things to note:
Kasumi12 [#4]Sen isn't bad lol they kind if had a burn out and got lucky on jawgemo and aspas having masterclasss. I mean lev struggled more with sen then with kru. Not to mention they 2-0'd 100T
that was the first 2 weeks, they were still in full form week 1 and not completely burnt out week 2
2bored [#8]i think that beating nrg doesnt put 100t at the 3rd spot even though they did play decent against them
sentinels should be higher, same with loud4th loud
5th sen
6th 100t
100t comfortably beat C9 and has only lost to Madrid sentinels (in form SEN) and KRU
they were already 3rd before beating NRG
Psion [#9]100t comfortably beat C9 and has only lost to Madrid sentinels (in form SEN) and KRU
they were already 3rd before beating NRG
valid point my friend
but theyre still very inconsistent , plus rn americas is a rolercoster and they didnt play loud or eg yet
imo is still early to say but valid point
Psion [#7]that was the first 2 weeks, they were still in full form week 1 and not completely burnt out week 2
I mean it still stands they should probably be top 5 in the least
Cheasle2 [#11]Saadhak cannot carry the worst duelist in VCT
his jett has been bad but his raze is fine, its not even bottom 5 in americas, and saadhak almost beat prime gambit with GTN as his duelist, someone who never touched tier 1 after leaving saadhak, if anyone can do it, it is saadhak
Kasumi12 [#12]I mean it still stands they should probably be top 5 in the least
6th at best, I'd rate every one of his top 5 confidently above SEN(after that its more preference) but 6th isn't outrageous
2bored [#10]valid point my friend
but theyre still very inconsistent , plus rn americas is a rolercoster and they didnt play loud or eg yet
imo is still early to say but valid point
what is the inconsistency this stage? every team that you'd rate worse than them they beat 2-0
2bored [#8]i think that beating nrg doesnt put 100t at the 3rd spot even though they did play decent against them
sentinels should be higher, same with loud4th loud
5th sen
6th 100t
i need ur drugs
Psion [#13]his jett has been bad but his raze is fine, its not even bottom 5 in americas, and saadhak almost beat prime gambit with GTN as his duelist, someone who never touched tier 1 after leaving saadhak, if anyone can do it, it is saadhak
Holy shit that is actually a goated argument, I forgot how ass gtn was 😭😭😭😭😭
Bonkbonk201 [#17]It's important to note that Aspas the goat went from loud and now they aren't even really top 5 contenders meanwhile they used to be top 3 easily
meanwhile, Leviatan was top 10 max before they picked up aspas and now they look top 3, arguably 1st in the league
You gotta think about it like this. Aspas wants to frag, Sadhaak wants to cook new shit, Sacy wants to win.
That's why 2022 LOUD was great and 2023 LOUD started to fall.
2024 LOUD is just paper rex without the insane aim
Bonkbonk201 [#17]It's important to note that Aspas the goat went from loud and now they aren't even really top 5 contenders meanwhile they used to be top 3 easily
meanwhile, Leviatan was top 10 max before they picked up aspas and now they look top 3, arguably 1st in the league
aspas aint even the goat, bro won 1 event and has no mvps to his name
Al-Mawsil [#2]remove gap between sen and nrg and call it small gap, add a HUGE fucking gap between nrg and brazillian shitter teams
Nah SEN is way clear of NRG, even in their current form.
Psion [#6]100T confidently beat C9, there was never a time i thought C9 could win after the first half of map 1, they should be above C9 there's nothing C9's done since week 1 to put them above 100T
Bro is cooking
dort [#23]10-2
Ok and? Have you seen how bad NRG is? SEN is just suffering from burnout, but they're still a good team.
StutterSt3p [#25]Ok and? Have you seen how bad NRG is? SEN is just suffering from burnout, but they're still a good team.
burnout? from what? 😂
Mortadelo [#22]LATAM on top huh, look how the tables have turned. 1 LATAM team is guaranteed at Masters already
Also I think the gap from Kru to C9 is bigger than from Lev to kru
I think Kru was low key the better team against Lev. Team just kinda choked
dort [#27]burnout? from what? 😂
From grinding in the offseason, to playing almost most number of games they could to win Madrid, to having a short break after coming back.
StutterSt3p [#29]From grinding in the offseason, to playing almost most number of games they could to win Madrid, to having a short break after coming back.
uh yeah i dont think "offseason" is a valid argument 💀
and surely 2 weeks is enough time for the prestigious masters madrid winners to beat teams who didnt even qualify for the event? how long do they need? a year?
dort [#31]uh yeah i dont think "offseason" is a valid argument 💀
and surely 2 weeks is enough time for the prestigious masters madrid winners to beat teams who didnt even qualify for the event? how long do they need? a year?
Worry about your team buddy 🤣
dort [#31]uh yeah i dont think "offseason" is a valid argument 💀
and surely 2 weeks is enough time for the prestigious masters madrid winners to beat teams who didnt even qualify for the event? how long do they need? a year?
How is it not? They won Madrid, in part, because of how much time they spent in the offseason practicing and playing. It's a perfectly valid argument.
TheAceGamer30 [#32]Worry about your team buddy 🤣
bro you average 50 posts a day you arent a real person 😭
StutterSt3p [#33]How is it not? They won Madrid, in part, because of how much time they spent in the offseason practicing and playing. It's a perfectly valid argument.
their last offseason match was in december and their first franchising match was in february. 2 month break my guy 😭
dort [#36]their last offseason match was in december and their first franchising match was in february. 2 month break my guy 😭
Wdym break? They were prepping for kickoff, and doing more practice throughout most of that two months I'd imagine.
