debunking aspas goat

Only in VALORANT is the "goat" someone who:

1. Has never even been close to winning a single international mvp
   • in all the 7 games LOUD played in champs 2022 aspas NEVER in any of those games had the highest rating or +/- (it was always either pANcada, Less, or Sacy)
2. Won his first and last international trophy back in 2022 in which he was the WORST player on the team (he got carried, HARD)
   • goes back to point #1 (did not put Saadhak as worst since his igl skills was one of if not the biggest part of their success)
3. Since leaving LOUD his biggest and most memorable accomplishment internationally is losing to FUT 1-13 in which he had zero first bloods all game
   • LOUD biggest and most memorable accomplishment internationally since freeing themselves from aspas is getting top 4 at madrid
4. Has never been the best player of any year since the game came out
   • 2021: SEN TenZ
   • 2022: OPTIC yay
   • 2023: EG Demon1
5. Perma baits his own teammates and is praised how everyone else on the team is "holding him back" while he is the only one shooting back
   • https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1c3syqs/every_kill_that_aspas_made_was_backed_up_and/

aspas is goated

ok and

Never seen a bigger bait then this 0/8

I feel like he is overrated a little tbh, being a solid good player consistently doesn't make him the GREATEST of all time

0/8 nt

bait used to believable

all your posts are about aspas thats some dedicated hate, i respect

Ok but has any of the players u mentioned got 47 kills on one map against one of the best teams? https://www.vlr.gg/314629/sentinels-vs-leviat-n-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-1-w2/?game=163369&tab=overview

bro one bad game and you type an essay elaborate pls

omegaishere [#9]

Ok but has any of the players u mentioned got 47 kills on one map against one of the best teams? https://www.vlr.gg/314629/sentinels-vs-leviat-n-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-1-w2/?game=163369&tab=overview

Perma baits his own teammates and is praised how everyone else on the team is "holding him back" while he is the only one shooting back
https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1c3syqs/every_kill_that_aspas_made_was_backed_up_and/

least retarded prx fan

Bro has TenZ like the best player of 2021 💀

siphonval [#5]

I feel like he is overrated a little tbh, being a solid good player consistently doesn't make him the GREATEST of all time

finally someone with a brain

All of your points were actually pretty good but the tone ruined your whole argument, now people just gonna think ur hating or it’s rage bait

what are these downvotes and upvotes 😭😭😭 bro got all his alts online just to hate

Heyheyehyehyehyrhyr [#13]

Bro has TenZ like the best player of 2021 💀

It’s nAts chronicle then tenz

hellfire [#16]

what are these downvotes and upvotes 😭😭😭 bro got all his alts online just to hate

this guy hates aspas so much he has 5 alts to downvote people

hellfire [#16]

what are these downvotes and upvotes 😭😭😭 bro got all his alts online just to hate

bro switching alts like his life depends on it

Keep the down votes coming loud fans are NPC's

omegaishere [#20]

Keep the down votes coming loud fans are NPC's

it's him using all his alts to get a feeling of acceptance, I literally saw how "5 people" were downvoting all the disagreeing comments at the same time 💀💀

Ur first point and third point are wrong, Aspas won the Americas International League MVP, and his best and most memorable accomplishment, is dropping 47 kills and breaking the international kill record in T1 LAN, against Sentinels, the team that won the previous Masters.

hellfire [#8]

all your posts are about aspas thats some dedicated hate, i respect

aspas fucked his mom everyone knows it, he has some weird relationship with his daddy

If Demon1 is the best player in 2023, then nAts has to be the best in 2021?

still my goat

yukky [#2]

aspas is goated

https://www.vlr.gg/368407/ass-exitfrags-statsplayer-piss

i was right all along, these ass-exitfrags-statsplayer-piss fans gotta accept the truth

EntryKJ [#24]

If Demon1 is the best player in 2023, then nAts has to be the best in 2021?

nAts or Chronicle, tenz just had a insane performance in Reykjavik and after that he didn't achieve anything in the International stage.

bbebox [#22]

Ur first point and third point are wrong, Aspas won the Americas International League MVP, and his best and most memorable accomplishment, is dropping 47 kills and breaking the international kill record in T1 LAN, against Sentinels, the team that won the previous Masters.

wrong, that was regional, if that is your argument then oxy has 5 americas mvps and which is even more than aspas

also I specifically said most INTERNATIONAL memorable accomplishment, NOT regular season

Since leaving LOUD his biggest and most memorable accomplishment internationally is losing to FUT 1-13 in which he had zero first bloods all game
LOUD biggest and most memorable accomplishment internationally since freeing themselves from aspas is getting top 4 at madrid

im not wrong, you just cant read

turkey [#15]

