Duelist
- Texture
- Jawgemo
- Governor(King of 8.11)
- Woot
- Aspas
Smoker
- Mako
- Karon
- Boo
- Berlin
- Izu
Initiator
- Lakia
- Heat
- Davai
- Leo
- Invy
Sentinel
- Benjy
- Less
- Meteor
- Vookashu
- Tex
Flex
- Munchkin
- Narrate
- Chronicle
- Surf(Would be higher if he has brain)
- Forsaken
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ButterflyEffect23 [#5]Governor at top-3? Put him at 30
Im from the future, He is king of 8.11 my neon goat 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐
PP12123213123 [#6]Im from the future, He is king of 8.11 my neon goat 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐
he's buns I'm afraid
even Neon buff won't save him, he's just not good
Denjisideals [#10]What is Governor doing that high though
He play neon well, Forget how shit he is in 8.10
PP12123213123 [#13]He play neon well, Forget how shit he is in 8.10
Brother I don't think Neon being good will automatically take him to Top 3 duelist in the world 😭🙏🏼
sentekken [#11]mako 1 LMAO
nah im backing my goat mako
who would be above mako (besides karon if you're only going by recency bias)
you probably haven't watched vct for a while, dude is the only consistent player on smokes for a few years (VS to DRX '24)
even with his recently IGL, he puts up mad numbers and was rated #1 smokes in VCTP, and the only smokes in top 10 rating by a long shot.
Dreoxx [#16]nah im backing my goat mako
who would be above mako (besides karon if you're only going by recency bias)
you probably haven't watched vct for a while, dude is the only consistent player on smokes for a few years (VS to DRX '24)
even with his recently IGL, he puts up mad numbers and was rated #1 smokes in VCTP, and the only smokes in top 10 rating by a long shot.
pancada in his prime form would still be in debate with mako at the time (and his form only lasted for like 3 tournaments max)
boo is not too excellent IMO, he's also arguably the worst on TH and his rating isn't too high either
mindfreak is currently on fraudwatch for a while now, even when he peaked people considered him to be inferior to mako
marved WAS good, but I genuinely don't know what happened, he just magically dropped in form gradually since OPTC
s0m is a good contender, but not enough information on his consistency (low sample size), and most people are drunk in recency bias. compared to the dynasty over smokes mako has, s0m still needs a solid 2 years of this performance to be comparable
Dreoxx [#18]pancada in his prime form would still be in debate with mako at the time (and his form only lasted for like 3 tournaments max)
boo is not too excellent IMO, he's also arguably the worst on TH and his rating isn't too high either
mindfreak is currently on fraudwatch for a while now, even when he peaked people considered him to be inferior to mako
marved WAS good, but I genuinely don't know what happened, he just magically dropped in form gradually since OPTCs0m is a good contender, but not enough information on his consistency (low sample size), and most people are drunk in recency bias. compared to the dynasty over smokes mako has, s0m still needs a solid 2 years of this performance to be comparable
mako is easily #1, i just don't see how #2-#5 are in any way correct
nobody___100 [#20]mako is easily #1, i just don't see how #2-#5 are in any way correct
fr bro this guy is waffling his APAC bias, don't see izu, berlin, and boo in top 5
YusaEmilia [#23]Miniboo played Neon a lot more than Governor
Governor : 1028 games
Miniboo : 558 games
Dreoxx [#21]fr bro this guy is waffling his APAC bias, don't see izu, berlin, and boo in top 5
berlin and boo are not APAC
Dreoxx [#18]pancada in his prime form would still be in debate with mako at the time (and his form only lasted for like 3 tournaments max)
boo is not too excellent IMO, he's also arguably the worst on TH and his rating isn't too high either
mindfreak is currently on fraudwatch for a while now, even when he peaked people considered him to be inferior to mako
marved WAS good, but I genuinely don't know what happened, he just magically dropped in form gradually since OPTCs0m is a good contender, but not enough information on his consistency (low sample size), and most people are drunk in recency bias. compared to the dynasty over smokes mako has, s0m still needs a solid 2 years of this performance to be comparable
excellently worded out sir
PP12123213123 [#6]Im from the future, He is king of 8.11 my neon goat 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐
Just give this "Its my opinion".i know your talon fans but can you see swerl,kangkang,woot,cryo,meiy play duelist.
I think this better duelist
arin2016 [#36]Mako: 0 trophies, prime form got diffed by ice-cream man
Karon: 1 trophy, multiple runners up
Karon is very good but mako's been consistent for all of last year and this year too. His stats might be a bit nerfed now since he is igling
CactusPlant [#38]Karon is very good but mako's been consistent for all of last year and this year too. His stats might be a bit nerfed now since he is igling
Consistent in coming 3rd-4th? Gen.G has either won or placed 2nd at literally every event after they debuted. Now THAT is consistency.
PP12123213123 [#26]berlin and boo are not APAC
generally talking about your overall selection my dude
arin2016 [#40]Consistent in coming 3rd-4th? Gen.G has either won or placed 2nd at literally every event after they debuted. Now THAT is consistency.
