never really looked into tier lists in the community but why im i seeing all these big names like TMV and sliggy rate G2 so poorly? did we not learn from Tokyo EG to not underrate teams bc of name tags? They're at worst placed 5th-6th but apparently LEV, a team that's 90% dependent on aspas, will do better to the majority. some major hate cope going on I swear.
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icy is a rookie and lets be honest pretty mid, last time the guard was on stage they got steam rolled. The entire lev roster has more experience than g2 which is why theyre being rated higher. if g2 make it to playoffs I will be pleasantly surprised. They CAN make it, but i think icy will drag them down.
Marty [#3]icy is a rookie and lets be honest pretty mid, last time the guard was on stage they got steam rolled. The entire lev roster has more experience than g2 which is why theyre being rated higher. if g2 make it to playoffs I will be pleasantly surprised. They CAN make it, but i think icy will drag them down.
this int experience talk is a garbage coinflip that gets completely disregarded when a team doesn't fit that narrative and then highlighted if they do. G2 have been playing better val than LEV for a long ass while now, they deserve to have higher expectations. icy is the only question mark on the team, meanwhile the rest have been playing in Tier 1 competition for years.
G2 players are internationally UNPROVEN, last international turney (Reykjavík 22) the guard core making up so much excuses for their poor performance like Trent not able to play music, LAN jitters and mCe crying post interview cause PRX "trashtalk" them. Only leaf won an international game before. Won't be surprised if they make excuses like jetlag, language barrier, or the recent "no gluten free food" from yesterdays press conference.
Warlordwibz [#7]G2 players are internationally UNPROVEN, last international turney (Reykjavík 22) the guard core making up so much excuses for their poor performance like Trent not able to play music, LAN jitters and mCe crying post interview cause PRX "trashtalk" them. Only leaf won an international game before. Won't be surprised if they make excuses like jetlag, language barrier, or the recent "no gluten free food" from yesterdays press conference.
GENG in Madrid were internationally unproven
EG in Tokyo were internationally unproven
EDG in Tokyo were internationally unproven
dead narrative, game's still young.
DeluluGavin [#8]so you want them to rate all the upcoming teams with no proper international experience to be rated in top 4 just because of EG? ahead of other proven teams?
???
cartixuzi [#9]GENG in Madrid were internationally unproven
EG in Tokyo were internationally unproven
EDG in Tokyo were internationally unprovendead narrative, game's still young.
all these big names like TMV and sliggy rate G2 so poorly
They all rate above teams poorly too BEFORE the turney.
Warlordwibz [#12]all these big names like TMV and sliggy rate G2 so poorly
They all rate above teams poorly too BEFORE the turney.
idk what this means, but using this "unproven" excuse to rate G2 lower than LEV is dumb to me is what im saying.
DeluluGavin [#8]so you want them to rate all the upcoming teams with no proper international experience to be rated in top 4 just because of EG? ahead of other proven teams?
all of g2 have international experience the only player who lacks it is icy and him putting negative numbers hasnt ever been a problem for g2
koromast [#14]all of g2 have international experience the only player who lacks it is icy and him putting negative numbers hasnt ever been a problem for g2
i know they have but compared to other teams, valyn, trent, jonahp only played 2 games, Leaf is valid, and icy with 0 experience compared to other team and their experience, it is understandable why g2 was rated lower than other teams
I dont think it has anything to do with them being unproven
at least from platchat, sliggys streams and the acend podcast (tmv) they all always just talk about the last 2 games g2 played
the lev game was super close with 9/10 pistols won
And the g2 100t game was just bad
So its just that they didnt like what they saw from them
I wouldnt rate them below t1 like some analyst are doing, thats madness, but not having them in that top 5 cluster is reasonable no?
