why is everybody overrating EG from 2023 so much? Even as far as calling Demon1 the best player of 2023 when he had a mid performance besides champs
2023 EG is peak Valorant. No other team has yet exhibited the same level of coordination, explosiveness, flexibility, and clutch factor — although GenG is likely the closest. Demon1’s performance from Champs is also unmatched and his stats prove that; no other player has been as dominant outside of 2021 Tenz when the scene was in its infancy.
Gutwi [#10]Look at all the fatmericas fans coping
"And Tuyz... OH MY GOD TUYZ! WHAT A CLUTCH, WHAT A WAY TO PUSH LOUD UP TO 11"
Ultia [#15]2023 EG is peak Valorant. No other team has yet exhibited the same level of coordination, explosiveness, flexibility, and clutch factor — although GenG is likely the closest. Demon1’s performance from Champs is also unmatched and his stats prove that; no other player has been as dominant outside of 2021 Tenz when the scene was in its infancy.
alfajer and leo's ratings from tokyo are still better than demon1's in champions. Yay's rating in champions 2022, Mako's rating in Reykjavik 2022. Leo's rating in Lock//IN. How was demon1's performance in champs 2023 unmatched??? xD
Gutwi [#17]alfajer and leo's ratings from tokyo are still better than demon1's in champions. Yay's rating in champions 2022, Mako's rating in Reykjavik 2022. Leo's rating in Lock//IN. How was demon1's performance in champs 2023 unmatched??? xD
It’s easy to have high ratings when your team is dominating comparatively weak opponents. It’s like saying Mike Tyson beating a heavyweight challenger is unimpressive just because it looks less dominant than you smacking around a toddler.
eg 2023 is looked back on fondly for a few reasons, personally I like them because they played extremely clean valorant that prioritised teamwork over individualism most of the time while still having room for innovation on maps like fracture and pearl. They also had undeniably the most insane underdog storyline in valorant history and completely imploded right after winning champs without even retaining a core so they never fell off as a team in the way 2021 sen, 2023 nrg or 2024 fnc and loud did
Ultia [#19]It’s easy to have high ratings when your team is dominating comparatively weak opponents. It’s like saying Mike Tyson beating a heavyweight challenger is unimpressive just because it looks less dominant than you smacking around a toddler.
Leo & Alfajer destroyed Demon1's team so what's your point? Are you calling them weak as well now? XD
shaq_attaqr [#20]eg 2023 is looked back on fondly for a few reasons, personally I like them because they played extremely clean valorant that prioritised teamwork over individualism most of the time while still having room for innovation on maps like fracture and pearl. They also had undeniably the most insane underdog storyline in valorant history and completely imploded right after winning champs without even retaining a core so they never fell off as a team in the way 2021 sen, 2023 nrg or 2024 fnc and loud did
yeah, so people are only rating them high because of the underdog storyline
w0v [#23]0/8 they literally won champs in dominant fashion and a fnatic biased emea fan decides to claim demon1 was mid must be mad your team did bad at champs huh
look at how demon1 is doing right now? XD got 1 fluke tournament and everyone is overrating them classic americafats
Gutwi [#22]yeah, so people are only rating them high because of the underdog storyline
it's sad to be this uninterested in actually listening to what people are saying when they've taken their time to answer the question you asked them. At least you can watch your washed team go 0-2 at internationals, I have to watch potter try and make miracles happen again with jawgemo and friends
shaq_attaqr [#25]it's sad to be this uninterested in actually listening to what people are saying when they've taken their time to answer the question you asked them. At least you can watch your washed team go 0-2 at internationals, I have to watch potter try and make miracles happen again with jawgemo and friends
i have watched them last year and never understood why theyre so overrated by dogs like you, theres a reason they all fell off XD
Gutwi [#26]i have watched them last year and never understood why theyre so overrated by dogs like you, theres a reason they all fell off XD
Wait you aren't baiting your ass off Kappa
Gutwi [#26]i have watched them last year and never understood why theyre so overrated by dogs like you, theres a reason they all fell off XD
fnc flair talking about falling off is the most shameless thing I've seen in a while
Gutwi [#21]Leo & Alfajer destroyed Demon1's team so what's your point? Are you calling them weak as well now? XD
There’s no inconsistency in what I’m saying dude.