StutterSt3p [#29]From grinding in the offseason, to playing almost most number of games they could to win Madrid, to having a short break after coming back.
BURNOUT FROM OFFSEASON LMFAO
Yeah bro I'm tired from my break
SquareMars [#38]BURNOUT FROM OFFSEASON LMFAO
Yeah bro I'm tired from my break
Bruh, do people not get that teams still might be practicing in the offseason, especially if you lock your roster early?
cioccolat [#18]Holy shit that is actually a goated argument, I forgot how ass gtn was 😭😭😭😭😭
Hiiii cioccolat
StutterSt3p [#40]Bruh, do people not get that teams still might be practicing in the offseason, especially if you lock your roster early?
dude just say Sentinels is an irresponsible organization
Workload management is studied in these multi-million dollar companies and there's no way they just overwork everybody just because they could.
Sentinels is falling off because the org is giving players too much lee-way and allowing them to not practice after winning. The same exact thing happened last year.
Also
there are ways to practice without over working yourself
SquareMars [#42]dude just say Sentinels is an irresponsible organization
Workload management is studied in these multi-million dollar companies and there's no way they just overwork everybody just because they could.
Sentinels is falling off because the org is giving players too much lee-way and allowing them to not practice after winning. The same exact thing happened last year.
Also
there are ways to practice without over working yourself
You know SEN is not the only team that has and will suffer from burnout? Also, it's more so the longevity than the intensity.
StutterSt3p [#43]You know SEN is not the only team that has and will suffer from burnout? Also, it's more so the longevity than the intensity.
If you genuinely think it's the longevity than the intensity I know ur so fucking privileged that u don't know the definition of hard work.
As an orchestra student myself, I've picked up many different instruments and got really good at them because of the longevity. Did I burn myself out? no, because I made a realistic work schedule.
Also
There's no way anyone is burned out of something that they are so passionate about in only 18 weeks.
SquareMars [#44]If you genuinely think it's the longevity than the intensity I know ur so fucking privileged that u don't know the definition of hard work.
As an orchestra student myself, I've picked up many different instruments and got really good at them because of the longevity. Did I burn myself out? no, because I made a realistic work schedule.
Also
There's no way anyone is burned out of something that they are so passionate about in only 18 weeks.
Obviously, intensity does matter, but doing something at even a somewhat high intensity is going to cause burnout eventually. Also, I didn't ask for an anecdote, and it has no relevance to this discussion whatsoever. It's two completely different things we're talking about.
Legit TenZ said that they might be suffering from small burnout, pls stfu.
StutterSt3p [#46]Obviously, intensity does matter, but doing something at even a somewhat high intensity is going to cause burnout eventually. Also, I didn't ask for an anecdote, and it has no relevance to this discussion whatsoever. It's two completely different things we're talking about.
Legit TenZ said that they might be suffering from small burnout, pls stfu.
If tenz is feeling burnout that is on the team, it is still their fault
If sen didn't manage their workload properly, that is still their fault
Stop making the reasons for their failures their excuses, it is still their fault.
dort [#23]10-2
0-2 100t, 1-2 SEN
And my guy you are not in the Place to talk en cause atleast SEN still has a chance to make playoffs, NRG doesnt even have that 💀💀
Oh and also 2x 0-2 BilliBilli
SquareMars [#48]
If tenz is feeling burnout that is on the team, it is still their fault
If sen didn't manage their workload properly, that is still their fault
Stop making the reasons for their failures their excuses, it is still their fault.
I never said it wasn't their fault though, and yeah it is an excuse. Not all excuses are bad though, sometimes there are valid excuses. Idk why you're so against the idea that SEN's play is partially a result of them being tired, but it's true no matter how you spin it.
It doesn't mean that the losses go away or something, but it's there to explain why they're playing so badly at the moment.
StutterSt3p [#50]I never said it wasn't their fault though, and yeah it is an excuse. Not all excuses are bad though, sometimes there are valid excuses. Idk why you're so against the idea that SEN's play is partially a result of them being tired, but it's true no matter how you spin it.
It doesn't mean that the losses go away or something, but it's there to explain why they're playing so badly at the moment.
this entire argument is about the gap between NRG and SEN
because of the irresponsibility from the org, there is a very small gap.
That's my claim, you can stop changing the story
SquareMars [#51]this entire argument is about the gap between NRG and SEN
because of the irresponsibility from the org, there is a very small gap.
That's my claim, you can stop changing the story
But there was no irresponsibility, and there is a decent gap imo.
StutterSt3p [#54]But there was no irresponsibility, and there is a decent gap imo.
then wtf are you saying by SEN is burntout?
SquareMars [#55]then wtf are you saying by SEN is burntout?
Because they are burnout, but my point is that it's a natural response to the amount they've played recently. Also, that even being burnout they are still a lot better than NRG, mostly because NRG isn't good.
welikefortniteandvalorant [#61]Looks like i have to change it again wtf is going on
Bro is just guessing LMAOOOOOO
0fcuZ [#62]Bro is just guessing LMAOOOOOO
I mean shirley Leviatan and KRÜ are top 2 based off their groups performance right? RIGHT???
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