Targu1n [#18]I dont think it has anything to do with them being unproven
at least from platchat, sliggys streams and the acend podcast (tmv) they all always just talk about the last 2 games g2 playedthe lev game was super close with 9/10 pistols won
And the g2 100t game was just bad
So its just that they didnt like what they saw from themI wouldnt rate them below t1 like some analyst are doing, thats madness, but not having them in that top 5 cluster is reasonable no?
they even mentioned they take recency bias into consideration so idk why some of g2 fans are LIVID. Just see the list any another opinion by other ppl lmao
cartixuzi [#9]GENG in Madrid were internationally unproven
EG in Tokyo were internationally unproven
EDG in Tokyo were internationally unprovendead narrative, game's still young.
what do you want them to do? conjure insight into the future that they'll be the next EG? fuck it bro DRG top 1 then
swaggerlikejagger [#20]what do you want them to do? conjure insight into the future that they'll be the next EG? fuck it bro DRG top 1 then
i want them to rate G2 where they deserve to be rated, which is at LEAST higher than LEV lol. GENG had extremely high expectations even though they were unproven internationally, I'm just showing teams that've performed regardless of that goofy narrative.
DeluluGavin [#19]they even mentioned they take recency bias into consideration so idk why some of g2 fans are LIVID. Just see the list any another opinion by other ppl lmao
they take recency bias into consideration according to u, which is even less of a reason to rate G2 lower than LEV lol.
cartixuzi [#23]they take recency bias into consideration according to u, which is even less of a reason to rate G2 lower than LEV lol.
recency bias = g2 was abysmal against 100T + the fact that LEV is more favoured should there be a rematch vs G2 anyway due to them being more 'proven'. again, its just another opinion so idk why you are so mad about it. just move on.
ps. its not according to me, they literally mentioned it in the stream that they will look at the recent games
DeluluGavin [#26]recency bias = g2 was abysmal against 100T + the fact that LEV is more favoured should there be a rematch vs G2 anyway due to them being more 'proven'. again, its just another opinion so idk why you are so mad about it. just move on.
ps. its not according to me, they literally mentioned it in the stream that they will look at the recent games
my guy, G2 literally knocked LEV out of the tourney, in what universe if we're talking purely from recency bias does G2 losing 0-3 to 100T mean that LEV is potentially better than G2. G2's last match before that final was beating LEV.
cartixuzi [#27]my guy, G2 literally knocked LEV out of the tourney, in what universe if we're talking purely from recency bias does G2 losing 0-3 to 100T mean that LEV is potentially better than G2. G2's last match before that final was beating LEV.
jeeeeez go tell that to platchat then? why are you telling me all that, its not ALL about recency bias. they will 'take into consideration'. If you think G2 should be higher, good for you. I think they are pretty good but I also agree with the list.
King_Kireeti [#25]From what I see, they are doubting G2 and LEV because of the shit show that was the VCT 2024 Americas Split 1 Lower Final. If both the teams did not make so many mistakes, people would think much better of both the teams.
tbf, they had to play 4 days straight
DeluluGavin [#28]jeeeeez go tell that to platchat then? why are you telling me all that, its not ALL about recency bias. they will 'take into consideration'. If you think G2 should be higher, good for you. I think they are pretty good but I also agree with the list.
so then dont bring up dumb shit like #19 what? wtf do you mean "why are you telling me all that" like you weren't just defending the take. ik platchat's recency biased but you're making it sound like it influenced their decision to put LEV over G2 in anyway.
cartixuzi [#31]so then dont bring up dumb shit like #19 what? wtf do you mean "why are you telling me all that" like you weren't just defending the take. ik platchat's recency biased but you're making it sound like it influenced their decision to put LEV over G2 in anyway.