At Tokyo, EG was the only competitive team given PRX had a sub — and yes, EG was expected to be much weaker. They only fixed their map pool and comps going into Champs. FNC was the overwhelming favorite going into Tokyo, while there were 4 teams at Champs that looked like winning contenders.
Teams get stronger and weaker over time relative to their competition. Champs 2023 is the most competitive tournament thus far and EG was the best team there, with Demon1 having the most dominant performance.
This isn't complicated.
Gutwi [#26]i have watched them last year and never understood why theyre so overrated by dogs like you, theres a reason they all fell off XD
Yes FNC was dominant in 2023 but they failed to capitalize off of that dominance and came up short vs EG who ended up winning
shaq_attaqr [#29]fnc flair talking about falling off is the most shameless thing I've seen in a while
EG literally fell off harder than FNC by like tenfold so idk what youre talking about, keep coping though
Ultia [#30]There’s no inconsistency in what I’m saying dude.
At Tokyo, EG was the only competitive team given PRX had a sub — and yes, EG was expected to be much weaker. They only fixed their map pool and comps going into Champs. FNC was the overwhelming favorite going into Tokyo, while there were 4 teams at Champs that looked like winning contenders.
Teams get stronger and weaker over time relative to their competition. Champs 2023 is the most competitive tournament thus far and EG was the best team there, with Demon1 having the most dominant performance.
This isn't complicated.
We all know Fnatic would've dominated EG if they didn't choke against LOUD
Gutwi [#33]We all know Fnatic would've dominated EG if they didn't choke against LOUD
They still choked against loud which kind of says something about how good they really were
Gutwi [#24]look at how demon1 is doing right now? XD got 1 fluke tournament and everyone is overrating them classic americafats
tokyo was a mickey mouse tournament 😂😂
GodAwfulGod [#34]They still choked against loud which kind of says something about how good they really were
oh so choking against LOUD diminishes how dominant they were beforehand? Also FNC weren't really able to play to their full potential this year because of Leo being ill yet they were able to beat a full squad TH with wo0t and miniboo, a better TH than the one that played against GenG
Manaphy [#39]I beg that you guys stop replying to this person. You will genuinely do right by them if you stop conversing with them so that they don't have to be a perma baiter on vlr with nothing going on in their lives other than trying to win Valorant internet arguements.
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thwifo_fan [#35]no lmao
FNATIC was good for most of the 2023 season but then when champions came around they choked hard when it really mattered like they always do, EG didn't choke and won and EG won against some of the strongest teams wear as FNATIC did not.
Gutwi [#37]oh so choking against LOUD diminishes how dominant they were beforehand? Also FNC weren't really able to play to their full potential this year because of Leo being ill yet they were able to beat a full squad TH with wo0t and miniboo, a better TH than the one that played against GenG
They were dominant up until 2023 champions and they were easily the favorites to win and then you're team lost against loud twice, they had two chances to beat loud and failed both times meanwhile EG won against loud, FNATIC probably would not have won against EG if they couldn't even beat loud. Also I didn't mention anything about FNATIC's 2024 season, I was strictly talking about their 2023 season.
Yuh_aye [#16]"And Tuyz... OH MY GOD TUYZ! WHAT A CLUTCH, WHAT A WAY TO PUSH LOUD UP TO 11"
which round was this clutch
GodAwfulGod [#43]They were dominant up until 2023 champions and they were easily the favorites to win and then you're team lost against loud twice, they had two chances to beat loud and failed both times meanwhile EG won against loud, FNATIC probably would not have won against EG if they couldn't even beat loud. Also I didn't mention anything about FNATIC's 2024 season, I was strictly talking about their 2023 season.
