CS players call s1mple the goat with 1 major and even before he won a major
because it's plain to anyone with eyes that no one comes close individually in the server
same goes for aspas
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Aspas is clearly the goat
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Sushi_ [#5]Aspas is the statistical goat, he is the goat duelist, and is the current best player in the world. With that said it feels disrespectful to ignore Chronicle in this convo as I think he is the only player with an equally strong case though i personally favor aspas
excluding regional stats, aspas isnt even top 30 all time
BUFF163 [#8]excluding regional stats, aspas isnt even top 30 all time
Aspas has more accolades as a player than China as a region
Sushi_ [#9]Aspas has more accolades as a player than China as a region
there's like 50 players with more trophies than china
BUFF163 [#7]aspas can only farm domestic qualifiers, on the international stage he has never had good stats
funfact: the only player on that list that didnt get hard diffed by aspas at some point is Yay
i_am_mako [#12]more mvp's then any SHITTMEA PLAYER
They should start teaching math in Korea. Pretty useful
i_am_mako [#12]more mvp's then any SHITTMEA PLAYER
saying something like this when Alfajer had literally one of the greatest rating on International ever is crazy
BUFF163 [#7]aspas can only farm domestic qualifiers, on the international stage he has never had good stats
Bro has only gone to one tournament being the far and away best player on his team and his team shit the bed
On LOUD he was sharing stats with Less and Pancada and even sacy at times while being put up against prime El diablo chamber every other game while never being a chamber abuser.
Sushi_ [#18]Bro has only gone to one tournament being the far and away best player on his team and his team shit the bed
On LOUD he was sharing stats with Less and Pancada and even sacy at times while being put up against prime El diablo chamber every other game while never being a chamber abuser.
2023? no sacy, no pancada, no yay, and asspiss is still nowhere to be found
BUFF163 [#8]excluding regional stats, aspas isnt even top 30 all time
That's too far. He's top 10 but i agre that the "goat" narrative has been WAY out of hand. He's never had a top 1 international performance and just before this year he wasn't close to being top 5 let alone the goat
BUFF163 [#8]excluding regional stats, aspas isnt even top 30 all time
what? aspas performed great in most events too
uwukitten [#24]what? aspas performed great in most events too
unfortunately vlr has a mickey mouse rating system so we can't even use that
I don't know why this is debate. Aspas is clearly the best player who ever played Valorant and you are so dumb if you deny that fact. Only one player makes any opponent ran away from his spike site. Only one player are able to do plays like he does. Only one player can raise the bar of any team of the world, even when a comrade are in a slump. And this player is Erick Santos. Obviously all Leviatan players raised the level (even C0M got some improvements in his stats), Mazino made a great series, but Aspas is the main reason why Leviatan is, right now, a top 3 potencial in the Champions.
BUFF163 [#25]which one?
he didn't have a peak as high as them but he's been more consistent than the majority of the people on that list and if you average out the stats he'd be above them + most of the people on that list are there from 2022 and 2021 aside from the fnatic players who were dominating in 2023. 2022 was aspas' rookie year, it's much harder to get these stats now (even demon1 who arguably had the highest peak in the game is near the bottom of the list)
lilcheese [#14]They should start teaching math in Korea. Pretty useful
making fun of math in korea is not that funny lol
ct_fd_str [#31]making fun of math in korea is not that funny lol
Wait is math a sensitive subject over there? My bad if it is lol
lilcheese [#32]Wait is math a sensitive subject over there? My bad if it is lol
im pretty sure koreans have a school system that is soo focused on math that other shit is bascically ignored lol
uwukitten [#29]he didn't have a peak as high as them but he's been more consistent than the majority of the people on that list and if you average out the stats he'd be above them + most of the people on that list are there from 2022 and 2021 aside from the fnatic players who were dominating in 2023. 2022 was aspas' rookie year, it's much harder to get these stats now (even demon1 who arguably had the highest peak in the game is near the bottom of the list)
You don't become the goat because you're consistently good, you become the goat by being the best for quite a long stretch of time. Faker or S1mple or flash didn't become the goat because they were just good but cuz they dominated the ENTIRE competition for a good amount of time. Aspas on the other hand has not even come close to doing that let alone doing it for multiple years. Aspas has longevity (the game is still fairly young so it's not the most impressive thing) but he doesn't have the peak. There have been way more impressive players than Aspas before