All of your points were actually pretty good but the tone ruined your whole argument, now people just gonna think ur hating or it’s rage bait

any post I make people think I'm "rage baiting" so its nothing new, let them live in a life of lie

they can say im "rage baiting" but can never prove anything I say wrong, its comical

BulkyLettuce [#28]

wrong, that was regional, if that is your argument then oxy has 5 americas mvps and which is even more than aspas

also I specifically said most INTERNATIONAL memorable accomplishment, NOT regular season

Since leaving LOUD his biggest and most memorable accomplishment internationally is losing to FUT 1-13 in which he had zero first bloods all game
LOUD biggest and most memorable accomplishment internationally since freeing themselves from aspas is getting top 4 at madrid

im not wrong, you just cant read

my guy.... Im not talking about an individual match. Im talking about him being the OVERALL mvp of the Americas INTERNATIONAL League, he even received a trophy at champs 2023 for it if you were watching the stream for the Grand Finals. Also, international simply means between multiple nations, so maybe specify Masters+Champs or International Tournaments. Also, breaking the international kill record. IS an international accomplishment. so maybe check your literacy???

idc if its bait, its fucking true

bbebox [#30]

my guy.... Im not talking about an individual match. Im talking about him being the OVERALL mvp of the Americas INTERNATIONAL League, he even received a trophy at champs 2023 for it if you were watching the stream for the Grand Finals. Also, international simply means between multiple nations, so maybe specify Masters+Champs or International Tournaments. Also, breaking the international kill record. IS an international accomplishment. so maybe check your literacy???

i thought I didnt have to specify that, by that logic sen has 3 international trophies bc of the afreeca tourney, but no one says that. I meant VCT international is that better now? keep nitpicking irrelevant accomplishments

Sk00d [#31]

idc if its bait, its fucking true

its somehow "rage bait" but I have yet to see anyone prove any of my points wrong 🤣

BulkyLettuce [#32]

i thought I didnt have to specify that, by that logic sen has 3 international trophies bc of the afreeca tourney, but no one says that. I meant VCT international is that better now? keep nitpicking irrelevant accomplishments

Yes, but if thats what you meant, then you are making your points extremely specific, pointing out Aspas' only "flaws" ofc you can't consider him the goat if you only see his flaws. Same with any other player. Tenz was irrelevant for 2 years, Demon1 is currently benched and performed pretty badly during 2024, the PRX players never won a masters or champs, and Yay has been getting terrible results ever since leaving t1 NA.

BulkyLettuce [#33]

its somehow "rage bait" but I have yet to see anyone prove any of my points wrong 🤣

Well since leaving loud his biggest accomplishment is not losing 1-13 to fut, its dropping 47 kills on sentinels on a single map

GodAwfulGod [#35]

Well since leaving loud his biggest accomplishment is not losing 1-13 to fut, its dropping 47 kills on sentinels on a single map

most memorable accomplishment internationally

BulkyLettuce [#36]

most memorable accomplishment internationally

idk how to get this through your head. But Aspas broke the International kill record in a single map in t1 LAN. This means. He got the most kills in a map in all the regional leagues, masters, and champs. It is an international accomplishment

BulkyLettuce [#33]

its somehow "rage bait" but I have yet to see anyone prove any of my points wrong 🤣

Mate you lost all credit when you started using alts to downvote people that contradict your silly opinions.

silence data driven decision maker a vibes guy is speaking

BulkyLettuce [#36]

most memorable accomplishment internationally

Just because it wasn't at an internationally event it was still a kill record internationally, and against sentinels which are not an easy team to drop 47 kills against.

2023 best player was NOT demon1 haha. It’s tie between LEO AND ALFAJER

AlexSMTx [#21]

it's him using all his alts to get a feeling of acceptance, I literally saw how "5 people" were downvoting all the disagreeing comments at the same time 💀💀

when people agree with you = making alts

keep telling yourself that

funny how no one is disproving any points I said and instead is focusing on irrelevant up frags, you focusing on these irrelevant things means you agree with me

omegaishere [#38]

Mate you lost all credit when you started using alts to downvote people that contradict your silly opinions.

proof? when did I do this?

funny how no one is disproving any points I said and instead is focusing on irrelevant up frags, you focusing on these irrelevant things means you agree with me

siphonval [#5]

I feel like he is overrated a little tbh, being a solid good player consistently doesn't make him the GREATEST of all time

yeah sure, goats are all one season wonders like y0y

oiiink [#26]

https://www.vlr.gg/368407/ass-exitfrags-statsplayer-piss

i was right all along, these ass-exitfrags-statsplayer-piss fans gotta accept the truth

https://www.vlr.gg/314629/sentinels-vs-leviat-n-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-1-w2/?game=163369&tab=overview

milflover92 [#45]

https://www.vlr.gg/314629/sentinels-vs-leviat-n-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-1-w2/?game=163369&tab=overview

https://www.vlr.gg/348461/fut-esports-vs-leviat-n-champions-tour-2024-masters-shanghai-r3/?game=170777&tab=overview