This guy wont understand brother you should speak your facts to another user
GodAwfulGod [#42]FNATIC was good for most of the 2023 season but then when champions came around they choked hard when it really mattered like they always do, EG didn't choke and won and EG won against some of the strongest teams wear as FNATIC did not.
oh i was replying to the other guy mb i like eg
thwifo_fan [#47]oh i was replying to the other guy mb i like eg
Oh sorry, I didn't realize you were talking about the other guy mb
Gutwi [#32]EG literally fell off harder than FNC by like tenfold so idk what youre talking about, keep coping though
fnc went from the same roster winning back to back internationals to not winning a single match, meanwhile eg has had literal left overs and have improved at a rate fnc will never achieve
valkin [#50]fnc went from the same roster winning back to back internationals to not winning a single match, meanwhile eg has had literal left overs and have improved at a rate fnc will never achieve
valorant players are actually the dumbest people alive, how is fnc not winning a single match when they won EMEA stage 1? That is with Leo being sick as well. Meanwhile all the EG players have done NOTHING except Boostio who won Americas stage 1 as well.
Gutwi [#51]valorant players are actually the dumbest people alive, how is fnc not winning a single match when they won EMEA stage 1? That is with Leo being sick as well. Meanwhile all the EG players have done NOTHING except Boostio who won Americas stage 1 as well.
valkin [#52]
- fnc went winless in shanghai and didn’t even qual for madrid (same exact roster btw)
- god your so fucking slow i don’t even want to explain to you why eg players haven’t had as much success
you're the one fucking slow, FNC didn't qual for madrid because they got ONE unlucky game against KC and do I need to explain why they went winless in shanghai (against FUT too) when Leo HAD to take a break from valorant because of his illness? Even then Fnatic had much more success than EG beating a full roster TH who would shit on the whole of americas
Gutwi [#53]you're the one fucking slow, FNC didn't qual for madrid because they got ONE unlucky game against KC and do I need to explain why they went winless in shanghai (against FUT too) when Leo HAD to take a break from valorant because of his illness? Even then Fnatic had much more success than EG beating a full roster TH who would shit on the whole of americas
fnc only beat heretics due to experience gap and their map pool not being as defined yet, beating a emea team being their only accomplishment this year is humiliating
if eg from 2023 stayed they would have steamrolled sen in madrid and geng in shanghai (obviously if they kept the same form)
fnc was never a good team they just mechanically diffed players the whole way through, once they played a team with mechanics and strategy they got absolutely shit on (loud), no matter what they had 2 rematches against loud and still got bitched both times, fnc are overrated bums
Gutwi [#53]you're the one fucking slow, FNC didn't qual for madrid because they got ONE unlucky game against KC and do I need to explain why they went winless in shanghai (against FUT too) when Leo HAD to take a break from valorant because of his illness? Even then Fnatic had much more success than EG beating a full roster TH who would shit on the whole of americas
You always say that FNC got unlucky or they went against a hard opponent, that doesn't change the fact that they didn't produce results. Also Leo may have been away with an illness but FNC still has Alfa and Chronicle, easily two of the best players in VCT. Also FNC won one game against TH and lost the very next game to TH, to me it just seems they got lucky when beating TH. If you compare TH has lost multiple times against American teams, they lost to Sen in Master Madrid, and they have lost to G2 2 times. Also why are you bringing up America when your team hasn't faced an American team this season, just because TH can beat American teams doesn't mean FNC can.
GodAwfulGod [#56]You always say that FNC got unlucky or they went against a hard opponent, that doesn't change the fact that they didn't produce results. Also Leo may have been away with an illness but FNC still has Alfa and Chronicle, easily two of the best players in VCT. Also FNC won one game against TH and lost the very next game to TH, to me it just seems they got lucky when beating TH. If you compare TH has lost multiple times against American teams, they lost to Sen in Master Madrid, and they have lost to G2 2 times. Also why are you bringing up America when your team hasn't faced an American team this season, just because TH can beat American teams doesn't mean FNC can.
you fatmericans with your uselss amount of education is really showing how dumb you are, how many times did i repeat that Fnatic this year was nerfed and TH in madrid werent full squad either?
valkin [#55]
fnc only beat heretics due to experience gap and their map pool not being as defined yet, beating a emea team being their only accomplishment this year is humiliating
if eg from 2023 stayed they would have steamrolled sen in madrid and geng in shanghai (obviously if they kept the same form)
fnc was never a good team they just mechanically diffed players the whole way through, once they played a team with mechanics and strategy they got absolutely shit on (loud), no matter what they had 2 rematches against loud and still got bitched both times, fnc are overrated bums
and you're just a EG dicksucker, is there a reason why Fnatic shat on EG so hard in 2023? even though they never played against a good team?