Don't confuse team placing with player stats. Mako's ranking (for controllers) so far has been:
1st masters reykjavik 2022
1st masters copenhagen
2nd champions 2022 (behind pancada)
1st lock//in
1st vct pacific 2023
2nd masters tokyo (behind s0m unless you count demon1 and jawgemo as smokes in which he's 4th)
2nd champions 2023 (same thing as above)
1st vct pacific kickoff
1st vct pacific stage 1
CactusPlant [#42]Don't confuse team placing with player stats. Mako's ranking (for controllers) so far has been:
1st masters reykjavik 2022
1st masters copenhagen
2nd champions 2022 (behind pancada)
1st lock//in
1st vct pacific 2023
2nd masters tokyo (behind s0m unless you count demon1 and jawgemo as smokes in which he's 4th)
2nd champions 2023 (same thing as above)
1st vct pacific kickoff
1st vct pacific stage 1
All that means nothing if his team can't win. Karon holding that one site down only with a sheriff>>>more important than all of those. Nobody cares about all that. In their last match up Karon diffed the shit out of Mako. And then every time he played he made sure to diff the opponent smokes.
duelist
- Aspas
- Texture
- Keznit bc consistency
- Woot isnt a duelist but for the sake of the list (over keznit if y'all want to feel happy)
- Life, y'all dont listen
Ini
- Riens, insane utility, hits shots what else do u need
- Heat
- Lakia? I mean his utility is on point, clutch potential, truly the lakia of Valorant
- Leo, carrying fraudnatic while sick is insane work
- Cauanzin ex top 1 but kinda looked worse coming after kickoff, despite that he peaked rly high and that isn't talked enough
Controller
- Karon idk he's just that good
- Mako come on he's crazy and CONSISTENT WITH IT??
- kiNgg the most consistent fragging igl out there now full smokes
- Tuyz technically he's not gonna be the duelist no more but still until that happens I'd consider him worth to put here
- idk
Senti
- Less I WILL NOT DEBATE THIS
- GengFishy 🐻❄️ tex argument but better utility and participations
- Meteor come on GenG shouldn't exists bruh they're too good
- Alfa idk why he was once considered the best senti or even the best player bruh, he's crazy good, but over Less or Aspas is insanity, also meteor clears as of recently
- Tex his ability to hold down a site by himself and take duels is beyond ridiculous
flex 1. Forsaken and 2. Chronicle idk bout the rest
PP12123213123 [#13]He play neon well, Forget how shit he is in 8.10
by that logic miniboo/forsaken/vic should be in top 5 too
Riprif [#39]Ass tier list.talon fans detected.i know you talon fans and please dont make tier list again before you watch all any region.
Im not talon fans, I just start hyping them when 8.11 announce. Their best player not in this list
hellfire [#47]duelist
- Aspas
- Texture
- Keznit bc consistency
- Woot isnt a duelist but for the sake of the list (over keznit if y'all want to feel happy)
- Life, y'all dont listen
Ini
- Riens, insane utility, hits shots what else do u need
- Heat
- Lakia? I mean his utility is on point, clutch potential, truly the lakia of Valorant
- Leo, carrying fraudnatic while sick is insane work
- Cauanzin ex top 1 but kinda looked worse coming after kickoff, despite that he peaked rly high and that isn't talked enough
Controller
- Karon idk he's just that good
- Mako come on he's crazy and CONSISTENT WITH IT??
- kiNgg the most consistent fragging igl out there now full smokes
- Tuyz technically he's not gonna be the duelist no more but still until that happens I'd consider him worth to put here
- idk
Senti
- Less I WILL NOT DEBATE THIS
- GengFishy 🐻❄️ tex argument but better utility and participations
- Meteor come on GenG shouldn't exists bruh they're too good
- Alfa idk why he was once considered the best senti or even the best player bruh, he's crazy good, but over Less or Aspas is insanity, also meteor clears as of recently
- Tex his ability to hold down a site by himself and take duels is beyond ridiculous
flex 1. Forsaken and 2. Chronicle idk bout the rest
Great list, its better than most of people in vlr. I had Keznit on my list even before considering Woot as a duelist. Reins and Kingg are my top 6. Our lists are very close👍👍 👍
CactusPlant [#42]Don't confuse team placing with player stats. Mako's ranking (for controllers) so far has been:
1st masters reykjavik 2022
1st masters copenhagen
2nd champions 2022 (behind pancada)
1st lock//in
1st vct pacific 2023
2nd masters tokyo (behind s0m unless you count demon1 and jawgemo as smokes in which he's 4th)
2nd champions 2023 (same thing as above)
1st vct pacific kickoff
1st vct pacific stage 1
nobody cares about domestic ratings bro, karon has a trophy and has attended 2 btb gfs and won 1 which is what matters
consistency means jack if u arent going beyond that lol
wtf suddenly according to everyone old DRX is a bad team and mako needs to be saved and its a team diff
PP12123213123 [#6]Im from the future, He is king of 8.11 my neon goat 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐
miniboo neon > governor neon
zhongZHI [#3]vookashu has bad fundamentals. not a team player bro wiht solo buy and fuck up his teams economy.
