gotta be the most connected mf in the scene no?
is this some type a++ nepotism or just dumb fucking luck
even stats guy agrees:
https://twitter.com/willminder/status/1730803262624878708
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destroylonely [#2]vibes merchant
crazy how far vibes can take you honestly
bro would for sure be the personality hire at work
"heart of the team" and allat
ash_knuckles [#3]crazy how far vibes can take you honestly
bro would for sure be the personality hire at work
"heart of the team" and allat
true, unlike t0nz
NoOne_ButMe [#9]Good team player + hypes everyone up + likable personality + better than t0nz
does everyone just hate tenz now or
FrogGrenade [#17]Everyone on this website is literally in denial that maybe zellsis makes the team better than pancada
not by much. pancada is a much better player
ash_knuckles [#18]not by much. pancada is a much better player
worse english -> less hype, less ideas, less comms. with the personalities on the team, it's important they have a hype man in there, even if he's not a top3 controller. unfortunate for pancada but i understand the reasoning
1cameh [#19]worse english -> less hype, less ideas, less comms. with the personalities on the team, it's important they have a hype man in there, even if he's not a top3 controller. unfortunate for pancada but i understand the reasoning
w take. people just thinks better aim makes better team. 😂
1cameh [#19]worse english -> less hype, less ideas, less comms. with the personalities on the team, it's important they have a hype man in there, even if he's not a top3 controller. unfortunate for pancada but i understand the reasoning
anyone can "generate hype". Hired for being the hype man is not a real job description
zekken & sacy alrdy have good chem, and tbh you don't really need that much hype. a light joke to ease the tension here and there, some table banging and light screaming are enough.
less ideas, less comms
all just skill issue, can be worked on. we all knew these problems existed before bringing them on, no point rehashing that to sideline them
ash_knuckles [#24]anyone can "generate hype". Hired for being the hype man is not a real job description
zekken & sacy alrdy have good chem, and tbh you don't really need that much hype. a light joke to ease the tension here and there, some table banging and light screaming are enough.less ideas, less comms
all just skill issue, can be worked on. we all knew these problems existed before bringing them on, no point rehashing that to sideline them
have you ever actually played in a team setting? not everyone can generate hype, and it is actually quite crucial. 5 introverts who don't get excited during a sick clutch are less likely to drag each other out of a mental rut as opposed to 3 intro 2 extro, comparable to someone who doesn't speak English as a native language who is less likely to drag teammates out of that rut
'skill issue'- that'll take many many months. you can't change a personality, and until panc is fluent in English, the problem will exist
p.s. stop downfragging anyone who disagrees with you, it just shows that you're more concerned with being right than having an actual discussion
1cameh [#25]have you ever actually played in a team setting? not everyone can generate hype, and it is actually quite crucial. 5 introverts who don't get excited during a sick clutch are less likely to drag each other out of a mental rut as opposed to 3 intro 2 extro, comparable to someone who doesn't speak English as a native language who is less likely to drag teammates out of that rut
'skill issue'- that'll take many many months. you can't change a personality, and until panc is fluent in English, the problem will exist
p.s. stop downfragging anyone who disagrees with you, it just shows that you're more concerned with being right than having an actual discussion
p.s. stop downfragging anyone who disagrees with you, it just shows that you're more concerned with being right than having an actual discussion
where did i do that?
zellsis isn't needed because zekken & sacy don't shut down under pressure. If you watch their videos, you'll see that. Not every team needs over-the-top screeching to get their heads back in the game. zekken is a collected individual, and his camaraderie with sacy is enough to rally the team together if they need it.
sussybaka [#5]true, unlike t0nz
T0nZ is the “clout” of the team. That’s what will keep him on SEN, but not on other teams that don’t need clout.
UBClears [#29]Firstly it’s not like Zellsis is bad or overrated. He’s an extremely flexible player that is good in every role he plays. He also helps IGL at times. That versatility is very difficult to find.
His hype and energy makes him a no brainer.
pfft. swap is still unjustified. until further notice, pancada clears. SEN don't need a flex, they have one of the most versatile teams in the world. they need a controller.
LouBag [#26]This delusion that pancada is better than zellsis because pancada was good a year ago…. Needs to stop.
When was zellsis ever good?
cristiadu [#31]choosing him over pancada is crazy for me, and tbh I don't know I can support a team that keeps doing shit like this lol, specially when they're trying to build a brazilian audience
ppl who support the decision are either forgetting that SEN will continue making swaps like this until they see instant success like they've done for a long while now or they simply dont care.
If SEN leave the Afreeca tourney early, Pancada is starting for the next tourney.
If SEN leave the next tourney early, Zellsis is starting for the next next one.
The fact that they still do this even to a World Champion is funny, this is failure 101.
ionlyHave1Zuni [#32]When was zellsis ever good?
The year that pancada shit the bed because he couldn’t figure out how to play KJ 😂
https://www.vlr.gg/183803/cloud9-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w5
cartixuzi [#34]ppl who support the decision are either forgetting that SEN will continue making swaps like this until they see instant success like they've done for a long while now or they simply dont care.
If SEN leave the Afreeca tourney early, Pancada is starting for the next tourney.
If SEN leave the next tourney early, Zellsis is starting for the next next one.
