His post got deleted just cause he said it's unfair that SR are getting paid more than T2 players who are better than them. Ok, he might yapping but he didn't say anything offensive or broke any forum rules. This might be Triggering for SR fans, but it's ok for people to call a team "washed", "overrated " etc. Be it 100T, SEN even SR. we all like to clown on the popular team that's not performing (unless it's offensive) Personally, i think SR played good in 1st OQ on a good day they'd qualified but they did do a lot of trolling. 24/7 glazing doesn't help SR or any team, criticism when needed, praise when needed.
TLDR: . You don't have to agree with me or any1 regarding SR. But deleting posts about SR just for the sake of it is not cool
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who the fuck cares https://www.vlr.gg/user/Hexa_22
Its not like he was banned and plus he doesn't even go on this site that often
ash_knuckles [#2]who tf cars bro
☝️🤓 "Why do you care so much" = "pls dont talk bad about my SR. I glaze them 24/7, everyone should also do the same or else Ban him Mods"
Saiki_taha [#12]☝️🤓 "Why do you care so much" = "pls dont talk bad about my SR. I glaze them 24/7, everyone should also do the same or else Ban him Mods"
“Everyone isn’t agreeing with me? Better use the nerd emoji”
Saiki_taha [#13]☝️🤓 "Why do you care so much" = "pls dont talk bad about my SR. I glaze them 24/7, everyone should also do the same or else Ban him Mods"
u can shitttalk SR if you want lol literally everyone does that when they lose. don't tell me you think any argument Hexa_22 is making is........original?
the problem here is why i would care about a random acc getting banned
Saiki_taha [#12]☝️🤓 "Why do you care so much" = "pls dont talk bad about my SR. I glaze them 24/7, everyone should also do the same or else Ban him Mods"
It's a nothing point, that's why nobody fucking cares
Also weird strawman dude
kfan4238173 [#5]the gc championship brought more viewers than tier 2 NA did, idk about the ascension games tho
its not unfair that a worse team is paid more if people want to watch them more
this is a child with barely rudimentary understanding of the english language much less basic economics
you're wasting your time i fear
kfan4238173 [#5]the gc championship brought more viewers than tier 2 NA did, idk about the ascension games tho
its not unfair that a worse team is paid more if people want to watch them more
Fair point. Though, this highlights an issue with tier 2 Valorant, as it's meant to be a pathway to tier 1. If tier 2 players aren't earning much, it becomes a problem. In GC, those teams are unlikely to make it to tier 1 in the near future, so the money invested in GC stays there. However, with tier 2, if the players are paid all decent salaries the money can also be an investment into the health of the Valorant ecosystem and into tier 1.
Saiki_taha [#13]☝️🤓 "Why do you care so much" = "pls dont talk bad about my SR. I glaze them 24/7, everyone should also do the same or else Ban him Mods"
FUCK i hate not ignoring these dumbass gc threads anytime i use this site
i swr you idiots are all the same exact person
ash_knuckles [#17]u can shitttalk SR if you want lol literally everyone does that when they lose. don't tell me you think any argument Hexa_22 is making is........original?
the problem here is why i would care about a random acc getting banned
- Unfair deletion of post if didn't violate rules is not ok 2. If you don't care , why comment bro. 3. You're a NPC congrats
ash_knuckles [#23]FUCK i hate not ignoring these dumbass gc threads anytime i use this site
i swr you idiots are all the same exact person
Textook definition of Narcissistic person
Saiki_taha [#27]
- Unfair deletion of post if didn't violate rules is not ok 2. If you don't care , why comment bro. 3. You're a NPC congrats
bro idk why mods ban people, they're on shit. people get banned/timed out for literally nothing.
like why are you crying so much about a random acc? are you new here? pls for the love of GOD lurk moar
There is no need to be transphobic and attacking flor in particular. The entire team is just not up to the level of t2/t3. I totally agree that salaries should be merit based and not quota based, they should not be paid more than the teams they lose to. Please acquire the ability to conduct a civil conversation without personal attacks or insults.
Takumi [#31]the argument of salaries being based on merit is hilarious to me because nobody's salary is based purely on how good they are and if you think that you're willfully ignorant of how this industry works
People forget esports is about entertainment at the end of the day not who is better.
It is well hidden because usually the best players win out but people forget that the money that moves all of this is based more on socials metrics than anything based in competition.
This is why organizations consistently pass over young talent who don't have any clout or socials presence for older talent that has built a brand of some sort, it is all about investors and trying to stay afloat for them, they could give less of a fuck who is good compared to who is moving the needle for their brand. SR moves the needle for their brand and that's why they get paid, they are the most popular and well-known gc team hands down. There could be 1000 players equal or better to them and it wouldn't matter because their socials presence clears pretty much anyone who isn't t1 or high t2 anyway
ash_knuckles [#29]bro idk why mods ban people, they're on shit. people get banned/timed out for literally nothing.
like why are you crying so much about a random acc? are you new here? pls for the love of GOD lurk moar
Atleast you got my point.