i added #19 because it was an additional fact for #18. I wasn't even replying to you but you came in with all these negativity when I clearly said "just another opinion" but you kept on trying to justify your view so I told u to take it to platchat and sliggy. i couldn't care less about who u support and what u think is right. I was adding a fact to #18 and u followed me all the way down here so... I'm not defending anything, I cleary sate "just move on, its another opinion" . You don't have to try to persuade everyone to think that the list is horrible. Just go watch vct now
DeluluGavin [#33]i added #19 because it was an additional fact for #18. I wasn't even replying to you but you came in with all these negativity when I clearly said "just another opinion" but you kept on trying to justify your view so I told u to take it to platchat and sliggy. i couldn't care less about who u support and what u think is right. I was adding a fact to #18 and u followed me all the way down here so... I'm not defending anything, I cleary sate "just move on, its another opinion" . You don't have to try to persuade everyone to think that the list is horrible. Just go watch vct now
"they even mentioned they take recency bias into consideration so idk why some of g2 fans are LIVID" you said this, i said it made no sense to say that, you defended your point, i defended mine, and now you're backing out acting like i followed you here? your additional fact that makes you think G2 fans are ignoring to make themselves angry is dumb that I argued against. what are you yapping about rn
Klaw69 [#35]why does a pre-tourney tier-list matter that much to you? They have the right to make a personal tier-list just like you all do... tournament results don't always go as estimated initially.
and i have the right to make a quick vlr thread calling out the fact that g2 is being underrated, what is this comment. you think I want their heads?
cartixuzi [#34]"they even mentioned they take recency bias into consideration so idk why some of g2 fans are LIVID" you said this, i said it made no sense to say that, you defended your point, i defended mine, and now you're backing out acting like i followed you here? your additional fact that makes you think G2 fans are ignoring to make themselves angry is dumb that I argued against. what are you yapping about rn
you did follow me here cos i wasn't even talking to you in the beginning + my additional fact was followed up "just another op" which means yall should just take a look, say "oh ok I hope g2 proves them wrong" (which they probably will) and move the fck on. Idk why you are getting so riled up on a list made by platchat.
that makes you think G2 fans are ignoring to make themselves angry
idk why you thought of my words like this but if this is the only way you can take my words, poor thing try to live the world a bit more positively. my take was "damn, its not a horrible list, g2 fans just gotta move on". wasn't even siding with anyone but you came onto me with all these negativity so lmao chill out cos I'm not even going to bother replying again
DeluluGavin [#37]you did follow me here cos i wasn't even talking to you in the beginning + my additional fact was followed up "just another op" which means yall should just take a look, say "oh ok I hope g2 proves them wrong" (which they probably will) and move the fck on. Idk why you are getting so riled up on a list made by platchat.
that makes you think G2 fans are ignoring to make themselves angry
idk why you thought of my words like this but if this is the only way you can take my words, poor thing try to live the world a bit more positively. my take was "damn, its not a horrible list, g2 fans just gotta move on". wasn't even siding with anyone but you came onto me with all these negativity so lmao chill out cos I'm not even going to bother replying again
bismillah, please dont ever get into another argument if you're gonna cry about it happening like this. you're acting as if im pissed tf off screaming at my monitor, nobody hates you bro. you're getting worked up like this over nothing.
cartixuzi [#36]and i have the right to make a quick vlr thread calling out the fact that g2 is being underrated, what is this comment. you think I want their heads?
you're being aggressive for no reason
cartixuzi [#38]bismillah, please dont ever get into another argument if you're gonna cry about it happening like this. you're acting as if im pissed tf off screaming at my monitor, nobody hates you bro. you're getting worked up like this over nothing.
mate it ain't that deep. its vlr, none of these shit is ever important irl anyway just move on
DeluluGavin [#41]mate it ain't that deep. its vlr, none of these shit is ever important irl anyway just move on
just tried to make a discussion thread tho!!! in general discussion! ❤️❤️❤️
Psion [#47]Fut is properly rated, FPX is massively underrated
fut is overrated, FPX is properly rated. hope this helps 👍
Psion [#47]Fut is properly rated, FPX is massively underrated
I disagree, but that's fine. We'll see how good FUT does at this tournament.
cartixuzi [#52]finding this post after 2 hrs is crazy no? dub is a dub xd
I'm standing with sliggy on this one
The_Cleg [#53]I'm standing with sliggy on this one
doesnt mean u had to come back to this thread but alr
cartixuzi [#54]doesnt mean u had to come back to this thread but alr
I didn't come back I just found it now
I ain't a bitch
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