uwukitten [#29]he didn't have a peak as high as them but he's been more consistent than the majority of the people on that list and if you average out the stats he'd be above them + most of the people on that list are there from 2022 and 2021 aside from the fnatic players who were dominating in 2023. 2022 was aspas' rookie year, it's much harder to get these stats now (even demon1 who arguably had the highest peak in the game is near the bottom of the list)
he's consistently shit
ZekaTheGoat [#34]You don't become the goat because you're consistently good, you become the goat by being the best for quite a long stretch of time. Faker or S1mple or flash didn't become the goat because they were just good but cuz they dominated the ENTIRE competition for a good amount of time. Aspas on the other hand has not even come close to doing that let alone doing it for multiple years. Aspas has longevity (the game is still fairly young so it's not the most impressive thing) but he doesn't have the peak. There have been way more impressive players than Aspas before
where are they now? being consistently top tier for 3 years is better than being the best itw for a few months
sure, aspas can't be compared to someone like s1mple of faker (no one can since the game hasn't had enough time) but he's the most qualified. if you think peak is all that matters then do you think yay is the goat of valorant? demon1 is the goat of valorant? if another player shows up and has a 1.3 rating for 2 years then I'll say they're better than aspas, but for now he's the best of all time
uwukitten [#37]where are they now? being consistently top tier for 3 years is better than being the best itw for a few months
sure, aspas can't be compared to someone like s1mple of faker (no one can since the game hasn't had enough time) but he's the most qualified. if you think peak is all that matters then do you think yay is the goat of valorant? demon1 is the goat of valorant? if another player shows up and has a 1.3 rating for 2 years then I'll say they're better than aspas, but for now he's the best of all time
aspas is consistently bottom tier when it comes to international events
uwukitten [#37]where are they now? being consistently top tier for 3 years is better than being the best itw for a few months
sure, aspas can't be compared to someone like s1mple of faker (no one can since the game hasn't had enough time) but he's the most qualified. if you think peak is all that matters then do you think yay is the goat of valorant? demon1 is the goat of valorant? if another player shows up and has a 1.3 rating for 2 years then I'll say they're better than aspas, but for now he's the best of all time
Asspas has 0 MVPs brother. That's not the top
lilcheese [#41]Actually or just bs?
yeah they said it in the broadcast at least.
EDIT: nvm, seangares said it https://x.com/seangares/status/1815199668831449427
BUFF163 [#38]aspas is consistently bottom tier when it comes to international events
yeah you're just retarded 😹he did good in every event you named, and you're clearly new to the game since his "bad" events were in 2022 yet you bring up his good performances in others
how about you name another player that's better all time instead of being a complete retard?
lilcheese [#40]Asspas has 0 MVPs brother. That's not the top
who is better all time? and "top tier" doesn't mean he's the best player itw but he was definitely top 3 in his role for a large portion of his career
FNS_KITTEN [#2]s1mple is just different man, he is your fav player fav player, i wont call aspas the same level but if he keeps this up for another 4 years then we talk.
S1mple is trash
uwukitten [#43]yeah you're just retarded 😹he did good in every event you named, and you're clearly new to the game since his "bad" events were in 2022 yet you bring up his good performances in others
how about you name another player that's better all time instead of being a complete retard?
if he did good then where is his name?
BUFF163 [#46]if he did good then where is his name?
bait used to be believable 😹😹😹and you didn't answer the question, as expected of an ape
Nachtel [#42]yeah they said it in the broadcast at least.
EDIT: nvm, seangares said it https://x.com/seangares/status/1815199668831449427
I was talking about international. Nobody takes regionals seriously, domestic match ups always have weird results
uwukitten [#47]bait used to be believable 😹😹😹and you didn't answer the question, as expected of an ape
asspiss has never performed well in any major tournament
Average_NA_fan [#13]funfact: the only player on that list that didnt get hard diffed by aspas at some point is Yay
"that didnt get hard diffed by aspas at some point is Yay"
uwukitten [#44]who is better all time? and "top tier" doesn't mean he's the best player itw but he was definitely top 3 in his role for a large portion of his career
He is but calling him a goat... The "Goat" should be someone with multiple MVPs or be successful with multiple teams. At least that's what I think
number1_MIBR_hater [#50]"that didnt get hard diffed by aspas at some point is Yay"
yay ended that match 78/68 aspas 71/68
Average_NA_fan [#53]yay ended that match 78/68 aspas 71/68
Aspas ended the whole series after that round and ended up winning champions and yay is nowhere to be seem now
number1_MIBR_hater [#54]Aspas ended the whole series after that round and ended up winning champions and yay is nowhere to be seem now
BR0N71L
FNS_KITTEN [#2]s1mple is just different man, he is your fav player fav player, i wont call aspas the same level but if he keeps this up for another 4 years then we talk.