1-13

BulkyLettuce [#46]

https://www.vlr.gg/348461/fut-esports-vs-leviat-n-champions-tour-2024-masters-shanghai-r3/?game=170777&tab=overview

1-13

https://www.vlr.gg/130619/paper-rex-vs-leviat-n-valorant-champions-2022-group-stage-winners-a k

milflover92 [#47]

https://www.vlr.gg/130619/paper-rex-vs-leviat-n-valorant-champions-2022-group-stage-winners-a k

aspas wasnt even on the team nice bait

BulkyLettuce [#48]

aspas wasnt even on the team nice bait

LEV are only better with aspas but keep coping ig

milflover92 [#49]

LEV are only better with aspas but keep coping ig

this post is about aspas not lev, the match you presented didnt even have aspas in it

BulkyLettuce [#50]

this post is about aspas not lev, the match you presented didnt even have aspas in it

I know, and i'm saying LEV with aspas would do it again if they get the chance.

International MVP is overrated. Real GOATs dont need that

turkey [#17]

It’s nAts chronicle then tenz

Eh I mean it's tough for 2021 cuz in the three tournaments they were 3 different like reykyavik was tenz Berlin nats and champs was chronicle so it goes either way a tie for me

milflover92 [#51]

I know, and i'm saying LEV with aspas would do it again if they get the chance.

no they wouldnt, it isnt 2022 anymore

i mean youre right but you posting this makes you like aspas has done something horible to you and you hate him for it

BulkyLettuce [#29]

any post I make people think I'm "rage baiting" so its nothing new, let them live in a life of lie

they can say im "rage baiting" but can never prove anything I say wrong, its comical

My point is that you don't need to win player of the year to be the goat
Also saying he had no impact in 2022 champs is straight up bs
If you watched champs which it looks like you didn't then you'd know how important asspas was to that iteration of loud
Also he was consistently top frag on loud the entirety of last season

tomato211222 [#56]

My point is that you don't need to win player of the year to be the goat
Also saying he had no impact in 2022 champs is straight up bs
If you watched champs which it looks like you didn't then you'd know how important asspas was to that iteration of loud
Also he was consistently top frag on loud the entirety of last season

I didn't say aspas had no impact in champs 2022, all I said was he was definitely the worst player of the team in champs 2022

in all the 7 games LOUD played in champs 2022 aspas NEVER in any of those games had the highest rating or +/- (it was always either pANcada, Less, or Sacy)

BulkyLettuce [#54]

no they wouldnt, it isnt 2022 anymore

well PRX haven't made any progress since 2022 in terms of placement :3 and also we won't really know for sure unless they actually play each other, so i'm just gonna agree to disagree with u on this one

bbebox [#34]

Yes, but if thats what you meant, then you are making your points extremely specific, pointing out Aspas' only "flaws" ofc you can't consider him the goat if you only see his flaws. Same with any other player. Tenz was irrelevant for 2 years, Demon1 is currently benched and performed pretty badly during 2024, the PRX players never won a masters or champs, and Yay has been getting terrible results ever since leaving t1 NA.

you are missing the point, this is about aspas not tenz, yay or demon1. Keep bringing up irrelevant topics

tomato211222 [#53]

Eh I mean it's tough for 2021 cuz in the three tournaments they were 3 different like reykyavik was tenz Berlin nats and champs was chronicle so it goes either way a tie for me

nAts and chronicle were amazing at two events tho

wetto [#44]

yeah sure, goats are all one season wonders like y0y

bro nobody even brought up yay he ain't the goat either, i legitimately think valorant is too young to have a definitive goat especially when metas keep changing, only valid title imo is player of the year which has been accurate

turkey [#60]

nAts and chronicle were amazing at two events tho

What i meant was in berlin nats was the better of the two meanwhile in champs chronicle was better
The main reason i say its close is because they all have 1 trophy if gambit won champs then mostly id put chronicle or nats on the top
Also i got down voted for what?