EseemedRes1180 [#32]The problem is whenever there's a game changers thread theres always some amount of hatred spewed on these thread. Think about it from the mods perspective they are trying to create a safe space for the entire community and hence they gave to delete these threads before things go too far
Fair
Zerphyr1 [#21]Fair point. Though, this highlights an issue with tier 2 Valorant, as it's meant to be a pathway to tier 1. If tier 2 players aren't earning much, it becomes a problem. In GC, those teams are unlikely to make it to tier 1 in the near future, so the money invested in GC stays there. However, with tier 2, if the players are paid all decent salaries the money can also be an investment into the health of the Valorant ecosystem and into tier 1.
What people don't understand is that riot is and has never been motivated by what is absolutely best for their esports scenes from a competitive perspective (Anyone who's followed league of legends for the last decade should know this). They're a large company with many priorities with the top of their hierarchy of priorities being $$$. They may(and always do) claim otherwise but this is the truth. I'm not gonna pretend to know exactly how riot is thinking at all times(no one can) but they've chosen to invest more in GC because they believe it will ultimately benefit them more as a company.
I don't even have to think very hard to see why they believe this to be true:
- Call it cynical thinking if you want, but the reality is that the health of the T2 ecosystem does not matter from a $$$ perspective. As long as the game remains popular enough, prospective talent will continue to enter and compete in the T2 scene with aspirations of one day reaching VCT
- The vast majority of fans can not differentiate in the levels of play/performance as the highest levels of play are approached(this is true in all esports) so even if the level of pro play declines, it will have almost 0 impact on viewership and not affect the game's popularity.
- Running and funding the GC circuit, the largest and best funded women's scene in all of esports, buys riot goodwill from the valorant audience and the wider gaming audience. This might not seem important but it is, it's the same logic/reasoning the rich use when engaging in/advertising their philanthropic endeavors. It's never completely selfless, that goodwill ultimately leads to a return on investment in other ways and eventually more $$$
- Bragging rights. Sounds dumb right? But that's the reality. In the last 10 years+ riot have shown that they want to be unique. They like being trend setters at the forefront when it comes to esports and that's exactly what a well run/funded global women/marginalized gender's circuit is in esports, which is extremely male dominated.
- Your definition of a healthy valorant eco-system may simply not align with their definition. They may just value eventually having women competing in the T1 scene to be the most healthy state of affairs and see prioritizing that as more important than T2.
It's probably mostly reasons 1-4. I'm sure there also plenty of individuals who feel 5 is true as well but with riot being riot, proud and profit oriented, those other points are probably the prevalent reasons as to why things are the way they are. Ultimately, companies and orgs will invest where they want to invest and there is no changing that.
Selex [#36]What people don't understand is that riot is and has never been motivated by what is absolutely best for their esports scenes from a competitive perspective (Anyone who's followed league of legends for the last decade should know this). They're a large company with many priorities with the top of their hierarchy of priorities being $$$. They may(and always do) claim otherwise but this is the truth. I'm not gonna pretend to know exactly how riot is thinking at all times(no one can) but they've chosen to invest more in GC because they believe it will ultimately benefit them more as a company.
I don't even have to think very hard to see why they believe this to be true:
- Call it cynical thinking if you want, but the reality is that the health of the T2 ecosystem does not matter from a $$$ perspective. As long as the game remains popular enough, prospective talent will continue to enter and compete in the T2 scene with aspirations of one day reaching VCT
- The vast majority of fans can not differentiate in the levels of play/performance as the highest levels of play are approached(this is true in all esports) so even if the level of pro play declines, it will have almost 0 impact on viewership and not affect the game's popularity.
- Running and funding the GC circuit, the largest and best funded women's scene in all of esports, buys riot goodwill from the valorant audience and the wider gaming audience. This might not seem important but it is, it's the same logic/reasoning the rich use when engaging in/advertising their philanthropic endeavors. It's never completely selfless, that goodwill ultimately leads to a return on investment in other ways and eventually more $$$
- Bragging rights. Sounds dumb right? But that's the reality. In the last 10 years+ riot have shown that they want to be unique. They like being trend setters at the forefront when it comes to esports and that's exactly what a well run/funded global women/marginalized gender's circuit is in esports, which is extremely male dominated.
- Your definition of a healthy valorant eco-system may simply not align with their definition. They may just value eventually having women competing in the T1 scene to be the most healthy state of affairs and see prioritizing that as more important than T2.
It's probably mostly reasons 1-4. I'm sure there also plenty of individuals who feel 5 is true as well but with riot being riot, proud and profit oriented, those other points are probably the prevalent reasons as to why things are the way they are. Ultimately, companies and orgs will invest where they want to invest and there is no changing that.
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Selex [#36]What people don't understand is that riot is and has never been motivated by what is absolutely best for their esports scenes from a competitive perspective (Anyone who's followed league of legends for the last decade should know this). They're a large company with many priorities with the top of their hierarchy of priorities being $$$. They may(and always do) claim otherwise but this is the truth. I'm not gonna pretend to know exactly how riot is thinking at all times(no one can) but they've chosen to invest more in GC because they believe it will ultimately benefit them more as a company.