The fact that they still do this even to a World Champion is funny, this is failure 101.
honestly I wouldn't doubt this will happen and their season will be shit all over again
Kainen [#33]I don't think zellsis playing is a problem, the problem is benching pANcada. I think the team will work much better with both pANcada & zellsis playing instead of tenz, but sentinels prefers to have tenz playing because of his hype
tenz is a really good player believe it or not. although i will agree that he and zellsis are probably the most interchangeable
cristiadu [#36]honestly I wouldn't doubt this will happen and their season will be shit all over again
it's to be expected my guy and I'm being fr. The org lives and dies through Valorant, like it's understandable to see them being so desperate for success but a mentality like this isn't gonna do shit. At this rate, if SEN end 2024 on a bad note, the entire roster besides TenZ is 95% gone (Zekken is the 5%).
ash_knuckles [#37]tenz is a really good player believe it or not. although i will agree that he and zellsis are probably the most interchangeable
I don't think tenz is bad, but from what we seen this year, zellsis performed much better than tenz as a flex.
ash_knuckles [#27]p.s. stop downfragging anyone who disagrees with you, it just shows that you're more concerned with being right than having an actual discussion
where did i do that?
zellsis isn't needed because zekken & sacy don't shut down under pressure. If you watch their videos, you'll see that. Not every team needs over-the-top screeching to get their heads back in the game. zekken is a collected individual, and his camaraderie with sacy is enough to rally the team together if they need it.
none of us are in this team so none of us would know if Zekken and sacy are enough. I just hope they make the right decision, I don’t really care what the decision is
destroylonely [#2]vibes merchant
tenz and zekken are mentally weak (genuinely being honest here, they'll always doubt themselves and their ability at every chance they get) and Zellsis is all about vibes n shit, so i wouldnt be shocked if he won them over besides Sacy. A very real vibes merchant lol.
UBClears [#43]This is why you have content creators as the 6th man. If you get a legit starter like Zellsis, the main team will always be watching their backs
yea content creators like tenz need to be on the bench
cartixuzi [#42]tenz and zekken are mentally weak (genuinely being honest here, they'll always doubt themselves and their ability at every chance they get) and Zellsis is all about vibes n shit, so i wouldnt be shocked if he won them over besides Sacy. A very real vibes merchant lol.
i know what you’re trying to say but there’s definitely better ways of saying it than just mentally weak
Kevn [#45]i know what you’re trying to say but there’s definitely better ways of saying it than just mentally weak
i mean there's other stuff too and I wouldn't even say they're just insecure, I honest to god never seen TenZ ever gloat himself and Zekken's always on a doomfest whenever he's met with the question of reaching his expectations (he's also only 18). You can still be humble but these guys will off the bat say that they suck given the chance lol.
ash_knuckles [#27]p.s. stop downfragging anyone who disagrees with you, it just shows that you're more concerned with being right than having an actual discussion
where did i do that?
zellsis isn't needed because zekken & sacy don't shut down under pressure. If you watch their videos, you'll see that. Not every team needs over-the-top screeching to get their heads back in the game. zekken is a collected individual, and his camaraderie with sacy is enough to rally the team together if they need it.
Sure but maybe Zellsis's comms and ideas make the team function much better. An IGL can only do so much you still need other players who come up with ideas and take initiative. SEN all of last year was extremely passive and not proactive on defense.
LouBag [#35]The year that pancada shit the bed because he couldn’t figure out how to play KJ 😂
https://www.vlr.gg/183803/cloud9-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w5
What an amazing match. I wonder what zellsis performance on international events looks like
Kainen [#39]I don't think tenz is bad, but from what we seen this year, zellsis performed much better than tenz as a flex.
Atm Zellsis is 100% the better flex player but I think individually tenz has much more potential and a higher ceiling(Gap is also not massive). Considering how much better he looked from the first game compared to the last on the breach, he deserves time. In the same sense Pancada also probably deserves time to at least prove himself with the roster but if the coaching staff truly believes Zellsis and Tenz has the highest ceiling of any 2 combination of those 3 guys I get the move. It's unjustified if they do the fucking musical chairs with those 3, which is a possibility for sure but to say they're gonna do the same thing as last year is unjustified considering the circumstances under which they made swaps last year.
Tenzsexual [#48]Sure but maybe Zellsis's comms and ideas make the team function much better. An IGL can only do so much you still need other players who come up with ideas and take initiative. SEN all of last year was extremely passive and not proactive on defense.
that's dephh's doing, and he's gone now (we won't count all the temp igls after him). johncutie has that shit on lock
ash_knuckles [#51]that's dephh's doing, and he's gone now (we won't count all the temp igls after him). johncutie has that shit on lock
Even the best IGL (imo) FNS has exremely vocal players who are proactive. Having 4 players who dont take initiative just because you get a worldclass IGL isn't going to fix it. I can't speak for every team obviously but at least from what I know there's atleast 1 if not more voices other than the igl on most top teams. It's not the IGL always micromanaging telling the players to push or take space or collect info lol.
Tenzsexual [#52]Even the best IGL (imo) FNS has exremely vocal players who are proactive. Having 4 players who dont take initiative just because you get a worldclass IGL isn't going to fix it. I can't speak for every team obviously but at least from what I know there's atleast 1 if not more voices other than the igl on most top teams. It's not the IGL always micromanaging telling the players to push or take space or collect info lol.
there's diff ways taking initiative take form tbh. nrg had crashies and victor calling rotates based on info they got, not directly calling strats. zekken & sacy can easily fill this role
Nothing you've said justfiies the pancada <-> zellsis swap. It just isn't needed. Calling him on for "secondary igling" or (which he hasn't done any of so far) in a team with completely new dynamics and not as a solution to an already failing team, benching your dedicated controller as a result is a bad decision, unjustifiable.
h1gh_fall [#55]bro didn't need to be the vibes guy to win a champions though
bro didn't need to be the mute guy to lose to tier 2 teama though
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