BulkyLettuce [#57]

I didn't say aspas had no impact in champs 2022, all I said was he was definitely the worst player of the team in champs 2022

in all the 7 games LOUD played in champs 2022 aspas NEVER in any of those games had the highest rating or +/- (it was always either pANcada, Less, or Sacy)

That's exactly where i disagree with you tho,
Firstly the way vlr rating works is something which heavily is disadvantages duelist
Also the loud roaster was so talented that even though aspas was crazy he got outshined
2023
He was really good in 2023 also
He won MVP for Stage 1
and did overall well probably was one of the reason loud didn't bomb of champions
On that note
how about we talk about forsaken not being the goat either

tomato211222 [#63]

That's exactly where i disagree with you tho,
Firstly the way vlr rating works is something which heavily is disadvantages duelist
Also the loud roaster was so talented that even though aspas was crazy he got outshined
2023
He was really good in 2023 also
He won MVP for Stage 1
and did overall well probably was one of the reason loud didn't bomb of champions
On that note
how about we talk about forsaken not being the goat either

there's nothing to disagree about, you are battling with feelings I am batting with data and factual things that happened.

in all the 7 games LOUD played in champs 2022 aspas NEVER in any of those games had the highest rating or +/- (it was always either pANcada, Less, or Sacy)

^ this is a factual statement you can see for yourself there is nothing to "disagree" about

Also this post as nothing to do with f0rsaken, see how you are batting feelings with facts? you are quite literally proving my point

Supported by teammate = Baits?

Where's Y0Y and d1 now

BulkyLettuce [#64]

there's nothing to disagree about, you are battling with feelings I am batting with data and factual things that happened.

in all the 7 games LOUD played in champs 2022 aspas NEVER in any of those games had the highest rating or +/- (it was always either pANcada, Less, or Sacy)

^ this is a factual statement you can see for yourself there is nothing to "disagree" about

Also this post as nothing to do with f0rsaken, see how you are batting feelings with facts? you are quite literally proving my point

I literally never said that statement was false i literally addresed it in my post
I am not battling with feeling i am a sen fan coudnt care less bout aspas but remeber stats dont say everything and also please watch and learn the game
Mind you would you drop your tracker?

worst bait ever

2023: Alfajer and Leo > demon1 but nt

tomato211222 [#62]

What i meant was in berlin nats was the better of the two meanwhile in champs chronicle was better
The main reason i say its close is because they all have 1 trophy if gambit won champs then mostly id put chronicle or nats on the top
Also i got down voted for what?

People been caring way too much about trophies

2021: Chronicle/Nats
2022: Aspas/Pancada
2023: Alfa/Leo

turkey [#70]

People been caring way too much about trophies

I mean it's just a opinion you can disagreee with it

Aspas is goated. But he isn't the GOAT. If he can be called the greatest player of valorant ever, so can cned.

Aspas is more of a Lebron than MJ

bump bc some people are still lost

...you done crying about aspas yet???

the reddit post is pretty interesting. despite most calling lev aspas and friends, its more of a system where they work to enable aspas just like optic did with yay.

I unironically believe cned might be the goat. he has been consistent since 2021.

W all the way til the best player of every year.
2021: GMB nAts
2022: OPTIC Yay
2023: FNATIC Leo

sentinelmain377 [#78]

W all the way til the best player of every year.
2021: GMB nAts
2022: OPTIC Yay
2023: FNATIC Leo

hell no

siphonval [#61]

bro nobody even brought up yay he ain't the goat either, i legitimately think valorant is too young to have a definitive goat especially when metas keep changing, only valid title imo is player of the year which has been accurate

exactly

thank u for linking ur shit thread so i can downvote it without reading

2023 was Jinggg, watch the Platoon video based on statistics, and Demon1 wasn't better than Aspas

you know a great player can actually not win that much, even if they are a great player? even in irl sports, there are examples of some of the best players in the world just not winning anything.

Aspas is the most consistent player in valorant history, he's the goat as Device is the goat of CS

BoF7ooM [#73]

Aspas is goated. But he isn't the GOAT. If he can be called the greatest player of valorant ever, so can cned.

has to be bait😭

bump <3

bump ^^

The s1mple of valorant

bump because people somehow still have this really dumb misconception apsas "carried" loud to win champions in 2022. He was the worst player on LOUD 2022 champions.

in all the 7 games LOUD played in champs 2022 aspas NEVER in any of those games had the highest rating or +/- (it was always either pANcada, Less, or Sacy)

Waking_W [#88]

The s1mple of valorant

said no one ever

new point to add 8/7

• lost to CN 3rd team and got diffed hard by their duelist once again pissing his pants on the international stage

BulkyLettuce [#91]

new point to add 8/7

• lost to CN 3rd team and got diffed hard by their duelist once again pissing his pants on the international stage

duelist/sentinel, bro is not even a full time duelist

Liwus [#92]

duelist/sentinel, bro is not even a full time duelist

so embarrassing to get diffed by someone who mains a whole different role 🤣

When aspas entry’s and helps the team “he’s so bad he only has a 1.1 rating and is therefore bad because he didn’t MVP” and when he entry’s just as well and has highest FBPR at .24 “aspas baiter who can’t entry and never fights first 🤡”