Dude what obviously its the plan from coach and stuff that he plays like that, do you think his teammates wont tell him to not buy or smth?
Dreoxx [#16]nah im backing my goat mako
who would be above mako (besides karon if you're only going by recency bias)
you probably haven't watched vct for a while, dude is the only consistent player on smokes for a few years (VS to DRX '24)
even with his recently IGL, he puts up mad numbers and was rated #1 smokes in VCTP, and the only smokes in top 10 rating by a long shot.
I just think karon 1
sentekken [#58]I just think karon 1
if we are talking all time I think its obviously Mako. But I think you HAVE to use recency bias with Karon bc of how recent Shanghai was lol.
welikefortniteandvalorant [#56]Dude what obviously its the plan from coach and stuff that he plays like that, do you think his teammates wont tell him to not buy or smth?
they wont cause he doesn't speak chinese lol
sentekken [#60]if we are talking all time I think its obviously Mako. But I think you HAVE to use recency bias with Karon bc of how recent Shanghai was lol.
if the context is up in the air, by saying, "Mako LMAO" implies that mako is well below karon.
right now karon is definitely in his prime form for sure
heavensentsaint [#53]nobody cares about domestic ratings bro, karon has a trophy and has attended 2 btb gfs and won 1 which is what matters
consistency means jack if u arent going beyond that lol
wtf suddenly according to everyone old DRX is a bad team and mako needs to be saved and its a team diff
more than half the list he showed aren’t domestic. If this is your argument, that also means you think angel or boaster or zellsis is better than MaKo because they won a trophy, don’t confuse team success with individual success. If Karon was the best player on his team, his team would be lower to mid table in apac region alone. He’s the 3rd best player on his own team, insane how you can make such a dumb argument and defend it with an even dumber claims
arin2016 [#44]All that means nothing if his team can't win. Karon holding that one site down only with a sheriff>>>more important than all of those. Nobody cares about all that. In their last match up Karon diffed the shit out of Mako. And then every time he played he made sure to diff the opponent smokes.
let’s put it this way. In the upper final and the grand final of madrid. Karon total combined acs was 168. Yes ypu can argue gen g had a dominant win in both series even though grand finals went to 5 maps. MaKo never had a team good enough to do that and actually win so please stop nitpicking and actually look at the broad scale. Karon has never had stats anywhere near as good as MaKo’s but his team. Winning a masters don’t mean you have the best players in every role. A players skill is determined by individual performance, not team performance. so stop weighing team success into this debate when he isn’t even the best player on gen g
Dreoxx [#63]if the context is up in the air, by saying, "Mako LMAO" implies that mako is well below karon.
right now karon is definitely in his prime form for sure
ya idk why i said that
UvuvwevwevweOnyetenyevwe [#65]This is a bait
this post? obviously like this man is making up players lol
anyth1ng [#69]this post? obviously like this man is making up players lol
There are 1-2 reasonable players on each list. the rest is random
merciless-pity8989-89 [#67]let’s put it this way. In the upper final and the grand final of madrid. Karon total combined acs was 168. Yes ypu can argue gen g had a dominant win in both series even though grand finals went to 5 maps. MaKo never had a team good enough to do that and actually win so please stop nitpicking and actually look at the broad scale. Karon has never had stats anywhere near as good as MaKo’s but his team. Winning a masters don’t mean you have the best players in every role. A players skill is determined by individual performance, not team performance. so stop weighing team success into this debate when he isn’t even the best player on gen g
Yeah nobody cares. Bro's again bringing up numbers lmao. Last time they faced clearly Karon showed who's the better one. Mako's consistency against shitter teams means nothing. Karon is playing in the highest stage and winning.
Nobody gives a shit about boring ass stats. He has never held a trophy. Clearly he is not making enough impact if he still hasn't won a trophy. Meanwhile my goat Karon went +11 in the Shanghai grand final. Mako can never do that in a big stage, let alone reach there.
merciless-pity8989-89 [#66]more than half the list he showed aren’t domestic. If this is your argument, that also means you think angel or boaster or zellsis is better than MaKo because they won a trophy, don’t confuse team success with individual success. If Karon was the best player on his team, his team would be lower to mid table in apac region alone. He’s the 3rd best player on his own team, insane how you can make such a dumb argument and defend it with an even dumber claims
drx and prx fans can keep coping about consistency while other teams keep running away w more trophies and watch their team get rebuilt every year 😹
u guys r beyond delusional, there’s a reason why most orgs prioritize trophies over consistently placing 5th
karon is a much better player than mako will ever be srry, if aspas can drop 47 kills and carry his team surely mako can too, mako just doesn’t have enough impact outside of vlr stat padding
demon1 carried tf out of his team last year on controller, no excuse for mako
results>>>>>vlr stats kek
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