Completely right.
People called s1mple the goat before he winning a major coz he kept performing on evp/mvp level for 6 years straight.
And I think Aspas can do the same in valo. But he is already the best player by far.
lilcheese [#32]Wait is math a sensitive subject over there? My bad if it is lol
Racist Europeans at it again
lilcheese [#48]I was talking about international. Nobody takes regionals seriously, domestic match ups always have weird results
Americas is the best region so it counts as S+ tier, Unlike MEMEA™️ which is a tier B max
uwukitten [#37]where are they now? being consistently top tier for 3 years is better than being the best itw for a few months
sure, aspas can't be compared to someone like s1mple of faker (no one can since the game hasn't had enough time) but he's the most qualified. if you think peak is all that matters then do you think yay is the goat of valorant? demon1 is the goat of valorant? if another player shows up and has a 1.3 rating for 2 years then I'll say they're better than aspas, but for now he's the best of all time
That's the problem with the "Aspas goat" narrative, y'all are too impatient. Y'all can't wait. He's one of the the best but he's far from the goat. He'll need atleast 5 more years to be in contention at the pace that his performing at.
Like the game is 4 yrs old and it's not like he dominated in those 4 years to the point that any player in the future won't be able to pass him. Within those 4 yrs when's the only time the he was considered THE BEST? The past 2 months or so. Do you know how ridiculous it is to call someone the goat when they've only really been considered as the best for 2 months? Yay had ONE AND A HALF YEAR of being THE undisputed best itw. Now I'm not saying yay is the goat but that's objectively more impressive. Not to mention Yay did it in international events while Aspas has yet to, despite being the "Best in the world" right now.
Let Aspas play out his prime and then wait for 3-5 more years. Y'all are just way too impatient and is just forcing the narrative to the point of even revisionizing history by saying "he's been the best for 3 years" or whatever
lilcheese [#52]He is but calling him a goat... The "Goat" should be someone with multiple MVPs or be successful with multiple teams. At least that's what I think
Exactly. Everyone just seems desperate for a Goat that they're willing to force someone into the position. Like I've never seen an Esports where there's an occasional post that tries to convince everyone why "this guy is the goat". In other Esports the goat is the goat because they dominated for a long time in the past and even though they've cooled down now and they're not the best anymore they're still pretty decent. Aspas hasn't even done the "dominating part" yet he's the "GOAT"? Let him play and let the game age more before we can even began discussing who's GOAT
ZekaTheGoat [#62]That's the problem with the "Aspas goat" narrative, y'all are too impatient. Y'all can't wait. He's one of the the best but he's far from the goat. He'll need atleast 5 more years to be in contention at the pace that his performing at.
Like the game is 4 yrs old and it's not like he dominated in those 4 years to the point that any player in the future won't be able to pass him. Within those 4 yrs when's the only time the he was considered THE BEST? The past 2 months or so. Do you know how ridiculous it is to call someone the goat when they've only really been considered as the best for 2 months? Yay had ONE AND A HALF YEAR of being THE undisputed best itw. Now I'm not saying yay is the goat but that's objectively more impressive. Not to mention Yay did it in international events while Aspas has yet to, despite being the "Best in the world" right now.