Gutwi [#59]and you're just a EG dicksucker, is there a reason why Fnatic shat on EG so hard in 2023? even though they never played against a good team?
yea they got a lucky spam kill that prevented overtime which gave them a 2 map ban advantage
completely forgetting the fact that eg also barely prepped with demon1 during tokyo since they thought they were gonna play with a sub + playing back to back
is there a reason as to why fnatic got shit on by loud so hard in 2023? even though they won 2 events??
valkin [#60]yea they got a lucky spam kill that prevented overtime which gave them a 2 map ban advantage
completely forgetting the fact that eg also barely prepped with demon1 during tokyo since they thought they were gonna play with a sub + playing back to back
is there a reason as to why fnatic got shit on by loud so hard in 2023? even though they won 2 events??
maybe LOUD overprepped for Fnatic? Like why else would LOUD be doing bad all year? Oh so now Fnatic is lucky? Let me guess, you're plat at most in valorant
Gutwi [#58]you fatmericans with your uselss amount of education is really showing how dumb you are, how many times did i repeat that Fnatic this year was nerfed and TH in madrid werent full squad either?
It doesn't matter if FNC was nerfed or not, also you act like FNC is Leo and friends, they have a strong team even without Leo, you can see this because Leo is currently benched and they're doing fine in stage 2, you can't say a team is nerfed if they are missing one player who isn't even doing that well, also TH may not have been a full squad in madrid but how does that explain their two losses to G2 during shanghai, and you may say that they won against G2 in LF, but they only one one time out of the three times they faced off.
Gutwi [#61]maybe LOUD overprepped for Fnatic? Like why else would LOUD be doing bad all year? Oh so now Fnatic is lucky? Let me guess, you're plat at most in valorant
immortal 1 buddy
loud only did bad in tokyo and that's because saadhack tried new comps that didn't work
fnatic didn't change anything for the rematch?? sounds like a shit team to me idk tho
valkin [#63]immortal 1 buddy
loud only did bad in tokyo and that's because saadhack tried new comps that didn't work
fnatic didn't change anything for the rematch?? sounds like a shit team to me idk tho
immortal 1 but you cant even think of the fact that leo can hear where Ethan was shooting from and spam it? This is why immortals 1 are so shit shit compared to immortal 3
GodAwfulGod [#62]It doesn't matter if FNC was nerfed or not, also you act like FNC is Leo and friends, they have a strong team even without Leo, you can see this because Leo is currently benched and they're doing fine in stage 2, you can't say a team is nerfed if they are missing one player who isn't even doing that well, also TH may not have been a full squad in madrid but how does that explain their two losses to G2 during shanghai, and you may say that they won against G2 in LF, but they only one one time out of the three times they faced off.
You are actually acoustic, did you ever wonder that FNC was doing bad this year because Leo was really ill? Hence switching players made them look much better? Oh and why did TH lose to G2 during shanghai? That's because they weren't also full squad there smartass. \
Gutwi [#65]You are actually acoustic, did you ever wonder that FNC was doing bad this year because Leo was really ill? Hence switching players made them look much better? Oh and why did TH lose to G2 during shanghai? That's because they weren't also full squad there smartass. \
I'm saying FNC should not have been doing badly even without Leo, they have one of the best rosters and even without leo they have been doing fine recently, you act like leo is the only reason FNC was doing badly, and that if FNC doesn't have Leo they can't do anything. Also it was miniboo's choice to take a break, TH also isn't only miniboo, and I doubt miniboo would have really changed the results, and patitek wasn't even that bad, if you look at the mistakes that TH made during those loosing matches against G2 it was obviously not a duelist diff. Also Hiro may not be as good as Leo but Hiro is putting up consistent numbers and is doing fine. FNC has no reason to have actually done badly, and even if Leo was sick they could have replaced him with hiro sooner and done better.
