb, nor Zest were the problem though

well the way termi coached the players was fundamentally outdated

the meta became less about set plays and more about things on the fly and adapting to shit

even right now they play similarly but can brawl better because of better aimers

People who don't recognise the threat of fnatic

First 3 are correct anyone that says otherwise is American fat monkeys

waxsly [#34]

First 3 are correct anyone that says otherwise is American fat monkeys

kingsin 👉👑

• Then why did yay have one of the biggest fall offs in all of VCT after just one year when Chamber wasn't busted? Surely he was a one trick pony because so many Chamber players have adapted well and are still doing good like Cryo, Demon1 etc.

• This is sort of a valid take. The pro scene was new and teams barely had any proper mid rounding or strats in Reykjavik '21. SEN just happened to have the best aimers on their team and hence won the event. Not trying to undermine their achievement however, as they still had to show up and they absolutely did.

• Not a completely bad take. OpTic placed 1st, 3rd and 2nd throughout 2022 while LOUD bombed out in groups at Copenhagen, so consistency wise OpTic is better. LOUD did win Champions though, so there's that.

• This is a valid take lol
  Jinggg can't play anything other than Raze and recently Neon on a high level, and that's forcing PRX to play comps with multiple holes in them, which is then making them lose more this year.

• First bad take. The DRX team with Zest and Rb was always making playoffs internationally, and were consistent enough to be considered a threat.

• Another bad take. Zekken is a cracked Raze, but his Jett is kinda mid. However, you can't blame him as dude has so many games of Raze compared to his Jett and was primarily a Raze / Flex player instead of a full time duelist, and even then he's put up good enough numbers.

• Whoever disrespects potter is a lowlife, that's all I've got to say.

• Uhh excuse me? He still is one of the best brains the game has ever seen. He just had to rejoin NRG at the most unfortunate time with their season on the line. I'm sure if he was on NRG from the beginning, it would've been a completely different story in terms of NRG's campaign.

• I honestly don't know how to answer this one because he's still a great IGL and player, but LOUD's 2024 season has been so atrocious to the point where I understand why people think this way.

• Look, primmie is very talented. But he's nowhere near aspas' level as of now because unlike primmie, aspas has been destroying his opponents for 3 seasons straight (starting in 2022) at the highest level while primmie just got signed. Maybe in the future if he continues to play like this he'll probably be equal to / better than aspas.

SXNFLGJL [#22]

retarded

the 2016 in his name is prob the yr he was born

makoidk [#2]

when they don't know who barce is

is that the brim guy

only 3,5 of the point is wrong the rest kinda right really