Let Aspas play out his prime and then wait for 3-5 more years. Y'all are just way too impatient and is just forcing the narrative to the point of even revisionizing history by saying "he's been the best for 3 years" or whatever
what? yay only had 1 year of being the undisputed best, I don't think people considered him the best in 2021. "goat" just means greatest of all time, why does it have to wait? tenz was the goat after reykjavik even if the game was 2 months old
anyth1ng [#61]Americas is the best region so it counts as S+ tier, Unlike MEMEA™️ which is a tier B max
Every Ahhmerican team got eliminated by EMEA and 13-1ed by them 💀. Shit they shouldn't even be on a tier list, that's how bad they are 😂 🫵 🫵 🫵
lilcheese [#65]Every Ahhmerican team got eliminated by EMEA and 13-1ed by them 💀. Shit they shouldn't even be on a tier list, that's how bad they are 😂 🫵 🫵 🫵
where are u from
uwukitten [#64]what? yay only had 1 year of being the undisputed best, I don't think people considered him the best in 2021. "goat" just means greatest of all time, why does it have to wait? tenz was the goat after reykjavik even if the game was 2 months old
You are clearly trolling so I'm not gonna argue further.
Cu55Ku55_______ [#58]Racist Europeans at it again
not his job to know every single culture in the world :skull:
FNS_KITTEN [#2]s1mple is just different man, he is your fav player fav player, i wont call aspas the same level but if he keeps this up for another 4 years then we talk.
who is s1mple? i dont watch cs
anyth1ng [#61]Americas is the best region so it counts as S+ tier, Unlike MEMEA™️ which is a tier B max
bait never was believable
ZekaTheGoat [#70]You are clearly trolling so I'm not gonna argue further.
you're arguing using your own definition of the word rather than what it actually means, tf you mean I'm trolling 😭
Pubber [#75]lmao lets look at ur post history racist
Search up the word racist first. Twitter people are invading vlr 😭
lilcheese [#78]Search up the word racist first. Twitter people are invading vlr 😭
you're already banned lil bro
lilcheese [#52]He is but calling him a goat... The "Goat" should be someone with multiple MVPs or be successful with multiple teams. At least that's what I think
I think when it comes to goat status, you need both individual performance and team success (imo individual performance > team success but I digress). You have to win a major while being the one to lead your team. Chronicle was a role player in most of the majors he won (only argument you can make is the 2021 Masters, but him and nats were neck and neck and nats outfragged him in every game except the GF) and Aspas didn't lead Loud to the Champs 2022 win (everyone on that team played an equal part, swear to god everyone on that team top fragged at least once). So, in my opinion, there isn't really a GOAT in Val yet, however, if Aspas wins Champs while being the one to lead Lev I would say that Aspas is easily the "closest" to being the GOAT.
ToastByToast [#82]bro fucking LOVES this list
It's his go to and will fuel his narrative that Aspas never performed internationally. Bro might be the goat at nitpicking stats.
AltonBu02 [#83]I think when it comes to goat status, you need both individual performance and team success (imo individual performance > team success but I digress). You have to win a major while being the one to lead your team. Chronicle was a role player in most of the majors he won (only argument you can make is the 2021 Masters, but him and nats were neck and neck and nats outfragged him in every game except the GF) and Aspas didn't lead Loud to the Champs 2022 win (everyone on that team played an equal part, swear to god everyone on that team top fragged at least once). So, in my opinion, there isn't really a GOAT in Val yet, however, if Aspas wins Champs while being the one to lead Lev I would say that Aspas is easily the "closest" to being the GOAT.
Exactly, there isn't no Valorant goat yet. People just want to jump on the train in search of Valorant's s1mple meanwhile s1mple has like over 20 lan MVPs. And it's just hard in Val only having 3 big tournaments a year
kanyefan4238173 [#80]no, he makes so many regular mistakes when he plays. chronicle is clearly better and contributes more directly to winning
aspas top 3 tho
no
BweadGaming6969696969 [#72]not his job to know every single culture in the world :skull:
Whatever u say lil bro
uwukitten [#77]you're arguing using your own definition of the word rather than what it actually means, tf you mean I'm trolling 😭
"Tenz was the goat after Reykjavik" now that I've thought about it, you're probably just new to Esports or sports in general, or retarded, or trolling. One of the three for sure.
ZekaTheGoat [#89]"Tenz was the goat after Reykjavik" now that I've thought about it, you're probably just new to Esports or sports in general, or retarded, or trolling. One of the three for sure.
words have meanings which you refuse to acknowledge 😹sure, he wouldn't have the prestige of other esport "goats" but he'd still be the goat, you're clearly too retarded to acknowledge any meaning aside from your head cannon
Pubber [#74]who is s1mple? i dont watch cs
as FlaymeFenix said; the faker of cs
and if you don't know faker, s1mple is the messi/cr7 of cs
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