I don't even have to think very hard to see why they believe this to be true:
- Call it cynical thinking if you want, but the reality is that the health of the T2 ecosystem does not matter from a $$$ perspective. As long as the game remains popular enough, prospective talent will continue to enter and compete in the T2 scene with aspirations of one day reaching VCT
- The vast majority of fans can not differentiate in the levels of play/performance as the highest levels of play are approached(this is true in all esports) so even if the level of pro play declines, it will have almost 0 impact on viewership and not affect the game's popularity.
- Running and funding the GC circuit, the largest and best funded women's scene in all of esports, buys riot goodwill from the valorant audience and the wider gaming audience. This might not seem important but it is, it's the same logic/reasoning the rich use when engaging in/advertising their philanthropic endeavors. It's never completely selfless, that goodwill ultimately leads to a return on investment in other ways and eventually more $$$
- Bragging rights. Sounds dumb right? But that's the reality. In the last 10 years+ riot have shown that they want to be unique. They like being trend setters at the forefront when it comes to esports and that's exactly what a well run/funded global women/marginalized gender's circuit is in esports, which is extremely male dominated.
- Your definition of a healthy valorant eco-system may simply not align with their definition. They may just value eventually having women competing in the T1 scene to be the most healthy state of affairs and see prioritizing that as more important than T2.
It's probably mostly reasons 1-4. I'm sure there also plenty of individuals who feel 5 is true as well but with riot being riot, proud and profit oriented, those other points are probably the prevalent reasons as to why things are the way they are. Ultimately, companies and orgs will invest where they want to invest and there is no changing that.
Honestly true GC generates more t2 so investment is good but the talent in GC should be moved to t2/t3 after few years we can't have same talent who don't have potential to reach t2 stay in GC that was my point in Hexa22 post if you want female scene to get better washed pros must give a way to the young
Selex [#36]What people don't understand is that riot is and has never been motivated by what is absolutely best for their esports scenes from a competitive perspective (Anyone who's followed league of legends for the last decade should know this). They're a large company with many priorities with the top of their hierarchy of priorities being $$$. They may(and always do) claim otherwise but this is the truth. I'm not gonna pretend to know exactly how riot is thinking at all times(no one can) but they've chosen to invest more in GC because they believe it will ultimately benefit them more as a company.
I don't even have to think very hard to see why they believe this to be true:
- Call it cynical thinking if you want, but the reality is that the health of the T2 ecosystem does not matter from a $$$ perspective. As long as the game remains popular enough, prospective talent will continue to enter and compete in the T2 scene with aspirations of one day reaching VCT
- The vast majority of fans can not differentiate in the levels of play/performance as the highest levels of play are approached(this is true in all esports) so even if the level of pro play declines, it will have almost 0 impact on viewership and not affect the game's popularity.
- Running and funding the GC circuit, the largest and best funded women's scene in all of esports, buys riot goodwill from the valorant audience and the wider gaming audience. This might not seem important but it is, it's the same logic/reasoning the rich use when engaging in/advertising their philanthropic endeavors. It's never completely selfless, that goodwill ultimately leads to a return on investment in other ways and eventually more $$$
- Bragging rights. Sounds dumb right? But that's the reality. In the last 10 years+ riot have shown that they want to be unique. They like being trend setters at the forefront when it comes to esports and that's exactly what a well run/funded global women/marginalized gender's circuit is in esports, which is extremely male dominated.
- Your definition of a healthy valorant eco-system may simply not align with their definition. They may just value eventually having women competing in the T1 scene to be the most healthy state of affairs and see prioritizing that as more important than T2.
It's probably mostly reasons 1-4. I'm sure there also plenty of individuals who feel 5 is true as well but with riot being riot, proud and profit oriented, those other points are probably the prevalent reasons as to why things are the way they are. Ultimately, companies and orgs will invest where they want to invest and there is no changing that.
Point 3 also ties in with anohter aspect. Women are an extremely small portion of the general tac shooter playerbase. For example This study from 2016 puts them at 4%, although I'm sure we are sitting at higher numbers in 2024. Valorant has somehow managed to tap into the female market a lot more (e.g. this article says 35% of Valorant players are women). Valorant does appeal to a more casual audience a lot more and I would wager that the average woman in Valorant is probably approaching the game from a more casual standpoint than the average man (e.g. the first link above also shows that women generally tend to play games that are less competitive, like simulation games, whereas men tend to prefer genres with more competition). I'd also wager that casual players spend less money on the game.
A successful women's esports scene, no matter how they compare to the open circuits, can help the game to market itself to a demographic that was previously completely inaccessible, which makes up half the population. Let's take the 65-35 split mentioned above. If Valorant has a steady male playerbase and just increases the number of women playing the game to equal the number of men playing the game, this would be a 30% increase in players. Also, again this is just speculation on my end, but I'm sure Riot has numbers on this internally, I'd wager that esports watchers are probably more likely to be less casual and potentially buy more skins, which is the highest priority for Riot as it's the main source of income related to Valorant.
In terms of competitive shooters, getting women to play your game would be huge, and I feel like Valorant in its early days, like no other comp shooter, managed to actually do that, so of course they are investing heavily to expand on that market. Just a handful of female pros in the open circuit would be huge.
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