GodAwfulGod [#67]I'm saying FNC should not have been doing badly even without Leo, they have one of the best rosters and even without leo they have been doing fine recently, you act like leo is the only reason FNC was doing badly, and that if FNC doesn't have Leo they can't do anything. Also it was miniboo's choice to take a break, TH also isn't only miniboo, and I doubt miniboo would have really changed the results, and patitek wasn't even that bad, if you look at the mistakes that TH made during those loosing matches against G2 it was obviously not a duelist diff. Also Hiro may not be as good as Leo but Hiro is putting up consistent numbers and is doing fine. FNC has no reason to have actually done badly, and even if Leo was sick they could have replaced him with hiro sooner and done better.
you fatmericans are actually not humans, do you even read properly or come up with scenarios up your ass? 1. TH were practicing with Miniboo not Patitek. Americas fans surely talk a lot of about EG not playing good during tokyo because they didnt have a lot of practice with demon1 but when it comes to TH, it suddenly doesnt apply to them anymore huh? "and even if Leo was sick they could have replaced him with hiro sooner and done better." - Most braindead statement ever
Gutwi [#68]you fatmericans are actually not humans, do you even read properly or come up with scenarios up your ass? 1. TH were practicing with Miniboo not Patitek. Americas fans surely talk a lot of about EG not playing good during tokyo because they didnt have a lot of practice with demon1 but when it comes to TH, it suddenly doesnt apply to them anymore huh? "and even if Leo was sick they could have replaced him with hiro sooner and done better." - Most braindead statement ever
Are you saying Leo who was sick was going to do better than Hiro who was not sick at all obviously not, also you just contradicted yourself there by saying that TH was not a full squad but you literally just proved that they were a full squad, its not like miniboo was benched so TH was a full squad they just decided that miniboo was better after shanghai, and sorry for not knowing every little detail on your mediocre league, like you guys have FUT and TH and those are the only note worthy teams from your region, and you may say, oh but FNC this and FNC that, FNC has hardly any success when it comes to masters and champions. They only ever have success in the regular season in a sense they're just like KRU.
OoscaMc [#2]least obvious vlr bait
if you dont agree with the following, I can give a lot of arguments.
top 12 teams of 2023 overall year performance:
top 20 players of 2023 overall year performance:
note: keep in mind Leo and Alfajer's consistency and stats were on Initiator and Sentinel. While Demon1's were on duelist (his stats would be higher because of this). Also Demon1 didnt exist in LOCK//IN, so that takes a toll on his ranking.
GodAwfulGod [#69]Are you saying Leo who was sick was going to do better than Hiro who was not sick at all obviously not, also you just contradicted yourself there by saying that TH was not a full squad but you literally just proved that they were a full squad, its not like miniboo was benched so TH was a full squad they just decided that miniboo was better after shanghai, and sorry for not knowing every little detail on your mediocre league, like you guys have FUT and TH and those are the only note worthy teams from your region, and you may say, oh but FNC this and FNC that, FNC has hardly any success when it comes to masters and champions. They only ever have success in the regular season in a sense they're just like KRU.
if you're so stupid and ignorant then stop talking beause you bring nothing to the conversation except killing my braincells. You literally don't know why TH didn't have miniboo during shanghai nor do you know why Leo was still playing even though he was ill. Also mediocre league...? Your whole continent was crying about how Fnatic was so unfair last year while not being noteworthy in any other game.
sentinelmain377 [#70]if you dont agree with the following, I can give a lot of arguments.
top 12 teams of 2023 overall year performance:
- FNATIC
- EG
- PRX
- LOUD
- DRX
- NRG
- EDG
- NAVI
- FUT
- TL
- GIANTS
- T1
top 20 players of 2023 overall year performance:
- FNATIC Leo
- FNATIC Alfajer
- EG Demon1
- FNATIC Chronicle
- LOUD Aspas
- FNATIC Derke
- EG Jawgemo
- LOUD Less
- PRX d4v4i
- TL Sayf
- EG Ethan
- PRX Something
- NAVI cNed
- EDG Zmjkk
- NRG s0m
- NAVI Shao
- DRX MaKo
- PRX F0rsaken
- FUT MrFaliN
- GIA Cloud
note: keep in mind Leo and Alfajer's consistency and stats were on Initiator and Sentinel. While Demon1's were on duelist (his stats would be higher because of this). Also Demon1 didnt exist in LOCK//IN, so that takes a toll on his ranking.
but they won champs tho
seya [#72]but they won champs tho
Acend won champs. yet nAts and Chronicle take #1 and #2 player of 2021.
