Johan [#7]he never won a international event? KKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
surely we get rid of TSM flair before typing that
ButterflyEffect23 [#8]Cryo is in better form rn
I'd want to see him perform in Shanghai before comparing him with other players
i dont think he's had a bad season.. last year he was decent on his team.. and only guy fighting especially in that game vs mibr which let eg through to the playoffs instead of 100t
hemmy [#3]tenz is system player. cryo can play well in any situation
Cryo didn't do that well last year, he did okay, but no where near his this year or 2022 form
you could say they have similar trajectories with starting off hot early on in their val careers , a middling period where they were shooting but not getting results and a recent resurgence only tenz had higher highs and lower lows.
but to your point about keeping the position with zekken on team, let's be real here zekken did not take the op role from tenz bc he's a better oper but bc tenz is playing agents that shouldnt op often to begin with but he still does occasionally to keep opponents on their feet.
hemmy [#3]tenz is system player. cryo can play well in any situation
A 'system player' (phrase only used by contrarians btw) would only apply to players like JonahP, lakia, Rin and other shitters. How does Tenz compare with them when he has proven to be a strong flex player. Still overrated though ngl.
Rey55 [#14]Bait used to be believable. The retarded points you made gave it away btw
me when i have nothing to add -
kskm [#18]me when i have nothing to add -
made international lan with dephh as igl
kept his place as main awp duelist with zekken on the team
What do you want me to add to this? Zekken was never a Jett player before and he was never signed as one. He only had to learn it when tenz took a break so, why would this be an adv for cryo? Made 1 international LAN with dephh. What are you? 12? TenZ won one with no coach on his team while his IGL was streaming 9 hours a day!
Rey55 [#20]made international lan with dephh as igl
kept his place as main awp duelist with zekken on the teamWhat do you want me to add to this? Zekken was never a Jett player before and he was never signed as one. He only had to learn it when tenz took a break so, why would this be an adv for cryo? Made 1 international LAN with dephh. What are you? 12? TenZ won one with no coach on his team while his IGL was streaming 9 hours a day!
Made 1 international LAN with dephh. What are you? 12?
Can you count?
StalwartTiger_35 [#21]Made 1 international LAN with dephh. What are you? 12?
Can you count?
I can count international trophies though. You keep counting LAN appearance
Rey55 [#22]I can count international trophies though. You keep counting LAN appearance
so you're just gonna dodge the fact that you lied huh?
StalwartTiger_35 [#23]so you're just gonna dodge the fact that you lied huh?
So you are just gonna dodge the main point? How is LAN appearances better than winning the trophy? XSET was competitive and was making regional playoffs with PureR. So, how are you dissing dephh with that? xset system was definitely working with dephh even before they signed cryo!
charleser [#15]A 'system player' (phrase only used by contrarians btw) would only apply to players like JonahP, lakia, Rin and other shitters. How does Tenz compare with them when he has proven to be a strong flex player. Still overrated though ngl.
tenz was dogshit in 2023 when they had a bad system around dephh and sykko. zekken was the only one performing well
Conceit [#12]Cryo didn't do that well last year, he did okay, but no where near his this year or 2022 form
cryo was #11 rated in americas league last year while tenz was all the way at the bottom lmfao
Dayylol [#16]Nah cryo still not as proven as tenz
Let's see tenz has two masters wins
And cryo has zero that's all you need
since when does trophies = skill?
cryo has never played bad in any international or regional tournament. comparing their trophy count means u have no good argument. tenz is just a system player
Conceit [#12]Cryo didn't do that well last year, he did okay, but no where near his this year or 2022 form
cryo rating last year was 1.07 despite his team playing like shit. t0nz had 0.93. cryo clears that fraud so easily
Rey55 [#25]So you are just gonna dodge the main point? How is LAN appearances better than winning the trophy? XSET was competitive and was making regional playoffs with PureR. So, how are you dissing dephh with that? xset system was definitely working with dephh even before they signed cryo!
forsaken has 0 trophies but he clears tenz by a mile. stop being delusional and thinking trophies means skill
Hades_Loves_Rb [#17]tenz trophies: 2
cryo trophies: 0
tenz rosters solo carried: 3
cryo rosters solo carried: 0
boaster trophies: 2
aspas trophies: 1
boaster > aspas. no debate
dort [#30]forsaken has 0 trophies but he clears tenz by a mile. stop being delusional and thinking trophies means skill
https://www.vlr.gg/312781/sentinels-vs-paper-rex-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-lbf
TenZ has a 100% winrate against f0rsaken but I guess f0rsaken is for sure better because dork on vlr. gg said so 🤷🏻
Rey55 [#32]https://www.vlr.gg/312781/sentinels-vs-paper-rex-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-lbf
TenZ has a 100% winrate against f0rsaken but I guess f0rsaken is for sure better because dork on vlr. gg said so 🤷🏻
ur reasoning for tenz being better is bc he has more trophy wins 💀
dort [#29]cryo rating last year was 1.07 despite his team playing like shit. t0nz had 0.93. cryo clears that fraud so easily
Not really the point I was getting at. Both are system players to a certain degree, every player is. He did much better in better systems. But yeah obviously Cryo played better than Tenz last year. Tenz was pretty shite
dort [#33]ur reasoning for tenz being better is bc he has more trophy wins 💀
What's your reasoning then? Because you saw something in your dream? Bc he massively contributed in those trophies. 1 MVP, another second best besides literally his duelist player! You have to be a GPT 2.5 AI not even the GPT 4 ngl
Rey55 [#25]So you are just gonna dodge the main point? How is LAN appearances better than winning the trophy? XSET was competitive and was making regional playoffs with PureR. So, how are you dissing dephh with that? xset system was definitely working with dephh even before they signed cryo!
i get and agree with you primary point, but you can't just sneak in information that isn't true. i literally agree with all of your points, im just pointing out the fact that you called SOMEONE ELSE dumb for something they were actually right about. no need to get all pressed, own your mistakes
Rey55 [#35]What's your reasoning then? Because you saw something in your dream? Bc he massively contributed in those trophies. 1 MVP, another second best besides literally his duelist player! You have to be a GPT 2.5 AI not even the GPT 4 ngl
lmao yea bc winning a tourney in the farmera era 2021 is supposed to be impressive 😂
if ur gonna use trophies as a measurement of skill then i'll use earnings. t0nz has 149k in earnings and forsaken has 218k despite not winning anything. forsaken clears no debate
StalwartTiger_35 [#36]i get and agree with you primary point, but you can't just sneak in information that isn't true. i literally agree with all of your points, im just pointing out the fact that you called SOMEONE ELSE dumb for something they were actually right about. no need to get all pressed, own your mistakes
It wasn't 1, it was 2 i forgot but that literally doesn't change anything. the point still stands
dort [#37]lmao yea bc winning a tourney in the farmera era 2021 is supposed to be impressive 😂
if ur gonna use trophies as a measurement of skill then i'll use earnings. t0nz has 149k in earnings and forsaken has 218k despite not winning anything. forsaken clears no debate
Making it to intl. LAN is literally free for PRX. that's not the same for NA teams. I literally gave you performance argument, not just a participation standpoint. Literally the most impactful player in those wins. stop waffling.
Rey55 [#39]Making it to intl. LAN is literally free for PRX. that's not the same for NA teams. I literally gave you performance argument, not just a participation standpoint. Literally the most impactful player in those wins. stop waffling.
yeah ur delusional kid
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