LOUD won champs. yet Yay #1 player of 2022.
stfu
Gutwi [#71]if you're so stupid and ignorant then stop talking beause you bring nothing to the conversation except killing my braincells. You literally don't know why TH didn't have miniboo during shanghai nor do you know why Leo was still playing even though he was ill. Also mediocre league...? Your whole continent was crying about how Fnatic was so unfair last year while not being noteworthy in any other game.
You're team was supposed to be the best last year and they were literally gapped by our continent, look at what happened to FNC against loud, EG won Champions, you're region consistently only has 1-2 teams also I haven't mentioned anything about where your from like you have me but it kind of annoys me when your insulting Americans when you're from Gibraltar. You're just mad because you're team was actually the team that was overrated last year, you're team may have looked good stats wise, but when it came to winning anything other than a single masters event they amounted to absolutely nothing. This year guess what, FNC amounts to absolutely nothing again. And next year it will probably be the same, and the year after that, FNC always throws when it really matters and can't even win when they are easily the strongest team with the best players.
sentinelmain377 [#74]Acend won champs. yet nAts and Chronicle take #1 and #2 player of 2021.
LOUD won champs. yet Yay #1 player of 2022.stfu
hmmmm ok but they won champs
sentinelmain377 [#74]Acend won champs. yet nAts and Chronicle take #1 and #2 player of 2021.
LOUD won champs. yet Yay #1 player of 2022.stfu
FNC has all these top ranked players and can't win champs really says something doesn't it
sentinelmain377 [#74]Acend won champs. yet nAts and Chronicle take #1 and #2 player of 2021.
LOUD won champs. yet Yay #1 player of 2022.stfu
less clears
GodAwfulGod [#75]You're team was supposed to be the best last year and they were literally gapped by our continent, look at what happened to FNC against loud, EG won Champions, you're region consistently only has 1-2 teams also I haven't mentioned anything about where your from like you have me but it kind of annoys me when your insulting Americans when you're from Gibraltar. You're just mad because you're team was actually the team that was overrated last year, you're team may have looked good stats wise, but when it came to winning anything other than a single masters event they amounted to absolutely nothing. This year guess what, FNC amounts to absolutely nothing again. And next year it will probably be the same, and the year after that, FNC always throws when it really matters and can't even win when they are easily the strongest team with the best players.
Gapped by your continent by winning 2/3 international events last year? Sure babe, I smell the oil filling up your brain because your braincells are nowhere to be found
GodAwfulGod [#75]You're team was supposed to be the best last year and they were literally gapped by our continent, look at what happened to FNC against loud, EG won Champions, you're region consistently only has 1-2 teams also I haven't mentioned anything about where your from like you have me but it kind of annoys me when your insulting Americans when you're from Gibraltar. You're just mad because you're team was actually the team that was overrated last year, you're team may have looked good stats wise, but when it came to winning anything other than a single masters event they amounted to absolutely nothing. This year guess what, FNC amounts to absolutely nothing again. And next year it will probably be the same, and the year after that, FNC always throws when it really matters and can't even win when they are easily the strongest team with the best players.
Your*
GodAwfulGod [#77]FNC has all these top ranked players and can't win champs really says something doesn't it
When has your team ever won champs
K4ziuHa [#82]When has your team ever won champs
I never said mine have, but when has sen had 4 of there players in the top 10 of overall performance for a single year? Never.
Ultia [#15]2023 EG is peak Valorant. No other team has yet exhibited the same level of coordination, explosiveness, flexibility, and clutch factor — although GenG is likely the closest. Demon1’s performance from Champs is also unmatched and his stats prove that; no other player has been as dominant outside of 2021 Tenz when the scene was in its infancy.
https://youtu.be/_rSJ57Ysi0Q?si=e85gKKC0YJT6T75A
Hey its the igl from your best team oat saying prime Fnatic 2023 was better than them! Yall are actually a bunch of pigs 😂😂😂😭😭